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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:11:56 GMT
He was shocking. If our professional manager can't work out that Clarke can't hold his position and can't put the correct weight on a pass of more than 2 yards, then he should find a job that he can actually do. Both goals were midfield calamities. And the other four in midfield? It's central midfield that teams walk straight through us, you know, where Ollie Clarke plays. Odd that it wasn't happening when he wasn't playing, don't you think?
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 22, 2019 21:15:53 GMT
And the other four in midfield? It's central midfield that teams walk straight through us, you know, where Ollie Clarke plays. Odd that it wasn't happening when he wasn't playing, don't you think? How very dare you sir! He's a local lad. We must not criticise him. Ever. (I didn't bother to watch on iPlayer because I saw the goal-machine and Clarke were playing. Good choice by the sounds of things).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 21:20:06 GMT
It's central midfield that teams walk straight through us, you know, where Ollie Clarke plays. Odd that it wasn't happening when he wasn't playing, don't you think? How very dare you sir! He's a local lad. We must not criticise him. Ever. (I didn't bother to watch on iPlayer because I saw the goal-machine and Clarke were playing. Good choice by the sounds of things). You did yourself a favour. Can't say I approve of booing your own team, but our supporters did, there was also a chant of 'We want our money back'. I think it was a fair request. Biggest cheer of the night was as Nichols left the pitch.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 22, 2019 21:53:12 GMT
How very dare you sir! He's a local lad. We must not criticise him. Ever. (I didn't bother to watch on iPlayer because I saw the goal-machine and Clarke were playing. Good choice by the sounds of things). You did yourself a favour. Can't say I approve of booing your own team, but our supporters did, there was also a chant of 'We want our money back'. I think it was a fair request. Biggest cheer of the night was as Nichols left the pitch. I'm surprised anyone noticed. We must have fixed the PA. Finally.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 22:12:39 GMT
You did yourself a favour. Can't say I approve of booing your own team, but our supporters did, there was also a chant of 'We want our money back'. I think it was a fair request. Biggest cheer of the night was as Nichols left the pitch. I'm surprised anyone noticed. We must have fixed the PA. Finally. He was moving, I think that's what caught people's attention. Loud music the instant the half and full time whistles went, but it couldn't drown out the booing. The thing is, if players are genuinely doing their best then I think we all understand that sometimes things just don't work, but tonight was pathetic and there obviously wasn't a plan. Here's an example of what I mean. 61 minutes, we get a free kick on the left wing, both of our central defenders go up, we play the ball square, then slowly it finds it's way wide to the right wing, where we fail to get a cross in and give away a goal kick. Geez, if the central defenders have come up at least give them an opportunity to do something! BBC have given us 3 shots on target, I only remember 1, that's against a team who had 2 players who are nowhere near fit enough to be playing at this level, they were big fat lumps, so what did we do, try to run the legs off of them? Of course not, we just lumped high balls at them all night and put small players up against them. It was painful to watch.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 23, 2019 6:13:44 GMT
Bristol Rovers total league games played: 14. Total points 21. Average 1.5 pts/game. Total league games Ollie Clarke played: 11. Total points 12. Average 1.09 pts/game. Total league games played without Ollie Clarke: 3. Total points 9. Average 3 pts/game.
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Post by simonj on Oct 23, 2019 7:10:28 GMT
Ive a good idea, lets make it all about one player. A guy that has the club in his heart. Sure his form isn't great, but frankly, keeper and Victor apart that was a shamble of s**te. Again the manager has proved he has not got a clue, he has stumbled on a formation that has gotten us some results and into a false position, but he is clueless to change the game. How he didn't change things by HT I don't know. Pathetic the lot of em yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 7:30:03 GMT
Ive a good idea, lets make it all about one player. A guy that has the club in his heart. Sure his form isn't great, but frankly, keeper and Victor apart that was a shamble of s***e. Again the manager has proved he has not got a clue, he has stumbled on a formation that has gotten us some results and into a false position, but he is clueless to change the game. How he didn't change things by HT I don't know. Pathetic the lot of em yesterday. Here we go again aanotherscapegoat for the fans?.not long ago it was Harrison then lockyer.then lines now clarke anyone see the connection? The main problem we have is there is no creative midfielder In the club.any manager worth his salt would have prioritised replacing lines with a similar type of player but at rovers that sort of thing doesn't happen. What is happening now is the same as what happened under ian atkins He masterminded the great escape but couldn't move on to a plan b.the same is happening again and the tactics have been sussed out by other clubs.unless things change then last weeks league position will be just a distant memory
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 23, 2019 8:53:09 GMT
Not saying Clarke played well but he got 3 shots away first half.
But the fever is best summed up when someone who had berated Clarke from about 10th minute said great pass. Someone else shouted cant be it was Ollie Clarke. Silence ensued.
It just seems he is now a target as you say.
Ogogo can run around, miss tackles, misplace passes, hide from receiving passes etc. But he runs around and is a bit of a nuisance he gets praise.
Think the biggest problem is the manager as you point out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 9:22:23 GMT
Not saying Clarke played well but he got 3 shots away first half. But the fever is best summed up when someone who had berated Clarke from about 10th minute said great pass. Someone else shouted cant be it was Ollie Clarke. Silence ensued. It just seems he is now a target as you say. Ogogo can run around, miss tackles, misplace passes, hide from receiving passes etc. But he runs around and is a bit of a nuisance he gets praise. Think the biggest problem is the manager as you point out. I think a lot of people should stop following the ball and watch what certain players are or aren't doing.if they did that they would realise their 2 favourite midfielders are tactically inept positional then have to charge around to make up for this just like Sinclair used to do The only problem is that this sort of play enders them to the crowd but unfortunately opposition managers are more proficient and know how to exploit these shortcomings. What did surprise me in his match report was no call for craig to be captain which crops up nearly every time.last year it was lockyer now itsclarke
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 9:50:11 GMT
Not saying Clarke played well but he got 3 shots away first half. But the fever is best summed up when someone who had berated Clarke from about 10th minute said great pass. Someone else shouted cant be it was Ollie Clarke. Silence ensued. It just seems he is now a target as you say. Ogogo can run around, miss tackles, misplace passes, hide from receiving passes etc. But he runs around and is a bit of a nuisance he gets praise. Think the biggest problem is the manager as you point out. I think a lot of people should stop following the ball and watch what certain players are or aren't doing.if they did that they would realise their 2 favourite midfielders are tactically inept positional then have to charge around to make up for this just like Sinclair used to do The only problem is that this sort of play enders them to the crowd but unfortunately opposition managers are more proficient and know how to exploit these shortcomings. What did surprise me in his match report was no call for craig to be captain which crops up nearly every time.last year it was lockyer now itsclarke Not everybody had a downer on Lockyer. His distribution was poor, but the rest of his game was solid. He also had great body shape when the ball was coming to him, very difficult to read if he was going to control the ball or allow it to run across him, you don't see that much in L2 and L1. Now that he's playing at a higher level he's starting for his country. Ref the comment about watching the ball, it's a fair point, but I'm not sure if you are making it to criticise or defend Ollie? With the ball he's rubbish, the main problem is that he can't get the weight right on passes, but this has been a problem with him for years, if he hasn't sorted it by now I don't think he's ever going to, without the ball, he's in the right place maybe 80% of the time, that's not good enough in professional football.
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 23, 2019 10:41:38 GMT
But we have to remember and constantly are reminded by GC they are "a great bunch of lads"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 17:53:01 GMT
I think a lot of people should stop following the ball and watch what certain players are or aren't doing.if they did that they would realise their 2 favourite midfielders are tactically inept positional then have to charge around to make up for this just like Sinclair used to do The only problem is that this sort of play enders them to the crowd but unfortunately opposition managers are more proficient and know how to exploit these shortcomings. What did surprise me in his match report was no call for craig to be captain which crops up nearly every time.last year it was lockyer now itsclarke Not everybody had a downer on Lockyer. His distribution was poor, but the rest of his game was solid. He also had great body shape when the ball was coming to him, very difficult to read if he was going to control the ball or allow it to run across him, you don't see that much in L2 and L1. Now that he's playing at a higher level he's starting for his country. Ref the comment about watching the ball, it's a fair point, but I'm not sure if you are making it to criticise or defend Ollie? With the ball he's rubbish, the main problem is that he can't get the weight right on passes, but this has been a problem with him for years, if he hasn't sorted it by now I don't think he's ever going to, without the ball, he's in the right place maybe 80% of the time, that's not good enough in professional football. I was referring to the one who gives his opinions in every game.for example most games he criticized lockyer and at times stated he was not good enough for regular starts in league 1 whereas both this and last season he has championed the case for craig being captain and hiw good a player he is compared to recent captains.but you only have to look at where lockyer is playing.top half the championship and where craig is playing a lower to mid table division3 team.credibility does not stack up.as for ocs passing ability that is and never has been his strength he is the worker to play alongside a creative player such as lines.the fact that the manager chose to go with workers and not someone who can create something is not his fault as is being asked to fulfil that problem position.as for the captaincy situation in sports like rugby and cricket it matters in football it's not I.portant.every player has to be responsible for what they do and be prepared to urge others who are not going their job.basically all the captain dies is call heads or tails at the start of the game and until the authorities decree that surrounding the ref at the drop op a hat is outlawed that situation will remain
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2019 10:14:31 GMT
Ive a good idea, lets make it all about one player. A guy that has the club in his heart. Sure his form isn't great, but frankly, keeper and Victor apart that was a shamble of s***e. Again the manager has proved he has not got a clue, he has stumbled on a formation that has gotten us some results and into a false position, but he is clueless to change the game. How he didn't change things by HT I don't know. Pathetic the lot of em yesterday. Here we go again aanotherscapegoat for the fans?.not long ago it was Harrison then lockyer.then lines now clarke anyone see the connection? The main problem we have is there is no creative midfielder In the club.any manager worth his salt would have prioritised replacing lines with a similar type of player but at rovers that sort of thing doesn't happen. What is happening now is the same as what happened under ian atkins He masterminded the great escape but couldn't move on to a plan b.the same is happening again and the tactics have been sussed out by other clubs.unless things change then last weeks league position will be just a distant memory Absolutely nailed it padstow. I now feel a little embarrassed after reading that. Thank you for giving some perspective. what do we do about it though ? I certainly don’t have the nous or experience to offer an opinion on how to best fix this team and tactics but, the sad part, is that it seems neither does our manager. We have been lucky to have JCH bail us out but we have been well and truly sussed out. What would you do please ?
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Post by Smithy Gas on Oct 24, 2019 12:44:06 GMT
Here we go again aanotherscapegoat for the fans?.not long ago it was Harrison then lockyer.then lines now clarke anyone see the connection? The main problem we have is there is no creative midfielder In the club.any manager worth his salt would have prioritised replacing lines with a similar type of player but at rovers that sort of thing doesn't happen. What is happening now is the same as what happened under ian atkins He masterminded the great escape but couldn't move on to a plan b.the same is happening again and the tactics have been sussed out by other clubs.unless things change then last weeks league position will be just a distant memory Absolutely nailed it padstow . I now feel a little embarrassed after reading that. Thank you for giving some perspective. what do we do about it though ? I certainly don’t have the nous or experience to offer an opinion on how to best fix this team and tactics but, the sad part, is that it seems neither does our manager. We have been lucky to have JCH bail us out but we have been well and truly sussed out. What would you do please ? Without oversimplifying it down to my footballing pedigree, I think it isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be - Tuesday aside as that was clearly dog plop. We play 352 and within that formation some of our most important players are, or have been, injured for a lot of the season and yet we are still top half. I think: If we get THD at LWB and Little or Hare back in at RWB it would make one hell of a difference rather than filling in as we do currently; We clearly need a creative player in centre midfield and played a whole lot better when Sercombe was fit. Without him the midfield doesn't work as a unit. And; Tell me which team has ever played better without their talismanic striker?! Some of those problems are unfortunate (injury), others through bad planning (not enough cover in attacking/creative positions) but we have what we have until at least January. If we can stay in the top half and pick up enough points whilst these guys get fit then I reckon we still have half a chance - but maybe that's my positive outlook on life!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2019 14:26:05 GMT
Absolutely nailed it padstow . I now feel a little embarrassed after reading that. Thank you for giving some perspective. what do we do about it though ? I certainly don’t have the nous or experience to offer an opinion on how to best fix this team and tactics but, the sad part, is that it seems neither does our manager. We have been lucky to have JCH bail us out but we have been well and truly sussed out. What would you do please ? Without oversimplifying it down to my footballing pedigree, I think it isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be - Tuesday aside as that was clearly dog plop. We play 352 and within that formation some of our most important players are, or have been, injured for a lot of the season and yet we are still top half. I think: If we get THD at LWB and Little or Hare back in at RWB it would make one hell of a difference rather than filling in as we do currently; We clearly need a creative player in centre midfield and played a whole lot better when Sercombe was fit. Without him the midfield doesn't work as a unit. And; Tell me which team has ever played better without their talismanic striker?! Some of those problems are unfortunate (injury), others through bad planning (not enough cover in attacking/creative positions) but we have what we have until at least January. If we can stay in the top half and pick up enough points whilst these guys get fit then I reckon we still have half a chance - but maybe that's my positive outlook on life! You are obviously seeing a team that looks a lot better than I do. The football has mainly been kick and rush and our midfield is mostly bypassed. It’s not just me as we are down on attendances so I’d venture more see it how I do. I have no reason to see us being anywhere near top half and it’s been so quiet on THD but, when he did get injured, GC told people at Yate that he would be very lucky if he played again. I wouldn’t rely on him making a comeback just yet. The squad is really unbalanced in favour of defensive and midfield players, many of whom are just poor players and our Captain is playing like an amateur. By all means, I’m not denying your positivity but I question anyone who truly believes we are anywhere near being a decent team. Many play without any talisman but we have been totally reliant on ours. We are being exposed for what we are, a struggling team with a manager who doesn’t really know how to change up a game. Obviously just my opinion. Hope I get proved wrong but I believe we have now been found out and others would have taken note what is this footballing pedigree you talk of , have you played pro or been a manager ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 15:31:02 GMT
Here we go again aanotherscapegoat for the fans?.not long ago it was Harrison then lockyer.then lines now clarke anyone see the connection? The main problem we have is there is no creative midfielder In the club.any manager worth his salt would have prioritised replacing lines with a similar type of player but at rovers that sort of thing doesn't happen. What is happening now is the same as what happened under ian atkins He masterminded the great escape but couldn't move on to a plan b.the same is happening again and the tactics have been sussed out by other clubs.unless things change then last weeks league position will be just a distant memory Absolutely nailed it padstow. I now feel a little embarrassed after reading that. Thank you for giving some perspective. what do we do about it though ? I certainly don’t have the nous or experience to offer an opinion on how to best fix this team and tactics but, the sad part, is that it seems neither does our manager. We have been lucky to have JCH bail us out but we have been well and truly sussed out. What would you do please ? Instead of an answer I will offer another observation. You are manager of the opposition and any manager worth his salt would scout the opposition several times. You look at rovers set up 3 central defenders and 3 defensive central midfield with 2 full backs being used as wingers.so how do you set your side to play? It is obvious the centre of the pitch is crowded so you play 4.2.4 and attack the full backs who are going to be invariably out of position due to the way they have to play. So you have a wideman on each side supported by your full back and attack the weak unguarded areas and put lots of crosses into the penalty area knowing that on the law of averages at least 1 will reach one of your attackers.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 24, 2019 15:38:56 GMT
Would suggest we lack pace so we don't have a solution there.
Irrespective of how good they were players like Leads or Haldane used to scare defenders.
I can remember Brighton away . 3 defenders on Haldane, only issue was no one take advantage elsewhere on the pitch.
Lines, not the fastest, but had a way of running at a defence and creating problems.
Is there anyone in our squad that can take the ball and attack defences?
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Post by pirate49 on Oct 24, 2019 15:48:43 GMT
Is there anyone in our squad that can take the ball and attack defences? From the little I've seen of him Tomlinson is prepared to take on defenders; and when Hargreaves came on recently he almost immediately won a free kick on the edge of the area following a Lines like run at the defence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 16:05:03 GMT
Is there anyone in our squad that can take the ball and attack defences? From the little I've seen of him Tomlinson is prepared to take on defenders; and when Hargreaves came on recently he almost immediately won a free kick on the edge of the area following a Lines like run at the defence.
But you know they will only get game time due to injuries.rovers game is based on work rate not skill.you may disagree but that is just my opinion
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