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Post by steviegas on Sept 19, 2019 15:55:59 GMT
We got relegated from what is now The Championship in the 1992-93 season.
We have had a few relegations and promotions in the time since but we haven't really achieved anything as we have yet to get back to the second tier
I know this seems a "All of a sudden" type of thread but I just thought we are League 1 still one and haven't progressed up to the championship since.
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 19, 2019 16:28:26 GMT
We got relegated from what is now The Championship in the 1992-93 season.
We have had a few relegations and promotions in the time since but we haven't really achieved anything as we have yet to get back to the second tier
I know this seems a "All of a sudden" type of thread but I just thought we are League 1 still one and haven't progressed up to the championship since. They say 'Every Dog has its Day' well i saw my first Rovers match in 69 and have watched few thousand since I can confirm that we have achieved sod all! Its kidda summed up by the fire that destroyed one of the stands at Eastville it also gutted the trophy room causing five pounds worth of damage' On the flip side, the Championship is the highest level of football we have achieved in all our history is up for grabs this season. From what i have seen so far (apart from Ipswich who will romp it) there's no one else to fear, so ignore the 'doom and gloom merchants anything is possible!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 16:34:10 GMT
We've bought half of a stadium, then all but been gifted the other half, that gave us security, then these owners have squandered it.
Impossible to think that Dennis and Geoff would have allowed it to happen. What these owners have done is an insult to their memory.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 19, 2019 16:37:50 GMT
Answer: 25 years of tier 3 & 4 football and 1 'fun' year in tier 5.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 19, 2019 22:04:56 GMT
To answer the title:
A begrudging respect for Russell Osman?
A shock that Ollie Holloway doesn't want us to win a match.
Some sort of security.
An aging fan base.
No more league matches v West Ham (the day we got relegated, away).
300% more Wembley appearances.
Actual name mentioned at dispatch box by Prime Minister.
Infinitely better media presentation and portfolio of the club.
Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 1:08:39 GMT
We've bought half of a stadium, then all but been gifted the other half, that gave us security, then these owners have squandered it. Impossible to think that Dennis and Geoff would have allowed it to happen. What these owners have done is an insult to their memory. geoff my pension dunford ?
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Post by trymer on Sept 20, 2019 9:00:25 GMT
I think that Rovers could have a good season at some time (maybe this one) and get back into the Championship,however staying up for any length of time would be very difficult. Survival as a club and hanging on in this division are good objectives at the present time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 9:13:40 GMT
Realistically, what we've achieved is board, after board, after board drawing pictures of stadiums that will never happen while mothballing what was a good investment into the worst stadium in the Football League.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2019 9:14:09 GMT
We've bought half of a stadium, then all but been gifted the other half, that gave us security, then these owners have squandered it. Impossible to think that Dennis and Geoff would have allowed it to happen. What these owners have done is an insult to their memory. Conveniently forgetting that Higgs bet the stadium by charging it to a Bridging Finance company on horrendous rates in pursuit of a watertight contract...... Not saying that the current owners aren't making a pigs ear of it but there does seem to be some glossing over of Higgs and co....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 10:08:40 GMT
We've bought half of a stadium, then all but been gifted the other half, that gave us security, then these owners have squandered it. Impossible to think that Dennis and Geoff would have allowed it to happen. What these owners have done is an insult to their memory. Conveniently forgetting that Higgs bet the stadium by charging it to a Bridging Finance company on horrendous rates in pursuit of a watertight contract...... Not saying that the current owners aren't making a pigs ear of it but there does seem to be some glossing over of Higgs and co.... Have said on here many times why I think the MSP loan was taken. You've conveniently 'forgotten' the million + quid per year of his own money that Higgs put in to cover losses, without securing it against the stadium. No, I'm not a Higgs fan, the exact opposite. He lost all respect from me the moment he banned someone from the ground rather than just picking up a phone, or booking a table for 2 and having a talk, like grown ups do.
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Post by Rex on Sept 20, 2019 10:21:53 GMT
Conveniently forgetting that Higgs bet the stadium by charging it to a Bridging Finance company on horrendous rates in pursuit of a watertight contract...... Not saying that the current owners aren't making a pigs ear of it but there does seem to be some glossing over of Higgs and co.... Have said on here many times why I think the MSP loan was taken. You've conveniently 'forgotten' the million + quid per year of his own money that Higgs put in to cover losses, without securing it against the stadium. No, I'm not a Higgs fan, the exact opposite. He lost all respect from me the moment he banned someone from the ground rather than just picking up a phone, or booking a table for 2 and having a talk, like grown ups do.I struggle to get past that as well. Rightly or wrongly , that makes me think he is a certain type of 'man' and it's a sort I don't like.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 20, 2019 12:09:47 GMT
Conveniently forgetting that Higgs bet the stadium by charging it to a Bridging Finance company on horrendous rates in pursuit of a watertight contract...... Not saying that the current owners aren't making a pigs ear of it but there does seem to be some glossing over of Higgs and co.... Have said on here many times why I think the MSP loan was taken. You've conveniently 'forgotten' the million + quid per year of his own money that Higgs put in to cover losses, without securing it against the stadium. No, I'm not a Higgs fan, the exact opposite. He lost all respect from me the moment he banned someone from the ground rather than just picking up a phone, or booking a table for 2 and having a talk, like grown ups do. Haven't forgotten the money he was putting in (which I believe he got back) and the fact that others (who have been mentioned around new deals) failed to back him when he needed them. Although it has to say perhaps they saw what we all saw and he didn't! In fairness Higgs wasn't the first to ban critical fans from club activity and as far as I am aware our current owners haven't succumbed to that........ yet!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:21:06 GMT
Let's be honest, they've all been pretty f**king useless. Just because one pile of dog s**t is bigger than another, doesn't mean it's not dog s**t.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:41:21 GMT
Have said on here many times why I think the MSP loan was taken. You've conveniently 'forgotten' the million + quid per year of his own money that Higgs put in to cover losses, without securing it against the stadium. No, I'm not a Higgs fan, the exact opposite. He lost all respect from me the moment he banned someone from the ground rather than just picking up a phone, or booking a table for 2 and having a talk, like grown ups do. Haven't forgotten the money he was putting in (which I believe he got back) and the fact that others (who have been mentioned around new deals) failed to back him when he needed them. Although it has to say perhaps they saw what we all saw and he didn't! In fairness Higgs wasn't the first to ban critical fans from club activity and as far as I am aware our current owners haven't succumbed to that........ yet! Sounds like you know more than me, but I thought that loans were written off and he only received share value. But the original point was that our present owners have run up the debt from circa £4m to circa £15m and counting in no time flat, basically, they've lost all of the security that they inherited. Now, if you want to try to paint Higgs as the bad guy here then go right ahead and demonstrate that he had the stadium valued for development and made the new owners pay full potential market value, thus lined his own pocket at the expense of the club, if you can't do that then you are just going to have to concede that he handed the club over on preferential terms, and the benefit of that has been lost by these owners.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 0:24:52 GMT
I remember going with my dad in the 70's and watching bill dodgins attacking marvels winning games in style[home games] and believing in a naive child like way that we were on our way to big things. I was wrong though. I still believe in the dodgin way and darrell clarke imitated it very well for a long time but were still playing gillingham after all those years.
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 21, 2019 6:40:35 GMT
I remember going with my dad in the 70's and watching bill dodgins attacking marvels winning games in style[home games] and believing in a naive child like way that we were on our way to big things. I was wrong though. I still believe in the dodgin way and darrell clarke imitated it very well for a long time but were still playing gillingham after all those years. Surely the 70's was the Megson era which is probably still one of the best periods anybody over 50 can recall watching Rovers? I still believe NH has a lot to blame for our present plight as he put in motion the annual losses of £2m+ It's just a pity no owner has ever had the b@lls just to plough ahead and redevelop the Mem. If they had we'd probably have a decent stadium now with no higher overall debts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 9:08:01 GMT
I remember going with my dad in the 70's and watching bill dodgins attacking marvels winning games in style[home games] and believing in a naive child like way that we were on our way to big things. I was wrong though. I still believe in the dodgin way and darrell clarke imitated it very well for a long time but were still playing gillingham after all those years. Surely the 70's was the Megson era which is probably still one of the best periods anybody over 50 can recall watching Rovers? I still believe NH has a lot to blame for our present plight as he put in motion the annual losses of £2m+ It's just a pity no owner has ever had the b@lls just to plough ahead and redevelop the Mem. If they had we'd probably have a decent stadium now with no higher overall debts. Megson came as player-coach originally under dodgin before becoming manager in the 73-74 season. The point is as a child in that era especially the dodgin years everything seemed possible but as you become a young adult you realise that is not the case.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2019 10:53:58 GMT
We got relegated from what is now The Championship in the 1992-93 season.
We have had a few relegations and promotions in the time since but we haven't really achieved anything as we have yet to get back to the second tier
I know this seems a "All of a sudden" type of thread but I just thought we are League 1 still one and haven't progressed up to the championship since. They say 'Every Dog has its Day' well i saw my first Rovers match in 69 and have watched few thousand since I can confirm that we have achieved sod all! Its kidda summed up by the fire that destroyed one of the stands at Eastville it also gutted the trophy room causing five pounds worth of damage' On the flip side, the Championship is the highest level of football we have achieved in all our history is up for grabs this season. From what i have seen so far (apart from Ipswich who will romp it) there's no one else to fear, so ignore the 'doom and gloom merchants anything is possible! You made I laugh about the trophy room but I don’t see us troubling the top six, not as we are. I think it would need some ambition and investment to change that.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2019 11:21:50 GMT
Realistically, what we've achieved is board, after board, after board drawing pictures of stadiums that will never happen while mothballing what was a good investment into the worst stadium in the Football League. Nail on head. A huge part of why fans are going AWOL
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 21, 2019 13:43:10 GMT
Haven't forgotten the money he was putting in (which I believe he got back) and the fact that others (who have been mentioned around new deals) failed to back him when he needed them. Although it has to say perhaps they saw what we all saw and he didn't! In fairness Higgs wasn't the first to ban critical fans from club activity and as far as I am aware our current owners haven't succumbed to that........ yet! Sounds like you know more than me, but I thought that loans were written off and he only received share value. But the original point was that our present owners have run up the debt from circa £4m to circa £15m and counting in no time flat, basically, they've lost all of the security that they inherited. Now, if you want to try to paint Higgs as the bad guy here then go right ahead and demonstrate that he had the stadium valued for development and made the new owners pay full potential market value, thus lined his own pocket at the expense of the club, if you can't do that then you are just going to have to concede that he handed the club over on preferential terms, and the benefit of that has been lost by these owners. I am not trying to paint Higgs as the only bad guy so no need to be so defensive. As I said earlier I don't think the AQs are exactly doing a brilliant job either. If you look at the accounts debt was higher than £4mln (in fact over £6mln) when the AQs took over and cashflows indicate that all of the debt was repaid which would include Higgs. I certainly don't think they obtained it on preferential terms. Higgs stated that the value of the stadium (that Sainsbury were supposed to be paying) was £30m. In reality without that stupid bid most people calculate the site to be worth around £15mln depending on the type of development. The AQs paid off the debt to get the club. If you recall Higgs was left high and dry as no one else (directors) would put money in. In fairness he was the only one left to put cash in. However I think people had lost faith in him with his 'watertight contract' and Wonga style borrowing. I don't think the AQs have covered themselves in glory. It would appear that everything they are doing is dependent on other events i.e. buying the training ground but then trying to get planning permission for housing development. And I think their failure to have done full due diligence on UWE was definitely odd for bankers who insist on due diligence on everything.
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