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Post by stevek192 on Sept 7, 2019 21:18:13 GMT
What a poor display in front of one of our lowest attendances in ages. I really feel that the style of play as much as anything is killing our club and the reason for these low attendances. The silence of our owners is not helping things either and there is a grey mist surrounding everything about our football club at the moment. I would go as far as to say that this is the worst midfield we have had in many many years and we make even very poor teams like Accrington look good. How much longer I can travel away to watch this trash is questionable as even home games are becoming more of a chore each week.
As soon as I saw the team sheet today I feared the worst with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke together and Rodman has hardly inspired this season.
I am sorry but I cannot be bothered to spend a lot of time on this because it makes me angry just thinking about the level of football played today after the opening ten minutes. It really made me ask myself whether the Manager really has a clue what he is doing. I feared the worst when he appointed Ollie Clarke as captain and those fears are now being realised as whilst it is hard to fault his love of the club he just totally lacks the drive and ability to play regular football at this level and unfortunately he is far from being the only one.
van Stappershoef 6 Did OK ,one outstanding save and stood little chance with the goals but there is just something about him that worries me.
Davies 6 Probably his worst game this season.
Craig 6 Same as Davies.
Kilgour 6 Did Ok but his problem is there is always a couple of mistakes in him and it again cost us a goal.
Hare 4 Pretty poor contribution today both going forward and more importantly defending. Was a shame because after the Coventry game where he was very poor he was starting to look good.
Rodman 5 Scored early on which should have inspired him but he got worse and worse.
Ogogo 5 battled away and did what he is good at but no creativity whatsoever and got totally outrun as the game went on. He needs better players around him to make the most of his tigerish tackling
Clarke 3 After a useful start he faded into oblivion as has been the case most of this season. Too often he marked nobody and was too slow to keep up with the Accrington players. Sorry but he is League 2 standard and always will be and the Managers decision to appoint him Captain speaks volumes for the Manager as well I fear.
Leahy 4 Poor,even when he had time he passed the ball backwards and showed little either defending or attacking.
Nichols 4 Disappointing
Clarke-Harris 8 MOM God!!! What can I say - I would say he is at three quarters fitness but he is probably the one reason that we can stay up this season. he is like Roy of the Rovers and that is the biggest compliment I can pay him. The overhead kick was magic but really was out of place with the majority of the football played today.
Subs: Bennett 5 Flatters to deceive but really unlucky not to score in the last minute when he hit the bar.
Smith 4 Even more lightweight than Nichols and a poor substitution.
GC- Dour like the football played. No plan B and a questionable Plan A.
Crowd 4 Lowest attendance in a long time but who can blame them- it is only going to go one way watching this defensive approach against even mediocre opponents.
Ref 5 Penalty was questionable but probably deserved.Apart from that was distinctly average and missed too much.
Accrington 5 Pretty poor side and a good team would have hammered them.
So we move on to a really tough game at Lincoln next week. I got my ticket before the game and have one for Wimbledon too but don't know if I can put up with many more games like today. A 3-3 draw should be exciting but watching us allow an awful side to dominate so much possession is depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 21:45:28 GMT
Hamer was banging on about how big our playing budget is, hard to see where it's being spent. Apart of course from that monster playing centre forward, even after another GC masterclass in playing with no formation and no tactics and seeing a team of bargers, hoofers and scuffers outplay us with 1 less player, it was still worth the admission fee just to see JCH.
BTW, referee was utterly useless, they came with the intention of taking our centre forward out of the game with non-stop kicks, stamps, elbows in the back of the head, he missed them all, then the first time he took a little knock himself he stopped the game for fully 5 minutes. Pathetic.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 8, 2019 7:44:20 GMT
Thanks for the report.
For me, it's not all doom and gloom, our defence has been good so far and today was a one off hopefully.
The report said Rodman made a mistake for which he was inconsolable, presumably the 2nd goal?
We would have lost that game last season, in fact the 3 home games against teams we played last season have yielded 4 more pts than last.
We expected to win mainly because of their poor start to the season and this game, but also the red card, but football doesn't always work like that, look at Portsmouth v Cov.
Agree we need a new captain, as Clarke appears undroppable as a result and I assumed would be more disciplined without Upson in keeping a more CDM role, he wasn't, at one stage all 3 midfielders were in the box, which shows no one takes responsibility to support the defence.
That is why we missed Upson.
We have high expectations but let's face where we are, a mid table team in league 1 and accept it.
We're not going to go down with this group or this manager, we will likely pick up 1.5 pts per game and be relatively safe or within a good run of the play offs
However, if we lose JCH in January, we will need to replace him with quality, the wheels could come off if we don't.
While we've got him, let's drink it in, he's brilliant and has carried on where he left off from last season. Could do with a goal or 3 away from home.
Lincoln might be caught on the hop as there is genuine interest in their management team from higher divisions and next week may be our chance to pick up a point.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 8, 2019 8:23:00 GMT
Thanks for the report. We have high expectations but let's face where we are, a mid table team in league 1 and accept it. We're not going to go down with this group or this manager, we will likely pick up 1.5 pts per game and be relatively safe or within a good run of the play offs However, if we lose JCH in January, we will need to replace him with quality, the wheels could come off if we don't. I like the positivity... but "we are a mid table team in league 1". Disagree. We are a bottom third side and 4 of those 8 sides will be relegated (in a usual season). Now it's 3 out of 7. Possibly only 2 out of 6 with Bolton struggling. Will we amass enough points before JCH goes (as he surely will in January)? I'm still very concerned. (Oh - and thanks for the report Stevek192 - you're a legend!) |
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 8, 2019 9:41:21 GMT
My big worry is that come January if the sell of the club (if there is still one being discussed which I am not convinced) has not gone through then the owners will look on this as a good way of getting some money back and will not invest any of it in the team and if that happens it will not be long before we are down to the loyal 5000!!
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Post by vaughan on Sept 8, 2019 9:57:20 GMT
We did not deserve to win the game as Accrington were much better when they had the ball. Jordan Clark was class for them.
Ollie Clarke was poorest of our players. How he stays in team bewilders me. He was at fault for second and missed a vital tackle in build-up for third.
There was no drive or creativity in our midfield. Agogo tackles, but hasn't got a diagonal pass in him. Rodman just floated around.....
Second home game on trot where opposition have had @20 shots on goal. It shows that we are easily got at by sides who pass and move.
Reality is that this will not fundamentally change under Coughlan. He has no rapport with crowd, who realise that mediocrity is what is served up.
6,500 a dreadful attendance, but an indicator....
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2019 10:00:20 GMT
stevek192. I’m sad that we played like we did but am at least now feeling better in reading the comments from others. Yes, it had entertainment value but we need to be taking points. The friend I go with normally is very defensive if I make any comment that seems against any player or the team but even he thought it was poor and the biggest tell is that neither of us wanted to have a drink afterwards. A fair few have been pointing to the table and comparing to DC, to try to paper over the cracks. One poster commented that SH was saying how big of a budget we have but the manager has been open in saying certain players he wanted, we just couldn’t afford. It’s the age old Rovers way, jam tomorrow and live in hope. I am not , in any way, a football, tactician and I am your basic and run of the mill supporter but it worries me when any manager didn’t change the formation, to take advantage of the extra man. I and many around me, felt that it looked like Stanley had the extra man. Stanley were dirty, cheated several times but I have to applaud the spirit within that team Anyway, I hope you get reason to have your mojo back fella. Many have said the cricket is why the crowd was poor but many, that I spoke with, were doing both. It’s is worrying & will obviously make a big difference to future playing budgets but also make it easier for any owner, to get out. Got to admit, I bit at the red comments. I try not to think of them but, when you have a few of them turn up in the away end and posted photos. I really should have learned by now, not to even react to their taunting. I have to admit that it’s more than troublesome when a die hard such as yourself, talks of not going. I hope we both get good reason to feel more positive & soon.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2019 10:22:53 GMT
Thanks for the report. For me, it's not all doom and gloom, our defence has been good so far and today was a one off hopefully. The report said Rodman made a mistake for which he was inconsolable, presumably the 2nd goal? We would have lost that game last season, in fact the 3 home games against teams we played last season have yielded 4 more pts than last. We expected to win mainly because of their poor start to the season and this game, but also the red card, but football doesn't always work like that, look at Portsmouth v Cov. Agree we need a new captain, as Clarke appears undroppable as a result and I assumed would be more disciplined without Upson in keeping a more CDM role, he wasn't, at one stage all 3 midfielders were in the box, which shows no one takes responsibility to support the defence. That is why we missed Upson. We have high expectations but let's face where we are, a mid table team in league 1 and accept it. We're not going to go down with this group or this manager, we will likely pick up 1.5 pts per game and be relatively safe or within a good run of the play offs However, if we lose JCH in January, we will need to replace him with quality, the wheels could come off if we don't. While we've got him, let's drink it in, he's brilliant and has carried on where he left off from last season. Could do with a goal or 3 away from home. Lincoln might be caught on the hop as there is genuine interest in their management team from higher divisions and next week may be our chance to pick up a point. I don’t think we have high expectations now. The last time I felt we had that and rightly so, was when we got the second promotion. We had many coming back to the club and there was a real buzz going on but we didn’t invest in the type of player that would push us on but yet we still managed a decent 10 place and with Taylor gone. I honestly believe most now are realistic and I wish I could agree with you about being a mid table team but it just doesn’t stack up. I’m hoping we can stay above the relegation spots until January and that we have kept something back for January. Like stevek192 says, it’s becoming difficult to come right now but there are many who, like me, come to see people they wouldn’t normally see & we are seeing an alarming amount of people turn up. I thought the first game would be close to sold out but hoped it was a glitch, due to clashing holiday season. Unlike Steve, I am not into formations and tactics but am just a rovers supporter who hopes we do as well as possible but, once again, I think we are looking for players to exceed their previous form. As always, I hope for better and any moaning I do, is kept here and not against our team. |
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Post by bloogas on Sept 8, 2019 10:29:41 GMT
Steve /KP - My away travelling buddy went to "An evening with Ian Holloway" at Charfield village Hall. During it, IH vented his frustration with owners. Not overjoyed at Rovers as he was forced to sell better players. QPR owner lied to him. Millwall - best unsaid. Blackpool - could have sold Charlie Adams for £6 million & built a better side with it. Oyston for some reason wouldn't. Adams went anyway eventually. You get my point? Yes, it wasn't very good yesterday, but put the blame where it really lies. We have no idea who he tried to sign & why they wouldn't sign. I concede it might be because they didn't relish GC, but lack of ambition by the owners is more. As said before, same old Rovers I've loved and supported for 50 years.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 8, 2019 10:35:35 GMT
Nichols 4 Disappointing.... really?. after reading other views thing took a downhill AFTER he went off.... I was not there so i can only take in what i have read
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 8, 2019 10:46:13 GMT
The football is far from dour. How can a 3-3 draw be dour? Last season was dour, as was the first half of all Clarke's seasons in charge. There's no comparison with that. I find it entertaining after the control freak tactics last season. Even Craig looks like a proper footballer and not one of the Woodentops with one leg like he was under Clarke. We now have a striker of merit and always have a goal in us so can play more open. We missed Upson a lot yesterday and Agogo ran his socks off, but it was not enough to stop their first 2 goals coming through the wide open channel where Upson normally operates. I'm a bit disappointed that Smith hasn't lived up to his early promise. Nichols is what he is, unfortunately, and the young bloke on loan from Barnsley needs more experience. Clarke-Harris needs a reliable partner because we can't expect him to keep bailing us out. Ollie Clarke is an annoying player to watch. Most of his dirty fouls are totally unnecessary and only serve to surrender possession in dangerous positions.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 8, 2019 11:12:09 GMT
We did not deserve to win the game as Accrington were much better when they had the ball. Jordan Clark was class for them. Ollie Clarke was poorest of our players. How he stays in team bewilders me. He was at fault for second and missed a vital tackle in build-up for third. There was no drive or creativity in our midfield. Agogo tackles, but hasn't got a diagonal pass in him. Rodman just floated around..... Second home game on trot where opposition have had @20 shots on goal. It shows that we are easily got at by sides who pass and move. Reality is that this will not fundamentally change under Coughlan. He has no rapport with crowd, who realise that mediocrity is what is served up. 6,500 a dreadful attendance, but an indicator.... Thought was Rodman at fault for second with a casual pass. Ollie involved with both our first two goals! Ogogo had a good first 15 mins. If he won any challenges after that they were a toe in where the ball went to one of their players. I am not sure how he stays in the side when he does not want the ball, especially when Upson fit. While Upson out would prefer Hargreaves and Russe, busy players who want to challenge and want the ball to use it. The second half showed the issue with 5 in midfield. 2 hanging out wide. 1 supposed to be in the hole behind the front 2 and 1 I'm front of back four. Leaves us with one in midfield when they break |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2019 12:24:15 GMT
Steve /KP - My away travelling buddy went to "An evening with Ian Holloway" at Charfield village Hall. During it, IH vented his frustration with owners. Not overjoyed at Rovers as he was forced to sell better players. QPR owner lied to him. Millwall - best unsaid. Blackpool - could have sold Charlie Adams for £6 million & built a better side with it. Oyston for some reason wouldn't. Adams went anyway eventually. You get my point? Yes, it wasn't very good yesterday, but put the blame where it really lies. We have no idea who he tried to sign & why they wouldn't sign. I concede it might be because they didn't relish GC, but lack of ambition by the owners is more. As said before, same old Rovers I've loved and supported for 50 years. I agree about the lack of ambition and have said so, several times. I don’t know anything about GC that I haven’t read in the papers but he doesn’t come across as some kind of bully that the players hate. I think it was folly in awarding a permanent contract but that is just my opinion, I think contact till end of last season then negotiate would have been the better call but, like Jon Snow, I know nothing 😂 I think that this group could actually do ok but only with the addition of a couple of linking players. Although I have at least heard Davies barking out orders, we still seem quiet, as a team. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2019 12:25:59 GMT
My big worry is that come January if the sell of the club (if there is still one being discussed which I am not convinced) has not gone through then the owners will look on this as a good way of getting some money back and will not invest any of it in the team and if that happens it will not be long before we are down to the loyal 5000!! Nail on the head and there are a fair few who share that view Steve |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2019 13:01:39 GMT
We did not deserve to win the game as Accrington were much better when they had the ball. Jordan Clark was class for them. Ollie Clarke was poorest of our players. How he stays in team bewilders me. He was at fault for second and missed a vital tackle in build-up for third. There was no drive or creativity in our midfield. Agogo tackles, but hasn't got a diagonal pass in him. Rodman just floated around..... Second home game on trot where opposition have had @20 shots on goal. It shows that we are easily got at by sides who pass and move. Reality is that this will not fundamentally change under Coughlan. He has no rapport with crowd, who realise that mediocrity is what is served up. 6,500 a dreadful attendance, but an indicator.... I think this is one of the biggest things in that we are a dream for any scout to deliver a brief upon. Basically, man mark JCH and attack us on the break and through the middle. I so hope I’ve got it badly wrong and that we are about to see the team play well and as a solid unit |
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 8, 2019 19:10:21 GMT
Thanks for the report. For me, it's not all doom and gloom, our defence has been good so far and today was a one off hopefully. The report said Rodman made a mistake for which he was inconsolable, presumably the 2nd goal? We would have lost that game last season, in fact the 3 home games against teams we played last season have yielded 4 more pts than last. We expected to win mainly because of their poor start to the season and this game, but also the red card, but football doesn't always work like that, look at Portsmouth v Cov. Agree we need a new captain, as Clarke appears undroppable as a result and I assumed would be more disciplined without Upson in keeping a more CDM role, he wasn't, at one stage all 3 midfielders were in the box, which shows no one takes responsibility to support the defence. That is why we missed Upson. We have high expectations but let's face where we are, a mid table team in league 1 and accept it. We're not going to go down with this group or this manager, we will likely pick up 1.5 pts per game and be relatively safe or within a good run of the play offs However, if we lose JCH in January, we will need to replace him with quality, the wheels could come off if we don't. While we've got him, let's drink it in, he's brilliant and has carried on where he left off from last season. Could do with a goal or 3 away from home. Lincoln might be caught on the hop as there is genuine interest in their management team from higher divisions and next week may be our chance to pick up a point. I don’t think we have high expectations now. The last time I felt we had that and rightly so, was when we got the second promotion. We had many coming back to the club and there was a real buzz going on but we didn’t invest in the type of player that would push us on but yet we still managed a decent 10 place and with Taylor gone. I honestly believe most now are realistic and I wish I could agree with you about being a mid table team but it just doesn’t stack up. I’m hoping we can stay above the relegation spots until January and that we have kept something back for January. Like stevek192 says, it’s becoming difficult to come right now but there are many who, like me, come to see people they wouldn’t normally see & we are seeing an alarming amount of people turn up. I thought the first game would be close to sold out but hoped it was a glitch, due to clashing holiday season. Unlike Steve, I am not into formations and tactics but am just a rovers supporter who hopes we do as well as possible but, once again, I think we are looking for players to exceed their previous form. As always, I hope for better and any moaning I do, is kept here and not against our team. JCH and hanging onto him in January is crucial. Using the money well if he goes |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 9, 2019 6:17:40 GMT
Two things as far as I can see it, keeping JCH fit, and sorting the midfield, if the midfield had some idea of what to do there would not be so much pressure on our defence and the front men would receive better service.
From the games I have watched on ifollow opposing teams, either from counter or playing out from the back are able to pass through our midfield like they are not there!, and our recent decent defence are pressured to organise as the attack arrives so quickly, countless times I have seen midfield without any Rovers player in camera view and the attacker/s waltzing and able to seek a killer pass, not a challenge in sight until it reaches and breaches our defence.
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