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Post by bloogas on Oct 23, 2019 12:46:19 GMT
Doesn't look like Nichols is going anywhere. Coughlan obviously loves him to bits. He said he's one of our own ! Maybe just maybe by continuing to play him it will hopefully cost coughlan his job here's hoping. For the record - when TN came off GC was all over him - hugs, kisses, arms round him, etc.. When Ogogo came off GC barely acknowledged him. Make what you will of it. One wonders if Tom quietly begs GC to leave him out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 7:17:12 GMT
Wonder why, specifically, TN was really crying.
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CabbagePatchBlues
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 24, 2019 8:16:11 GMT
Maybe he's the reason most of the team played so poorly. Maybe some of them gave him some stick after Doncaster. Teams don't normally play so well after dressing room bust-ups. Just speculating. He's been with us for what, three seasons? He hasn't improved one bit in that time and we don't seem to have helped him to develop either. He has his moments when everyone thinks he's turned the corner, but they're so few and far between they've become part of his general pattern. Do the man a favour and loan him out ffs. Exeter might take him back in the hope he could help reverse their downward slide from the promotion pack. All this hugging gets me down. I don't think many players like it to be honest. I've seen James Milner push Klopp away more than once and Sterling looks decidedly uncomfortable looking out all puppy eyed from inside Guardiola's wooly jumper. Surely a pat on the shoulder or handshake is enough - or a blank stare when they've had a stinker.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2019 9:45:55 GMT
Doesn't look like Nichols is going anywhere. Coughlan obviously loves him to bits. He said he's one of our own ! Maybe just maybe by continuing to play him it will hopefully cost coughlan his job here's hoping. For the record - when TN came off GC was all over him - hugs, kisses, arms round him, etc.. When Ogogo came off GC barely acknowledged him. Make what you will of it. One wonders if Tom quietly begs GC to leave him out. There has been heated discussion about whether TN is suffering from depression. It can get very personal on Twitter. My view is that footballers know what they are letting themselves in for and right from the start. There is quite a Hoo ha going in about personal abuse of him and others. I think it would be best if TN was loaned out and got away from this club until he can sort out his mindset. Regardless if depressed or not, we cannot afford to be carrying a player and id hope there woukd be safeguards in place
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 24, 2019 9:49:00 GMT
For the record - when TN came off GC was all over him - hugs, kisses, arms round him, etc.. When Ogogo came off GC barely acknowledged him. Make what you will of it. One wonders if Tom quietly begs GC to leave him out. There has been heated discussion about whether TN is suffering from depression. It can get very personal on Twitter. My view is that footballers know what they are letting themselves in for and right from the start. There is quite a Hoo ha going in about personal abuse of him and others. I think it would be best if TN was loaned out and got away from this club until he can sort out his mindset. Regardless if depressed or not, we cannot afford to be carrying a player and id hope there woukd be safeguards in place Let's also remember he's someone's son, and from a football perspective we can't afford to carry him, but i think he does care, but it doesn't always work out. You're right about the safeguarding needing to be in place.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 24, 2019 10:03:25 GMT
There has been heated discussion about whether TN is suffering from depression. It can get very personal on Twitter. My view is that footballers know what they are letting themselves in for and right from the start. There is quite a Hoo ha going in about personal abuse of him and others. I think it would be best if TN was loaned out and got away from this club until he can sort out his mindset. Regardless if depressed or not, we cannot afford to be carrying a player and id hope there woukd be safeguards in place Let's also remember he's someone's son, and from a football perspective we can't afford to carry him, but i think he does care, but it doesn't always work out. You're right about the safeguarding needing to be in place. Given the reaction of GC when he was substituted, I’d say there are real problems with the player and playing him, while he is like that, is not going to help. I still suffer from awful bouts of depression myself so I like to think I know a bit about it. Sometimes it really comes down to having to disengage with everyone and giving myself time to heal and work things out. I do feel for him but a football club cannot carry people & so it needs to be properly addressed. I hope that, if it is depression, that he gets good help and the last thing he needs is to have any kind of pressure applied. It will only make him worse. I have to say that some if the abuse if just too much yet we are supposed to be more with it on such things as mental health. My experience is that plenty will post about it but few actually do anything. My personal opinion is that TN needs time away from this. He is very obviously having a crisis and I hope he gets the help needed
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 24, 2019 10:19:57 GMT
Let's also remember he's someone's son, and from a football perspective we can't afford to carry him, but i think he does care, but it doesn't always work out. You're right about the safeguarding needing to be in place. Given the reaction of GC when he was substituted, I’d say there are real problems with the player and playing him, while he is like that, is not going to help. I still suffer from awful bouts of depression myself so I like to think I know a bit about it. Sometimes it really comes down to having to disengage with everyone and giving myself time to heal and work things out. I do feel for him but a football club cannot carry people & so it needs to be properly addressed. I hope that, if it is depression, that he gets good help and the last thing he needs is to have any kind of pressure applied. It will only make him worse. I have to say that some if the abuse if just too much yet we are supposed to be more with it on such things as mental health. My experience is that plenty will post about it but few actually do anything. My personal opinion is that TN needs time away from this. He is very obviously having a crisis and I hope he gets the help needed 😊
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 19:24:53 GMT
When a Rovers player has depression, there's no point in booing or abusing the bugger. Because before he had depression, there was no point in booing or abusing the bugger. I've not booed or abused a Rovers player yet. This is due to empathy and human solidarity only slightly. It's mainly because I want Rovers players to pull their finger out and do better, or leave at the end of May. I'll shout at players walking to run. I'll shout at players ball watching to mark. I'll shout at players resting to work. I can't see how booing or abusing them is going to help. I save my anger for lousy owners and managers. This is starting to build. GC isn't a dick. I don't like him though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 19:38:57 GMT
Broom who coughlan let go has currently scored 6 goals for Cheltenham this season. Yes Cheltenham I know , he is being closely monitored by Pompey and the posh. Who say he could easily step up to division one ! What a surprise. Don't worry we've always got Nichols.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2019 19:44:09 GMT
Broom who coughlan let go has currently scored 6 goals for Cheltenham this season. He's no Ricky Miller though, Degg.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 25, 2019 19:55:35 GMT
Broom who coughlan let go has currently scored 6 goals for Cheltenham this season. Yes Cheltenham I know , he is being closely monitored by Pompey and the posh. Who say he could easily step up to division one ! What a surprise. Don't worry we've always got Nichols. Signed up just to clarify this. DC let Broom go. It was well documented at the time - DC went around saying about how he hadn't let a player go that had made him go on to look foolish. Looks like Broom is the one!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 21:08:47 GMT
Listening to GC interviews recently confirmed for me that I don't like the man, yet (style of football aside) I cannot say why. Without name calling, I'd like to understand why others like or dislike him so much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 21:32:42 GMT
I've heard that due to the lack of interest for Wednesday's match even more areas of the ground will be closed. Thus saving the minimum wage paid to the stewards affected. I believe the only areas of the ground that are going to be open on the night will be the 2 dressing rooms.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 21:36:28 GMT
I've heard that due to the lack of interest for Wednesday's match even more areas of the ground will be closed. Thus saving the minimum wage paid to the stewards affected. I believe the only areas of the ground that are going to be open on the night will be the 2 dressing rooms. It's time we introduced commas into our prose, Degg. Don't misunderstand me: I love the full stops, really. I just want to see you progress to the next level.
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Post by foreverblue on Nov 12, 2019 8:07:27 GMT
I've heard that due to the lack of interest for Wednesday's match even more areas of the ground will be closed. Thus saving the minimum wage paid to the stewards affected. I believe the only areas of the ground that are going to be open on the night will be the 2 dressing rooms. It's time we introduced commas into our prose, Degg. Don't misunderstand me: I love the full stops, really. I just want to see you progress to the next level. Thank you for your comment! I am afraid kegandegg is out of the forum until 13th Nov - if your comment is important please send it to upyourownarse@dullcomments.com 😜
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Post by irishrover on Nov 12, 2019 17:53:37 GMT
Listening to GC interviews recently confirmed for me that I don't like the man, yet (style of football aside) I cannot say why. Without name calling, I'd like to understand why others like or dislike him so much. I find it an odd thing. There can be no doubt that the results under GC have been impressive on the whole. The players he's signed look pretty decent and there is all evidence that he knows what he's about. On the other hand, as someone who only gets to 10-12 games a year, I have been distinctly unimpressed by nearly every game I've seen us play under him. In every match we seem to go through long periods of not just being bad but looking embarrasingly clueless. We have no clear pattern of play apart from 'get the ball to JCH' and our defence has obvious holes at times. He also comes across as quite abrasive but then so did DC quite often and I liked him most of the time.
So you really can't argue with results but at the same time....I'd sort of like to argue with results! I just find it all a bit strange and it is clear that there isn't much of a bond with the fans. I saw the Bolton and Portsmouth home games and I was amazed at how much stick GC was getting and how little faith the fans around me seemed to have in the team given that we were 4th in the league coming into those games, which I reckon is as high up in the league structure as we've been at this stage in the season for 20 years and clearly overachieving expectations.
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Post by foreverblue on Nov 12, 2019 18:19:04 GMT
Listening to GC interviews recently confirmed for me that I don't like the man, yet (style of football aside) I cannot say why. Without name calling, I'd like to understand why others like or dislike him so much. I find it an odd thing. There can be no doubt that the results under GC have been impressive on the whole. The players he's signed look pretty decent and there is all evidence that he knows what he's about. On the other hand, as someone who only gets to 10-12 games a year, I have been distinctly unimpressed by nearly every game I've seen us play under him. In every match we seem to go through long periods of not just being bad but looking embarrasingly clueless. We have no clear pattern of play apart from 'get the ball to JCH' and our defence has obvious holes at times. He also comes across as quite abrasive but then so did DC quite often and I liked him most of the time.
So you really can't argue with results but at the same time....I'd sort of like to argue with results! I just find it all a bit strange and it is clear that there isn't much of a bond with the fans. I saw the Bolton and Portsmouth home games and I was amazed at how much stick GC was getting and how little faith the fans around me seemed to have in the team given that we were 4th in the league coming into those games, which I reckon is as high up in the league structure as we've been at this stage in the season for 20 years and clearly overachieving expectations.
there becomes a point when you are at your natural ceiling league wise that you want entertainment more than anything else. I’d take good football and 5 places lower at the minute because I’ve been bored at our games far too often since GC has been in charge. Saying that tho I don’t dislike the bloke, he’s just had to play a certain way to get results. Is it a results business or a form of entertainment? Not so sure anymore as was always points, points, points! Christ we need a new ground and some aspirations! Lol!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 18:32:16 GMT
I find it an odd thing. There can be no doubt that the results under GC have been impressive on the whole. The players he's signed look pretty decent and there is all evidence that he knows what he's about. On the other hand, as someone who only gets to 10-12 games a year, I have been distinctly unimpressed by nearly every game I've seen us play under him. In every match we seem to go through long periods of not just being bad but looking embarrasingly clueless. We have no clear pattern of play apart from 'get the ball to JCH' and our defence has obvious holes at times. He also comes across as quite abrasive but then so did DC quite often and I liked him most of the time.
So you really can't argue with results but at the same time....I'd sort of like to argue with results! I just find it all a bit strange and it is clear that there isn't much of a bond with the fans. I saw the Bolton and Portsmouth home games and I was amazed at how much stick GC was getting and how little faith the fans around me seemed to have in the team given that we were 4th in the league coming into those games, which I reckon is as high up in the league structure as we've been at this stage in the season for 20 years and clearly overachieving expectations.
there becomes a point when you are at your natural ceiling league wise that you want entertainment more than anything else. I’d take good football and 5 places lower at the minute because I’ve been bored at our games far too often since GC has been in charge. Saying that tho I don’t dislike the bloke, he’s just had to play a certain way to get results. Is it a results business or a form of entertainment? Not so sure anymore as was always points, points, points! Christ we need a new ground and some aspirations! Lol! What we need is someone mad enough to buy for £15m today what they could have got for, I think, £7m 4 years ago. 2 other slight problems; 4 years back there was a new stadium in place. Back then, before all of the improvements these owners have made, the annual losses were much smaller. Unless I'm missing something, we are in deep trouble.
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 12, 2019 18:39:45 GMT
To try and answer Irish. I feel that at any point we could get a stuffing. It's like we ride our luck, hope they don't score then hope we do. And if possible don't go one nil up to early else you feel that if they get one they will get two. The Francis team was very well organised with little flair, but you went into games thinking we would win.
The total lack of pace in the team also mean hard to get excited at odd moments during a game.
Most seem to think that the table is lying at the moment.
And as for those who think JCH will save the day shows we must have a problem, or maybe he will score 30plus to keep us top ten.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 12:30:38 GMT
Got his excuse for losing the replay against Bromley already. The plastic pitch.
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