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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 4:58:35 GMT
I must listen to the interview, to be certain that Al Qadi's words weren't taken out of context. If not, you have to wonder whether Al Qadi is, well, alright.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Aug 7, 2019 6:18:01 GMT
Many thanks Angas. I thought Geoff was quite blunt with Wael, possibly a reflection of previous rather vague interviews. He could still have pushed him harder though. Why is the Training Ground development contingent on the new Stadium development? I have never heard a straight answer on that one. Anyway - I guess it boils down to trust. The still unanswered questions around UWE, the pretend redevelopment of the Memorial Stadium and the moth-balling of the Colony means (for me) - that Wael has lost a lot (if not all) of his credibility. That interview was unconvincing - particularly the fluffiness around time-lines. We have no idea how it will be funded and who the other parties are that will be engaged in the project. The latter two I can live with, and to be fair perhaps this reflects delicate negotiations at an early stage. But without a shred of any real evidence that this is happening, I am going to remain very cynical. Chances of this all coming to fruition? (sorry) 2% maybe? Other people (look at the 'other place') - are already stressing about which bus to catch, where to drink and where the disabled parking is going to be!!! Some are prepared to give Wael the benefit of the doubt and think this is definitely a serious attempt to build a new Stadium. I don't have a problem with that and I obviously hope that their confidence is well founded. So we either buy the land, or find that the Fruit Market project is not viable. I guess all will be revealed in 6 months or so? I know where my money would be going. UTG. The training ground is dependent on the new stadium because without the financial benefits of a new stadium we can’t afford it. Many, many people have tried to get us a stadium and all have failed. Believe it or not but unless you’re a billionaire like Lansdown, willing to burn your fortune away in a narcissistic vanity project, it’s quite hard to fund and build a stadium for a heavily endebted club. I think Wael gets too much stick. I believe he is genuinely trying. He got sold a dummy by Higgs who was well known to want to get out and get his money back, and he seemingly set up a deal which was not to the benefit of the club. It was purely to make it an attractive prospect to a buyer. Ok, perhaps Wael and co are guilty of not enough due diligence. As far as I can see; Our playing budgets if anything are slightly better than before Wael and co are trying to get us a new stadium Wael has said openly in the meantime if anyone comes in who can do it quicker, he will stand down Ok, he’s not the billionaire benefactor we hoped for. He never claimed to be that and was honest about it Wael and co I am sure want to deliver. I’m not saying they are the saviours and I’m a huge Wael fan etc but I don’t buy the belligerent attitude. We have an owner who at least wants to move us on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 6:26:11 GMT
You carry on me old china, it certainly made me laugh I have been laughing since Saturday afternoon,as I said its comedy gold. Ditto. Hard to believe that some choose to believe the latest vague insinuations about a potential site, that we may pretend we're going to buy and develop.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 7, 2019 8:03:33 GMT
Many thanks Angas. I thought Geoff was quite blunt with Wael, possibly a reflection of previous rather vague interviews. He could still have pushed him harder though. Why is the Training Ground development contingent on the new Stadium development? I have never heard a straight answer on that one. Anyway - I guess it boils down to trust. The still unanswered questions around UWE, the pretend redevelopment of the Memorial Stadium and the moth-balling of the Colony means (for me) - that Wael has lost a lot (if not all) of his credibility. That interview was unconvincing - particularly the fluffiness around time-lines. We have no idea how it will be funded and who the other parties are that will be engaged in the project. The latter two I can live with, and to be fair perhaps this reflects delicate negotiations at an early stage. But without a shred of any real evidence that this is happening, I am going to remain very cynical. Chances of this all coming to fruition? (sorry) 2% maybe? Other people (look at the 'other place') - are already stressing about which bus to catch, where to drink and where the disabled parking is going to be!!! Some are prepared to give Wael the benefit of the doubt and think this is definitely a serious attempt to build a new Stadium. I don't have a problem with that and I obviously hope that their confidence is well founded. So we either buy the land, or find that the Fruit Market project is not viable. I guess all will be revealed in 6 months or so? I know where my money would be going. UTG. The training ground is dependent on the new stadium because without the financial benefits of a new stadium we can’t afford it. Those would be future revenue streams that 'may' be there in the future. It's 'sort of an answer', but not one I have heard from a Board member ( I stand to be corrected).Many, many people have tried to get us a stadium and all have failed. Believe it or not but unless you’re a billionaire like Lansdown, willing to burn your fortune away in a narcissistic vanity project, it’s quite hard to fund and build a stadium for a heavily endebted club. We were not massively indebted before Dwane Sports took over. We are now.I think Wael gets too much stick. I believe he is genuinely trying. Not really any evidence to suggest he is genuinely trying. If he is - there is now output. Dwane Sports have had control for 3 1/2 years my friend. They have put up some tents.He got sold a dummy by Higgs who was well known to want to get out and get his money back, and he seemingly set up a deal which was not to the benefit of the club. It was purely to make it an attractive prospect to a buyer. Ok, perhaps Wael and co are guilty of not enough due diligence. Hurrah! We're getting somewhere. Something even the Wael disciples can agree with.As far as I can see; Our playing budgets if anything are slightly better than before All talk of budgets is speculation. In the interests of fairness, I'll concede that one to you anyway. I guess it's one of the reasons we are losing £3mil a year.Wael and co are trying to get us a new stadium He might be doing 'his best'. But sometimes that is not enough. Wael has said openly in the meantime if anyone comes in who can do it quicker, he will stand down Great that they are open to offers. Sadly for every month that passes, the price tag increases £250k. I mean crikey - that's the annual cost of a London office! Ok, he’s not the billionaire benefactor we hoped for. He never claimed to be that and was honest about it Fair point. Though a vision of a new stadium and category 2 training facility were down to his words, not our own expectations.Wael and co I am sure want to deliver. Of course! Do they have the finance/financial backing and are they economically astute enough to deliver? I don't see it.I’m not saying they are the saviours and I’m a huge Wael fan etc but I don’t buy the belligerent attitude. We have an owner who at least wants to move us on. Yeah - but it's just wishful thinking my friend, nothing more. The initial UWE deal collapsed 2 years ago. I've seen nothing apart from spinning wheels, BS and bluster since then.OK - I have tried to answer each point. Like I said - I think there is a fundamental issue with TRUST. From the comments I see, an awful lot of this is generational. The 'older' supporters are more cynical than the younger brigade. Is it belligerence? Or frustration? I guess the longer you've been Gas, the more frustrated you get. I am 54. You, I wager, are younger. Only three things I can think of will convince me the owners are credible. 1. Dwane Sports start work on the Training Facility (you know the one they said would be open on July 1st 2019 - but I take your point above) or, 2. Dwane Sports buys the land, obtains planning permission and has credible plans drawn up for the new stadium (fingers crossed in 6 months time then), 3. Dwane Sports write off some of the huge internal debt that BRFC owes them. This would then prove that they are actually putting their OWN MONEY in, and not just drawing the cash out of the credit facility which is based on the equity held within the Memorial Stadium. Writing off the interest BRFC have being charged at 6% would be a jolly good place to start. Good day to you Sir.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 8:07:34 GMT
The Bristol Post have really dug the fella out today and I'm afraid its true, the photos say it all. The interview on Saturday was yet another example of please love me, I know I'm a dick but I will say anything or do anything as long as you adore me as I have insecurity problems and need desperate daily reassurance. Can someone please advise me how you get planning consent before acquiring a site in the UK these days ? Surely this guy is living in dead dingo donger la la land ! The white coats can't be far away steering him to the cuckoos nest ! Not a bad summary but you can acquire planning permission on somebody else's land if you were stupid enough to do so without a deal to buy in place.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 7, 2019 8:08:03 GMT
I must listen to the interview, to be certain that A Qadi's words weren't taken out of context. If not, you have to wonder whether Al Qadi is, well, alright. Please listen. Let us know what the avian take is on this. After all, as everyone knows, the bird is the word.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 7, 2019 9:00:26 GMT
I know little about the location and haven’t even visited the area since the 1970s and rarely comment on new ground threads. But we need a new ground, we needed it a long time ago and although it sounds a hard place to get to for me coming up from Dorset so what? I’ve known for 50+ years that supporting us isn’t easy and this would just be another thing to overcome. And despite agreeing with the sentiment “I’ll believe it when I’m sat in it” someone, somewhere at sometime is going to take the first step to starting a process that will lead to our new ground and perhaps this will be that time. I hope that I will be alive to see it but I’m not convinced! Optimism is my default position being a gashead tempered by a large dose of realism. Fingers crossed eh? UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 7, 2019 9:09:37 GMT
It's on the BBC R Bristol website for yesterdays pre-match 20man show, Weal's interview starts at around 10/15 mins, but he doesn't give a lot away investment wise, although the suggestions on the other forum are it's a consortium but Wael & MS are staying on. Damn. I wanted to hear it again and it's gone! - unless I'm being dumb (a distinct possibility). Now up to 31 pages at the 'other place'. Perhaps it's been discussed in far more detail there than it has been at Board level.And no mention of anything on the official site. We are potentially moving in to a purpose built stadium for the first time since we moved to Eastville in 1897, and not a word on the subject. How odd. Excuse my (admittedly predictable) scepticism. Meh! Lots of ITKs and like most threads, 31 pages of speculation and b******t, little hard evidence of anything concrete. Much like any forum I guess! 😉 UTG!
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Post by toteend3 on Aug 7, 2019 9:21:49 GMT
Apparently Wael started out in business with nothing and he’s managed to keep hold of most of it. He puts this down to having a positive attitude which won’t solve any of our problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:43:49 GMT
I am going to take out a charge against my own flat and charge myself 6% interest so that when the full value of my property is spent i can walk away with a massive profit.
Its so simple really and i lose nothing.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 7, 2019 10:05:47 GMT
I am going to take out a charge against my own flat and charge myself 6% interest so that when the full value of my property is spent i can walk away with a massive profit. Its so simple really and i lose nothing. The analogy doesn't quite work - unless you bought a flat that is worth £300k and you bought it for £100k. You can spaff the £300k up a wall and walk away owing nothing (not a massive profit). The 6% you charge yourself just disappears at point of sale as part of the spent equity. Finally, I think you're slowly getting there. It's been emotional.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 7, 2019 10:24:09 GMT
The Bristol Post have really dug the fella out today and I'm afraid its true, the photos say it all. The interview on Saturday was yet another example of please love me, I know I'm a dick but I will say anything or do anything as long as you adore me as I have insecurity problems and need desperate daily reassurance. Can someone please advise me how you get planning consent before acquiring a site in the UK these days ? Surely this guy is living in dead dingo donger la la land ! The white coats can't be far away steering him to the cuckoos nest ! Sadly, surrounded by a group a fans who imprinted themselves and indulge him. They don’t want to look stupid so carry on in this bloody farce. I’m sure he’s a decent enough bloke but have not any confidence in him, as a leader & someone who can get a deal done. SH is seen as his brothers man. WAQ wants him gone but it seems big bro won’t allow it. I think we could all identify sites but going public just makes it worse but for us as well
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Post by fanatical on Aug 7, 2019 11:23:52 GMT
I am going to take out a charge against my own flat and charge myself 6% interest so that when the full value of my property is spent i can walk away with a massive profit. Its so simple really and i lose nothing. The analogy doesn't quite work - unless you bought a flat that is worth £300k and you bought it for £100k. You can spaff the £300k up a wall and walk away owing nothing (not a massive profit). The 6% you charge yourself just disappears at point of sale as part of the spent equity. Finally, I think you're slowly getting there. It's been emotional. I think you missedthe point
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Post by trunky on Aug 7, 2019 13:03:48 GMT
Whatever you think of Wael you have got to admit the man is a compulsive liar, I find it incredible that we still have fans who believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 7, 2019 16:33:36 GMT
I must listen to the interview, to be certain that A Qadi's words weren't taken out of context. If not, you have to wonder whether Al Qadi is, well, alright. Now shoveler, you more than anyone should give credit for someone not ducking an issue... 🙂
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Post by billyocean on Aug 7, 2019 17:18:36 GMT
Interesting that the length of the equivalent thread at the other place remains at approximately six times the length of this one over time. Felt it necessary to point this out and add something insightful
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 17:31:21 GMT
Felt it necessary to point this out and add something insightful Go on, then.
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Post by billyocean on Aug 7, 2019 17:34:56 GMT
Felt it necessary to point this out and add something insightful Go on, then. Clearly not easy for you to recognise tongue-in-cheek remarks. Presumably because you have no cheeks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 18:04:53 GMT
Whatever you think of Wael you have got to admit the man is a compulsive liar, I find it incredible that we still have fans who believe a word that comes out of his mouth. I thought the last bloke was pretty good at spinning yarns.
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 7, 2019 18:36:40 GMT
The Bristol Post have really dug the fella out today and I'm afraid its true, the photos say it all. The interview on Saturday was yet another example of please love me, I know I'm a dick but I will say anything or do anything as long as you adore me as I have insecurity problems and need desperate daily reassurance. Can someone please advise me how you get planning consent before acquiring a site in the UK these days ? Surely this guy is living in dead dingo donger la la land ! The white coats can't be far away steering him to the cuckoos nest ! Not a bad summary but you can acquire planning permission on somebody else's land if you were stupid enough to do so without a deal to buy in place. Not sure that's strictly correct as you'll need their approval to carry out surveys etc, why would they agree to letting their agents on to there land until a sale price had been agreed in principle?
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