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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 22, 2019 17:15:29 GMT
Just got back....
Oh, dear!?
Sorry to say I've seen the same game now for a few matches. Blackpool at home was the only time (perhaps Sunderland away) that I can honestly say there's been a performance to be proud of.. Today was much like Friday, only exception is no worldy strike to get us out of jail.
GC talks about heart and desire. Ok, fine, you set your stall out. Ugly wins better than class defeats bla bla bla... Point is, we've looked poor for months now. Ugly and lack of class.
One dimensional, ponderous, no tempo, no confidence, no one moving, no midfield dominance, no width. Awful attacking options.
Really don't get the love in with *Upson, *Nichols, *THD (although one sublime back heel was easy in the eye), *Sercombe, *Rodman (whom played left back most of the match) for me, get rid next season if we want to get better.
*Locks was poor (for me) too and I thought it was his man whom should've been marking whom scored. Not sure about that allocation of blame though.
Ollie had reasonable match. Craig I thought played well. JCH struggled up front alone.
I've got to say it.....why are we persisting with Nichols? Trys hard boll0cks (?), again played 75 mins with little contribution except exertion of the links flag....I mean, I know Bob Taylor was always offside (as per song) as well as being a practising homosexual, but Nichols is testing the boundaries in surpassing that feat. Funny thing is, he'll feature next match! Wtf?!
How are we gonna justify this to future generations of Gas.....why (gran)daddy did that fool play when he scores twice in two seasons... ?.....well, son it's like this: he takes his bra off at the end of the match and when compared to everyone, he trys hard.
THEN f******g PLAY HIM AS A BALL BOY.
At least he'll be useful when gathering the ball to get it to someone who can make a difference*
* Asterisk exception.
Just saying.
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Post by harrybuckle on Apr 22, 2019 17:22:44 GMT
11 home league defeats says it all. Equalled our Club record set in 1947/48 and equalled again in 1992/93.
We really cannot compete with poor relegation threatened Clubs like Accrington, Southend, Walsall, Wycombe, Scunthorpe, Gillingham and now Rochdale where we have got NIL points from those seven home games.
Just as well JCH gave us winning away goals otherwise we really would be in serious trouble now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 17:29:32 GMT
Nichols, Rodman and Upson were total s**te, we should have put the threat of relegation to bed once and for all today, now we are relying on others doing worse than us over the last 2 games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 17:39:36 GMT
11 home league defeats says it all. Equalled our Club record set in 1947/48 and equalled again in 1992/93. We really cannot compete with poor relegation threatened Clubs like Accrington, Southend, Walsall, Wycombe, Scunthorpe, Gillingham and now Rochdale where we have got NIL points from those seven home games. Just as well JCH gave us winning away goals otherwise we really would be in serious trouble now. We are in serious trouble. This is a repeat of when Higgs was in charge, even if we stay up we'll learn nothing, keep this manager, keep the bulk of the players and sooner or later get relegated again.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 22, 2019 17:52:53 GMT
I am in the tent with those convinced we already safely up and have enough points and gd so I was chilled throughout the game and felt no pressure at all.
But here’s the thing, the manager can’t send a team out on the basis we are safe if not mathematically so. because football is about getting a job done sometimes that means paying attention to risk, not entertaining us.
As a metaphor think of a government coming up to a tight re-election campaign, no longer playing to the party faithful or a conference audience but toning down the policy to de risk it.
It looked like a poor performance but it actually wasn’t that far away from a one nil win to us player and manager chaired from the field, so it’s completely okay with me to set the team up on the cautious side, such as four across middle sitting very deep and not supporting front to at all, that’s why we looked crap we deliberately didn’t go for it. Two points worse off and two points better off and we would have gone for it, the whole psychology would have been different. If I was in charge I would have done exactly the same as cocko. The comment about rodman playing as a left backall game I agree, but let’s be clear that wasn’t by accident but by design, if I was in charge I would have told him to hang back and not go gung ho today.
So yes, we agree what it looked like, but no it wasn’t an accident, they are not crap players, it was a game plan that I still back even though it didn’t work,
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 22, 2019 18:05:48 GMT
You have to go into games , especially at home, to win. Sooner watch us lose 3 - 4 than that dire performance. Trying to protect a point always gives the chance of a nil one like today. Like others they had players picking holes between are back four and midfield. We had no pace, no versatility, nothing.
Are you saying these were the tactics?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 22, 2019 18:17:05 GMT
We have been playing with fear at home since the first game of the season (Accrington), and I have to be honest this spreads to the terraces as well. It might just be me and Dr F who feel this way but Nichols is a talented footballer, fact. It can’t be any help for him when 80% of the fanbase are just waiting for a mistake, any mistake, just to get on his back again. There are far many more players today deserving of our ire.
We had an unbalanced squad in August and still have one today. Too many defensive midfielders, not enough wingers of any quality. I don’t get why GC is trying to turn Lockyer into a central defender cum quarterback, those 50 yard hail mary’s aren’t really doing much. We have one creative midfielder in the squad, Lines, and he can’t even warm the bench!
Too many 5-10 yard passes mis**t, too many lost causes given up too soon and not enough heart or desire. We don’t need a coaching revolution, this squad need a mind coach so that they can play on BS7 free of any fear.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 22, 2019 18:18:46 GMT
You have to go into games , especially at home, to win. Sooner watch us lose 3 - 4 than that dire performance. Trying to protect a point always gives the chance of a nil one like today. Like others they had players picking holes between are back four and midfield. We had no pace, no versatility, nothing. Are you saying these were the tactics? 😄. You saying we had no pace or versatility all season, such as the afternoon beat Blackpool four nil? Yes. I am saying today was all about the tactics. The tactic to get one more point rather than throw that point away in a 3 4 loss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:20:48 GMT
But here’s the thing, the manager can’t send a team out on the basis we are safe if not mathematically so. because football is about getting a job done sometimes that means paying attention to risk, not entertaining us. We were always going to lose today. The formation was wrong, we didn't react to what Rochdale did, it was desperate. Again, Nichols can come off after falling over when trying to run with the ball, we've watched the bloke 100 or more times now, when he's having one of these games he never improves as the game goes on, but we leave him there for 75 mins stinking the place out. Glad you are on the same wavelength as the manager, in which case maybe you can explain why, with goal difference not being part of the equation, the keeper didn't go up for the free kick and corner at the end? Are we safe? You tell me. Plenty of people left Adams Park quite happy a few years back, remind me how that worked out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:26:08 GMT
We have been playing with fear at home since the first game of the season (Accrington), and I have to be honest this spreads to the terraces as well. It might just be me and Dr F who feel this way but Nichols is a talented footballer, fact. It can’t be any help for him when 80% of the fanbase are just waiting for a mistake, any mistake, just to get on his back again. There are far many more players today deserving of our ire. Be serious. When Tom improved his effort most acknowledged that. The bloke literally fell over trying to run with the ball today, and it's not the first time he's done it either. Who else in the squad does that? Nobody wants any of our players to fail or play badly, but Tom doesn't help himself, see the example from today where he was just too lazy to chase their keeper, then a couple of mins later our keeper has a clearance deflected by a rushing player. Of course supporters are going to criticise that lack of effort, it would happen at any club, in any League, in any country in the entire world.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 22, 2019 18:34:23 GMT
We have been playing with fear at home since the first game of the season (Accrington), and I have to be honest this spreads to the terraces as well. It might just be me and Dr F who feel this way but Nichols is a talented footballer, fact. It can’t be any help for him when 80% of the fanbase are just waiting for a mistake, any mistake, just to get on his back again. There are far many more players today deserving of our ire. Be serious. When Tom improved his effort most acknowledged that. The bloke literally fell over trying to run with the ball today, and it's not the first time he's done it either. Who else in the squad does that? Nobody wants any of our players to fail or play badly, but Tom doesn't help himself, see the example from today where he was just too lazy to chase their keeper, then a couple of mins later our keeper has a clearance deflected by a rushing player. Of course supporters are going to criticise that lack of effort, it would happen at any club, in any League, in any country in the entire world. on today’s evidence you spelt JCH / Rodman / Upson / THD / Clarke (J) or Jakubiak wrong. Too many poor performances today, yet only one singled out for criticism. Plus ça change...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 18:54:17 GMT
Be serious. When Tom improved his effort most acknowledged that. The bloke literally fell over trying to run with the ball today, and it's not the first time he's done it either. Who else in the squad does that? Nobody wants any of our players to fail or play badly, but Tom doesn't help himself, see the example from today where he was just too lazy to chase their keeper, then a couple of mins later our keeper has a clearance deflected by a rushing player. Of course supporters are going to criticise that lack of effort, it would happen at any club, in any League, in any country in the entire world. on today’s evidence you spelt JCH / Rodman / Upson / THD / Clarke (J) or Jakubiak wrong. Too many poor performances today, yet only one singled out for criticism. Plus ça change... Only one fell over trying to run in a straight line.
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 22, 2019 20:43:21 GMT
match report extract from BBC site....
'Rovers turned in a woeful performance, Liam Sercombe going closest to a goal with a 78th minute shot from outside the box, which flashed inches wide.
It was a forgettable game of few scoring opportunities as Ethan Ebanks-Landell excelled at the heart of a strong visiting defence.'
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 22, 2019 20:44:05 GMT
I thought their defence looked pretty ropey. It was our rubbishness, not their good defence, which stopped us scoring
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Post by The Concept on Apr 22, 2019 20:46:18 GMT
Dire.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2019 7:47:35 GMT
I thought their defence looked pretty ropey. It was our rubbishness, not their good defence, which stopped us scoring I thought they looked ropey at the back as well. There was also a howler from their keeper at one point.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2019 7:48:24 GMT
match report extract from BBC site.... 'Rovers turned in a woeful performance, Liam Sercombe going closest to a goal with a 78th minute shot from outside the box, which flashed inches wide. It was a forgettable game of few scoring opportunities as Ethan Ebanks-Landell excelled at the heart of a strong visiting defence.' The closest shot was the one in the first half, surely?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Apr 23, 2019 8:02:59 GMT
We have been playing with fear at home since the first game of the season (Accrington), and I have to be honest this spreads to the terraces as well. It might just be me and Dr F who feel this way but Nichols is a talented footballer, fact. It can’t be any help for him when 80% of the fanbase are just waiting for a mistake, any mistake, just to get on his back again. There are far many more players today deserving of our ire. We had an unbalanced squad in August and still have one today. Too many defensive midfielders, not enough wingers of any quality. I don’t get why GC is trying to turn Lockyer into a central defender cum quarterback, those 50 yard hail mary’s aren’t really doing much. We have one creative midfielder in the squad, Lines, and he can’t even warm the bench! Too many 5-10 yard passes mis***, too many lost causes given up too soon and not enough heart or desire. We don’t need a coaching revolution, this squad need a mind coach so that they can play on BS7 free of any fear. The result of this game is not a good one, as we are not mathematically safe. Hence media is full of dire and player and manager getting slagged off. But it wasn’t so dire that there was only ever one winner. We could have scored first and gone on to win. We also looked pretty composed and organised throughout. I agree it’s about getting fear out the mind. But this team has been in a certain situation it’s needed to get out of, and the pressure plays on players but also tactics. at 2 o’clock cocko could have said to rod and serc, forget about your defensive duties, go seek some space, forget about what your full back behind you needs, get further forward and seek some space. Or he could say the opposite, whilst it’s level and we have a point be more disciplined and focus and your defensive shape. It was the right tactic for the start of this game in this situation. If fans turn up having already mentally banked wins at home to Bradford and Rochdale, then the fans are fools. We we had some good chances to have scored first. Why does goal of the season always have to be a screamer into the top corner? There was one fast flowing move box to box in second half that very nearly led not only a goal, but if it went it probably the best team goal you could hope to see. That moment wasnt dire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 8:52:49 GMT
I thought their defence looked pretty ropey. It was our rubbishness, not their good defence, which stopped us scoring I thought they looked ropey at the back as well. There was also a howler from their keeper at one point. Their keeper was fat, and by modern standards short. Looking at the state of him, and their goals conceded total, I can kind of see a connection, so we decided not to test him. Much better to mess around on the edge of the box for 5 minutes and then lose the ball without even getting a cross in. Brilliant.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 23, 2019 9:51:39 GMT
I thought they looked ropey at the back as well. There was also a howler from their keeper at one point. Their keeper was fat, and by modern standards short. Looking at the state of him, and their goals conceded total, I can kind of see a connection, so we decided not to test him. Much better to mess around on the edge of the box for 5 minutes and then lose the ball without even getting a cross in. Brilliant. I wish there was a LOL button. That made I laugh
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