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Post by insideuwe on Mar 17, 2019 12:47:36 GMT
It didn't take the people that matter long at UWE to work out that Wael couldn't be taken seriously, his interview confirmed this, once more dragging their name back into now an unwanted cold pot. They found out months ago that any man with an exaggerated sense of self importance and a craving for self admiration has a problem, an unpredictable temperament that would kill any deal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 12:58:42 GMT
I beg to differ. There has never been any indication of where exactly the pre-Christmas stadium was (if it even existed). "If" it had been UWE then 20man would have been all over it! And anyway "if" it was a 2nd attempt at UWE and it failed for the above alleged reasons... why were'nt we told at the time??? And again if it's down to NDA's, then Wael is now in breach. I think some people still want "to believe", and try and create a world in which Dwane Sports are genuinly trying to deliver a new stadium and training facility. My personal opinion is that at best, they are disingenuous. And have f*ck all money (well if they have any, Hani has it and won't let Wael touch it). Some people have been impressed with the interview. Cue the Doobie Brothers with "what a fool believes". My reasons for assuming Wael was referring to a second deal, are based largely on UWEâs statements. In August 2017 the UWE vice chancellor said that they had no idea why Rovers had pulled out and that they had no alternative uses for the land. An odd position to take if they were simply repurposing their own land. At the time, WAQ said that the deal was dead. When rumours about a second site surfaced, Wael neither confirmed or denied it was UWE during an interview. This time UWE has publicly stated that it has alternative uses in mind for the site. Wael also refers to 2 years of negotiations, which may be a rounding up of a figure - but there were only 18 months before the collapse of negotiations in 2017. As for Twentyman, (who I thought was excellent), he either didnât notice the possibility of two timelines, or simply thought it didnât matter. In his introduction to the second part of the interview he referred to the collapse of a revised deal with UWE. This could of course refer to either a revised version of whatever deal Higgs was running with, or a second attempt from the Al Qadis. As for the interview itself, I thought it was reasonably clear that without a takeover, or outside investment, Dwane Sports are not going to be constructing a new stadium anytime soon. Waelâs answers to questions about The Colony were incoherent and illogical, if funding really isnât an issue. If as Wael led us to believe they had more talks with UWE and they pulled out in december then his pr.is hopeless because at that time things couldn't have got much worse on the field and it was an ideal time to tell us that they had reached a deal with UWE only for them to pull out.infor that was the case why wait till now seems like smoke and mirrors to me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 14:59:32 GMT
It didn't take the people that matter long at UWE to work out that Wael couldn't be taken seriously, his interview confirmed this, once more dragging their name back into now an unwanted cold pot. They found out months ago that any man with an exaggerated sense of self importance and a craving for self admiration has a problem, an unpredictable temperament that would kill any deal. To be fair to Wael, he's always seemed calm, publicly he's not shown any sign of having an ''unpredictable temperament''. Unless of course I've missed something? Edit. BTW. 2 user names is poor form.
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Post by dido on Mar 17, 2019 16:34:53 GMT
Perhaps he's given up cider.
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Post by trunky on Mar 18, 2019 9:36:28 GMT
Why is anybody still listening to anything Wael has to say, the man is without doubt a compulsive liar,the day we manage to extract him from our club there will be champagne corks popping in our house. I can accept owners without a great deal of money but I cant accept somebody who is deceiving us at every opportunity.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2019 14:09:49 GMT
Itâs the first time I have heard football called an industry, itâs s business but I wouldnât call it an industry. As for feeling sorry for the family ? This is the same guy who was quite happy to tell people how easy it was to get the club and Iâd expect investment bankers to be at the top of the bunch for addressing due diligence. I feel indifferent on that as you surely would expect them to have done their background checks and known exactly what they were getting. As for the rest, just a variation on a theme. I really donât like the term in unlocking the value of the mem. Maybe I am being overly sensitive but it bothers me. My own opinion is that the longer it goes on, the harder it will become. I hope for the best but I do fear the worst. Umm...wrong house I didnât say anything about unlocking value of mem or the term âindustryâ Sorry, I was referring to the interview and automatically thought you would know that. My apologies
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2019 14:12:01 GMT
I thought Wael was referring to a second attempt to strike a deal with UWE (ref AMPG's post at 8.11pm), not the original attempt which we still know nothing about, other than the deal wasn't right for the club. Now UWE have decided to use the land for other purposes (which they have publicly confirmed), there is nothing confidential to reveal by confirming what UWE have already said. With the possibility of tuition fees being capped or reduced, UWE have clearly decided to go for the maximum return on their land as is their prerogative. I beg to differ. There has never been any indication of where exactly the pre-Christmas stadium was (if it even existed). "If" it had been UWE then 20man would have been all over it! And anyway "if" it was a 2nd attempt at UWE and it failed for the above alleged reasons... why were'nt we told at the time??? And again if it's down to NDA's, then Wael is now in breach. I think some people still want "to believe", and try and create a world in which Dwane Sports are genuinly trying to deliver a new stadium and training facility. My personal opinion is that at best, they are disingenuous. And have f*ck all money (well if they have any, Hani has it and won't let Wael touch it). Some people have been impressed with the interview. Cue the Doobie Brothers with "what a fool believes". Than post made I laugh. Nice one đ
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2019 14:23:04 GMT
I thought Wael was referring to a second attempt to strike a deal with UWE (ref AMPG's post at 8.11pm), not the original attempt which we still know nothing about, other than the deal wasn't right for the club. Now UWE have decided to use the land for other purposes (which they have publicly confirmed), there is nothing confidential to reveal by confirming what UWE have already said. With the possibility of tuition fees being capped or reduced, UWE have clearly decided to go for the maximum return on their land as is their prerogative. I beg to differ. There has never been any indication of where exactly the pre-Christmas stadium was (if it even existed). "If" it had been UWE then 20man would have been all over it! And anyway "if" it was a 2nd attempt at UWE and it failed for the above alleged reasons... why were'nt we told at the time??? And again if it's down to NDA's, then Wael is now in breach. I think some people still want "to believe", and try and create a world in which Dwane Sports are genuinly trying to deliver a new stadium and training facility. My personal opinion is that at best, they are disingenuous. And have f*ck all money (well if they have any, Hani has it and won't let Wael touch it). Some people have been impressed with the interview. Cue the Doobie Brothers with "what a fool believes". You may have a letter from the club to cease and desist lol. Seems a few are getting very touchy yet said they knew how football fans are, when I made the point of changes in opinion. I know of a couple ! Reminds me of Clive Dunn, in dadâs army. They donât like it up em
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2019 14:31:14 GMT
Exactly KP. In deals like this nobody gets 'sold a dud'. There are contracted terms, you don't exactly have a gun to your head forcing you to accept what's on offer. There are buyers whose role it is to buy, the seller sells, that's it and all about it. If a buyer allows a seller to 'sell' him anything then he's an idiot, he should judge every deal on its merit. Swiss suggested that there may be some cultural dynamics in play here, where they are used, because they have access to money, to being able to dictate terms in business. As for unlocking the value of the existing site, somehow I don't think that means building a new stadium in the same location. Yes I do think there are cultural differences in play. Usually when someone wishes us to put our faith in them we expect them to use their intellect, articulacy and track record in order to persuade us. But in Waelâs world it seems we are expected to ignore his contradictions and lack of substance and put our faith in him simply because he is a nice gently spoken football fan from a relatively wealthy family. This may not matter much when it comes to Gasheads but I do wonder what potential business partners like UWE or potential investors and their advisors think of it. And when he says âwe will either do it or die tryingâ who does he mean by âweâ ? I had an interesting conversation with 2 of the merchant venturers, when I was at a Bristol sporting club boxing night, around 3 weeks ago. Letâs just say that they do not have any confidence that Rovers will progress whilst under the current owners. I best not say more as itâs conjecture in anycase but that organisation do seem to be able to make or break things. Iâm pretty sure that padstow was right when he said guys of my age & older will not see anything new. I guess itâs up to each and every person what they want to believe. Vive la difference or, in this case plus ca change
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 23, 2019 14:42:58 GMT
My reasons for assuming Wael was referring to a second deal, are based largely on UWEâs statements. In August 2017 the UWE vice chancellor said that they had no idea why Rovers had pulled out and that they had no alternative uses for the land. An odd position to take if they were simply repurposing their own land. At the time, WAQ said that the deal was dead. When rumours about a second site surfaced, Wael neither confirmed or denied it was UWE during an interview. This time UWE has publicly stated that it has alternative uses in mind for the site. Wael also refers to 2 years of negotiations, which may be a rounding up of a figure - but there were only 18 months before the collapse of negotiations in 2017. As for Twentyman, (who I thought was excellent), he either didnât notice the possibility of two timelines, or simply thought it didnât matter. In his introduction to the second part of the interview he referred to the collapse of a revised deal with UWE. This could of course refer to either a revised version of whatever deal Higgs was running with, or a second attempt from the Al Qadis. As for the interview itself, I thought it was reasonably clear that without a takeover, or outside investment, Dwane Sports are not going to be constructing a new stadium anytime soon. Waelâs answers to questions about The Colony were incoherent and illogical, if funding really isnât an issue. If as Wael led us to believe they had more talks with UWE and they pulled out in december then his pr.is hopeless because at that time things couldn't have got much worse on the field and it was an ideal time to tell us that they had reached a deal with UWE only for them to pull out.infor that was the case why wait till now seems like smoke and mirrors to me It is always after a couple of wins. We certainly donât hear anything when on bad form. I donât know what others opinion is but, to me, he always sounds like an over enthusiastic kid and on the verge of giggling. It is true that our PR is awful & one would have expected that to have been addressed by now.
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Post by fanatical on Apr 1, 2019 17:10:18 GMT
Unless Wael has something definitive to say... there would appear to be very little point to this interview. So fingers crossed there is something he actually wants to convey. Maybe it's a preemptive strike to prepare us for the 2017-2018 accounts that have to be published by the end of the month? I remember 20man gave him quite a hard time a year or so ago and nothing significant has changed. He took Wael to task over rather fluffy "mission statements" and asked him about the lack of any coherent strategy to actually meet the overall objectives. Let's hope we're all pleasantly surprised. Hope springs eternal. UTG. By now we should have received notice of the AGM - does anyone know why not? Added to which the Accounts paperwork has yet to be filed at Companies House and are overdue. Someone was complaining after the game on Saturday that bills are being paid late again - is that true? Perhaps it is all just lazy accounting or is there anything more sinister? Is the Club solvent? Could this be the real reason the training ground is not happening, and all those offers to buy the Club come to nothing? Perhaps someone could enlighten us because the interview with the President told us nothing. WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 1, 2019 18:33:35 GMT
late submission is often a sign of a business under stress
the 8% shareholders have a right to know, surely?
absent the timely information required by the regulatory bodies, would anyone care to speculate?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 2, 2019 9:10:28 GMT
The lack of published accounts is worrying, though not unsurprising. A business under stress? Surely not? But they know what they're doing - right? They're in it for the "long run" - right? I speculate that the owners have been frantically treading water ever since the failed UWE deal. They have been obfuscating supporters for the last 18 months. There remains no evidence whatsoever that they were close to a new stadium deal at the back end of last year. If there is any evidence - can someone please enlighten me. Wael went into quite extraordinary detail about this new latest failed project - revealing it was in "Bristol or South Gloucestershire". No sh*t Wael. Talk is cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 9:19:53 GMT
The lack of published accounts is worrying, though not unsurprising. A business under stress? Surely not? But they know what they're doing - right? They're in it for the "long run" - right? I speculate that the owners have been frantically treading water ever since the failed UWE deal. They have been obfuscating supporters for the last 18 months. There remains no evidence whatsoever that they were close to a new stadium deal at the back end of last year. If there is any evidence - can someone please enlighten me. Wael went into quite extraordinary detail about this new latest failed project - revealing it was in "Bristol or South Gloucestershire". No sh*t Wael. Talk is cheap. I was personally disappointed he didn't go for the classic football cliché of being "In and around" Bristol. Missed opportunities like that tell me he's clearly not a "Real footballing man".
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 2, 2019 21:04:45 GMT
Knowall seems to be getting very animated at the other place
My read between the lines is that he is cross with WAQ for standing in the way of a takeover or new ground plan thing
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Post by Captain Jayho on Apr 3, 2019 6:50:20 GMT
Knowall seems to be getting very animated at the other place My read between the lines is that he is cross with WAQ for standing in the way of a takeover or new ground plan thing That was my read on it too. But then there's been that much preposterous BS on that thread it's impossible to take anything anyone says at face value any more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 11:30:53 GMT
Knowall seems to be getting very animated at the other place My read between the lines is that he is cross with WAQ for standing in the way of a takeover or new ground plan thing Knowall guessing wrong again and trying to cover his tracks?
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 3, 2019 11:37:53 GMT
IF there is/was/maybe a takeover how is Wael going to stop it exactly?
He is only 25% of Dwane Sports
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 13:12:44 GMT
IF there is/was/maybe a takeover how is Wael going to stop it exactly? He is only 25% of Dwane Sports Is he that much?
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 9, 2019 6:55:50 GMT
Tis the 9th. If they are still not filed it would seem something is amiss or afoot?
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