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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 23:50:27 GMT
he knows he hasn't got much to sell at the moment if he can get new stadium site with planning/Mem sale/training ground/Championship telly money/hotel/flats/cinema/shops into the prospects, it'll make a much better package Should have thought about that before throwing a strop with UWE and telling them the deal was off then, shouldn't he.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Mar 15, 2019 6:07:19 GMT
he knows he hasn't got much to sell at the moment if he can get new stadium site with planning/Mem sale/training ground/Championship telly money/hotel/flats/cinema/shops into the prospects, it'll make a much better package Should have thought about that before throwing a strop with UWE and telling them the deal was off then, shouldn't he. The ONLY reason he would have tried to change the UWE deal is if the current deal wasnât feasible and lost money or took decades to turn a profit. No way would the AQs turn it down completely. If they were just chancing it for better terms, eventually they would have accepted the deal as it stood. They may have done the club a favour. I personally think that deal stank and would have been bad for the club. They would have surely have accepted if it didnât. So, I feel sorry for the ALQs. I think they bought the club and deal in good faith and got sold a dud. Now they are fairly honourably propping is up with fairly good budgets and losing money until things change. I think they will not leave us worse than how they found us and will prop it up until they a: get a new stadium project that works or b/ sell us. The way he responded by saying âlook at the accounts for commitmentâ said a lot. He seemed slightly upset by that suggestion. My analysis is they agreed to prop us up until the above happens, which means they are losing a lot of money to us by honouring their responsibilities, which is why he gave that reaction. They probably arenât happy about that, and to have fans suggest they are doing the club over when they are bending over backwards to keep us at least in L1 is why he was taken aback.
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Post by crater on Mar 15, 2019 7:46:29 GMT
Isn't every club effectively 'up for sale'? Offer enough money and you could buy Manchester United
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:30:07 GMT
Isn't every club effectively 'up for sale'? Offer enough money and you could buy Manchester United Maybe not. People say that Kroenke keeps Arsenal purely so that he can boast about owning a Premier League Soccer club when he's at yacht parties alongside others of similar wealth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:30:49 GMT
Should have thought about that before throwing a strop with UWE and telling them the deal was off then, shouldn't he. The ONLY reason he would have tried to change the UWE deal is if the current deal wasnât feasible and lost money or took decades to turn a profit. Is it?
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 15, 2019 9:53:07 GMT
good spot Angas. 'We had the best deal for the club which was, uh, freehold' 'we thought we had it, but we were denied' I heard that as meaning BRFC wanted freehold, and that was on the table, although UWE decided on 'better use for the land, for their own purposes' - which might be one way of saying that asking for freehold was one of the sticking points
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 15, 2019 10:04:03 GMT
much better interview than last time I thought it was pretty much the same as last time. 20man did an excellent job, but couldn't elicit any meaningful responses. If people haven't had the opportunity to waste an hour of their life listening to the interview, I have provided the following response that covers most of it. Wael: "nothing concrete, nothing concrete, nothing concrete, nothing concrete, nothing concrete, nothing concrete, nothing concrete, nothing concrete. Nothing concrete".
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 15, 2019 10:30:45 GMT
good spot Angas. 'We had the best deal for the club which was, uh, freehold' 'we thought we had it, but we were denied' I heard that as meaning BRFC wanted freehold, and that was on the table, although UWE decided on 'better use for the land, for their own purposes' - which might be one way of saying that asking for freehold was one of the sticking points At 47:20 to 48:20. My transcript: (Not word perfect, but pretty damn close and I'm not 'twisting' anything here). On why the UWE deal collapsed... Wael: "They (UWE) decided they wanted a different use for their land" 20man: "Did you feel let down by them?" Wael: "Yes, of course." 20man: "You thought you were there did you?" Wael: "We thought we were there, but we were denied." 20man: "A lot of people though the problem was ownership, who owned the land, who had to pay this and that, and you thought you'd ironed it out". Wael: " We had the best deal for the club which was freehold, however it's their right, they wanted better use of the land for their own purposes." So let me get this right. The biggest opportunity for Bristol Rovers in three generations to acquire the freehold of a new stadium went down because "UWE changed their mind and decided not to sell". After 18 months of being kept in the dark about the UWE collapse - Wael covers the whole episode in 60 seconds. B*LLs**t. If that was the case then at the time we were would have been screaming "FOUL" from the rooftops, or it would have been leaked at the time. We had just been kicked where it hurts and UWE had just cost us ÂŁmillions of pounds in wasted consultancy fees, and time, and effort. If this was the case - why weren't we told at the time? This is how the Al-Qadi's would have (quite rightly) saved face. We would have understood. If it's down to NDA's - then Wael has just broken them and should face litigation. I'm not buying it. Any of it. At the risk of repeating myself - B*LLs**t.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:00:23 GMT
good spot Angas. 'We had the best deal for the club which was, uh, freehold' 'we thought we had it, but we were denied' I heard that as meaning BRFC wanted freehold, and that was on the table, although UWE decided on 'better use for the land, for their own purposes' - which might be one way of saying that asking for freehold was one of the sticking points At 47:20 to 48:20. My transcript: (Not word perfect, but pretty damn close and I'm not 'twisting' anything here). On why the UWE deal collapsed... Wael: "They (UWE) decided they wanted a different use for their land" 20man: "Did you feel let down by them?" Wael: "Yes, of course." 20man: "You thought you were there did you?" Wael: "We thought we were there, but we were denied." 20man: "A lot of people though the problem was ownership, who owned the land, who had to pay this and that, and you thought you'd ironed it out". Wael: " We had the best deal for the club which was freehold, however it's their right, they wanted better use of the land for their own purposes." So let me get this right. The biggest opportunity for Bristol Rovers in three generations to acquire the freehold of a new stadium went down because "UWE changed their mind and decided not to sell". After 18 months of being kept in the dark about the UWE collapse - Wael covers the whole episode in 60 seconds. B*LLs***. If that was the case then at the time we were would have been screaming "FOUL" from the rooftops, or it would have been leaked at the time. We had just been kicked where it hurts and UWE had just cost us ÂŁmillions of pounds in wasted consultancy fees, and time, and effort. If this was the case - why weren't we told at the time? This is how the Al-Qadi's would have (quite rightly) saved face. We would have understood. If it's down to NDA's - then Wael has just broken them and should face litigation. I'm not buying it. Any of it. At the risk of repeating myself - B*LLs***. Maybe GT should have asked him whether the problem was ROI for Wael and his family?
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Post by Angas on Mar 15, 2019 11:13:18 GMT
good spot Angas. 'We had the best deal for the club which was, uh, freehold' 'we thought we had it, but we were denied' I heard that as meaning BRFC wanted freehold, and that was on the table, although UWE decided on 'better use for the land, for their own purposes' - which might be one way of saying that asking for freehold was one of the sticking points Yes, I wasn't 100% sure what he was saying there either, hence the question mark. He did seem to be giving us more detail than previously, but it's all still on the vague side. Just have to see what develops as time goes on. As ever.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 15, 2019 13:50:47 GMT
Should have thought about that before throwing a strop with UWE and telling them the deal was off then, shouldn't he. The ONLY reason he would have tried to change the UWE deal is if the current deal wasnât feasible and lost money or took decades to turn a profit. No way would the AQs turn it down completely. If they were just chancing it for better terms, eventually they would have accepted the deal as it stood. They may have done the club a favour. I personally think that deal stank and would have been bad for the club. They would have surely have accepted if it didnât. So, I feel sorry for the ALQs. I think they bought the club and deal in good faith and got sold a dud. Now they are fairly honourably propping is up with fairly good budgets and losing money until things change. I think they will not leave us worse than how they found us and will prop it up until they a: get a new stadium project that works or b/ sell us. The way he responded by saying âlook at the accounts for commitmentâ said a lot. He seemed slightly upset by that suggestion. My analysis is they agreed to prop us up until the above happens, which means they are losing a lot of money to us by honouring their responsibilities, which is why he gave that reaction. They probably arenât happy about that, and to have fans suggest they are doing the club over when they are bending over backwards to keep us at least in L1 is why he was taken aback. Itâs the first time I have heard football called an industry, itâs s business but I wouldnât call it an industry. As for feeling sorry for the family ? This is the same guy who was quite happy to tell people how easy it was to get the club and Iâd expect investment bankers to be at the top of the bunch for addressing due diligence. I feel indifferent on that as you surely would expect them to have done their background checks and known exactly what they were getting. As for the rest, just a variation on a theme. I really donât like the term in unlocking the value of the mem. Maybe I am being overly sensitive but it bothers me. My own opinion is that the longer it goes on, the harder it will become. I hope for the best but I do fear the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 17:29:37 GMT
The ONLY reason he would have tried to change the UWE deal is if the current deal wasnât feasible and lost money or took decades to turn a profit. No way would the AQs turn it down completely. If they were just chancing it for better terms, eventually they would have accepted the deal as it stood. They may have done the club a favour. I personally think that deal stank and would have been bad for the club. They would have surely have accepted if it didnât. So, I feel sorry for the ALQs. I think they bought the club and deal in good faith and got sold a dud. Now they are fairly honourably propping is up with fairly good budgets and losing money until things change. I think they will not leave us worse than how they found us and will prop it up until they a: get a new stadium project that works or b/ sell us. The way he responded by saying âlook at the accounts for commitmentâ said a lot. He seemed slightly upset by that suggestion. My analysis is they agreed to prop us up until the above happens, which means they are losing a lot of money to us by honouring their responsibilities, which is why he gave that reaction. They probably arenât happy about that, and to have fans suggest they are doing the club over when they are bending over backwards to keep us at least in L1 is why he was taken aback. Itâs the first time I have heard football called an industry, itâs s business but I wouldnât call it an industry. As for feeling sorry for the family ? This is the same guy who was quite happy to tell people how easy it was to get the club and Iâd expect investment bankers to be at the top of the bunch for addressing due diligence. I feel indifferent on that as you surely would expect them to have done their background checks and known exactly what they were getting. As for the rest, just a variation on a theme. I really donât like the term in unlocking the value of the mem. Maybe I am being overly sensitive but it bothers me. My own opinion is that the longer it goes on, the harder it will become. I hope for the best but I do fear the worst. Exactly KP. In deals like this nobody gets 'sold a dud'. There are contracted terms, you don't exactly have a gun to your head forcing you to accept what's on offer. There are buyers whose role it is to buy, the seller sells, that's it and all about it. If a buyer allows a seller to 'sell' him anything then he's an idiot, he should judge every deal on its merit. Swiss suggested that there may be some cultural dynamics in play here, where they are used, because they have access to money, to being able to dictate terms in business. As for unlocking the value of the existing site, somehow I don't think that means building a new stadium in the same location.
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Post by womble on Mar 15, 2019 23:17:36 GMT
good spot Angas. 'We had the best deal for the club which was, uh, freehold' 'we thought we had it, but we were denied' I heard that as meaning BRFC wanted freehold, and that was on the table, although UWE decided on 'better use for the land, for their own purposes' - which might be one way of saying that asking for freehold was one of the sticking points At 47:20 to 48:20. My transcript: (Not word perfect, but pretty damn close and I'm not 'twisting' anything here). On why the UWE deal collapsed... Wael: "They (UWE) decided they wanted a different use for their land" 20man: "Did you feel let down by them?" Wael: "Yes, of course." 20man: "You thought you were there did you?" Wael: "We thought we were there, but we were denied." 20man: "A lot of people though the problem was ownership, who owned the land, who had to pay this and that, and you thought you'd ironed it out". Wael: " We had the best deal for the club which was freehold, however it's their right, they wanted better use of the land for their own purposes." So let me get this right. The biggest opportunity for Bristol Rovers in three generations to acquire the freehold of a new stadium went down because "UWE changed their mind and decided not to sell". After 18 months of being kept in the dark about the UWE collapse - Wael covers the whole episode in 60 seconds. B*LLs***. If that was the case then at the time we were would have been screaming "FOUL" from the rooftops, or it would have been leaked at the time. We had just been kicked where it hurts and UWE had just cost us ÂŁmillions of pounds in wasted consultancy fees, and time, and effort. If this was the case - why weren't we told at the time? This is how the Al-Qadi's would have (quite rightly) saved face. We would have understood. If it's down to NDA's - then Wael has just broken them and should face litigation. I'm not buying it. Any of it. At the risk of repeating myself - B*LLs***. I thought Wael was referring to a second attempt to strike a deal with UWE (ref AMPG's post at 8.11pm), not the original attempt which we still know nothing about, other than the deal wasn't right for the club. Now UWE have decided to use the land for other purposes (which they have publicly confirmed), there is nothing confidential to reveal by confirming what UWE have already said. With the possibility of tuition fees being capped or reduced, UWE have clearly decided to go for the maximum return on their land as is their prerogative.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 16, 2019 8:31:32 GMT
At 47:20 to 48:20. My transcript: (Not word perfect, but pretty damn close and I'm not 'twisting' anything here). On why the UWE deal collapsed... Wael: "They (UWE) decided they wanted a different use for their land" 20man: "Did you feel let down by them?" Wael: "Yes, of course." 20man: "You thought you were there did you?" Wael: "We thought we were there, but we were denied." 20man: "A lot of people though the problem was ownership, who owned the land, who had to pay this and that, and you thought you'd ironed it out". Wael: " We had the best deal for the club which was freehold, however it's their right, they wanted better use of the land for their own purposes." So let me get this right. The biggest opportunity for Bristol Rovers in three generations to acquire the freehold of a new stadium went down because "UWE changed their mind and decided not to sell". After 18 months of being kept in the dark about the UWE collapse - Wael covers the whole episode in 60 seconds. B*LLs***. If that was the case then at the time we were would have been screaming "FOUL" from the rooftops, or it would have been leaked at the time. We had just been kicked where it hurts and UWE had just cost us £millions of pounds in wasted consultancy fees, and time, and effort. If this was the case - why weren't we told at the time? This is how the Al-Qadi's would have (quite rightly) saved face. We would have understood. If it's down to NDA's - then Wael has just broken them and should face litigation. I'm not buying it. Any of it. At the risk of repeating myself - B*LLs***. I thought Wael was referring to a second attempt to strike a deal with UWE (ref AMPG's post at 8.11pm), not the original attempt which we still know nothing about, other than the deal wasn't right for the club. Now UWE have decided to use the land for other purposes (which they have publicly confirmed), there is nothing confidential to reveal by confirming what UWE have already said. With the possibility of tuition fees being capped or reduced, UWE have clearly decided to go for the maximum return on their land as is their prerogative. I beg to differ. There has never been any indication of where exactly the pre-Christmas stadium was (if it even existed). "If" it had been UWE then 20man would have been all over it! And anyway "if" it was a 2nd attempt at UWE and it failed for the above alleged reasons... why were'nt we told at the time??? And again if it's down to NDA's, then Wael is now in breach. I think some people still want "to believe", and try and create a world in which Dwane Sports are genuinly trying to deliver a new stadium and training facility. My personal opinion is that at best, they are disingenuous. And have f*ck all money (well if they have any, Hani has it and won't let Wael touch it). Some people have been impressed with the interview. Cue the Doobie Brothers with "what a fool believes".
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Post by womble on Mar 16, 2019 12:12:28 GMT
I thought Wael was referring to a second attempt to strike a deal with UWE (ref AMPG's post at 8.11pm), not the original attempt which we still know nothing about, other than the deal wasn't right for the club. Now UWE have decided to use the land for other purposes (which they have publicly confirmed), there is nothing confidential to reveal by confirming what UWE have already said. With the possibility of tuition fees being capped or reduced, UWE have clearly decided to go for the maximum return on their land as is their prerogative. I beg to differ. There has never been any indication of where exactly the pre-Christmas stadium was (if it even existed). "If" it had been UWE then 20man would have been all over it! And anyway "if" it was a 2nd attempt at UWE and it failed for the above alleged reasons... why were'nt we told at the time??? And again if it's down to NDA's, then Wael is now in breach. I think some people still want "to believe", and try and create a world in which Dwane Sports are genuinly trying to deliver a new stadium and training facility. My personal opinion is that at best, they are disingenuous. And have f*ck all money (well if they have any, Hani has it and won't let Wael touch it). Some people have been impressed with the interview. Cue the Doobie Brothers with "what a fool believes". My reasons for assuming Wael was referring to a second deal, are based largely on UWEâs statements. In August 2017 the UWE vice chancellor said that they had no idea why Rovers had pulled out and that they had no alternative uses for the land. An odd position to take if they were simply repurposing their own land. At the time, WAQ said that the deal was dead. When rumours about a second site surfaced, Wael neither confirmed or denied it was UWE during an interview. This time UWE has publicly stated that it has alternative uses in mind for the site. Wael also refers to 2 years of negotiations, which may be a rounding up of a figure - but there were only 18 months before the collapse of negotiations in 2017. As for Twentyman, (who I thought was excellent), he either didnât notice the possibility of two timelines, or simply thought it didnât matter. In his introduction to the second part of the interview he referred to the collapse of a revised deal with UWE. This could of course refer to either a revised version of whatever deal Higgs was running with, or a second attempt from the Al Qadis. As for the interview itself, I thought it was reasonably clear that without a takeover, or outside investment, Dwane Sports are not going to be constructing a new stadium anytime soon. Waelâs answers to questions about The Colony were incoherent and illogical, if funding really isnât an issue.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Mar 16, 2019 19:53:39 GMT
The ONLY reason he would have tried to change the UWE deal is if the current deal wasnât feasible and lost money or took decades to turn a profit. No way would the AQs turn it down completely. If they were just chancing it for better terms, eventually they would have accepted the deal as it stood. They may have done the club a favour. I personally think that deal stank and would have been bad for the club. They would have surely have accepted if it didnât. So, I feel sorry for the ALQs. I think they bought the club and deal in good faith and got sold a dud. Now they are fairly honourably propping is up with fairly good budgets and losing money until things change. I think they will not leave us worse than how they found us and will prop it up until they a: get a new stadium project that works or b/ sell us. The way he responded by saying âlook at the accounts for commitmentâ said a lot. He seemed slightly upset by that suggestion. My analysis is they agreed to prop us up until the above happens, which means they are losing a lot of money to us by honouring their responsibilities, which is why he gave that reaction. They probably arenât happy about that, and to have fans suggest they are doing the club over when they are bending over backwards to keep us at least in L1 is why he was taken aback. Itâs the first time I have heard football called an industry, itâs s business but I wouldnât call it an industry. As for feeling sorry for the family ? This is the same guy who was quite happy to tell people how easy it was to get the club and Iâd expect investment bankers to be at the top of the bunch for addressing due diligence. I feel indifferent on that as you surely would expect them to have done their background checks and known exactly what they were getting. As for the rest, just a variation on a theme. I really donât like the term in unlocking the value of the mem. Maybe I am being overly sensitive but it bothers me. My own opinion is that the longer it goes on, the harder it will become. I hope for the best but I do fear the worst. Umm...wrong house I didnât say anything about unlocking value of mem or the term âindustryâ
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Post by swissgas on Mar 16, 2019 22:32:12 GMT
Itâs the first time I have heard football called an industry, itâs s business but I wouldnât call it an industry. As for feeling sorry for the family ? This is the same guy who was quite happy to tell people how easy it was to get the club and Iâd expect investment bankers to be at the top of the bunch for addressing due diligence. I feel indifferent on that as you surely would expect them to have done their background checks and known exactly what they were getting. As for the rest, just a variation on a theme. I really donât like the term in unlocking the value of the mem. Maybe I am being overly sensitive but it bothers me. My own opinion is that the longer it goes on, the harder it will become. I hope for the best but I do fear the worst. Exactly KP. In deals like this nobody gets 'sold a dud'. There are contracted terms, you don't exactly have a gun to your head forcing you to accept what's on offer. There are buyers whose role it is to buy, the seller sells, that's it and all about it. If a buyer allows a seller to 'sell' him anything then he's an idiot, he should judge every deal on its merit. Swiss suggested that there may be some cultural dynamics in play here, where they are used, because they have access to money, to being able to dictate terms in business. As for unlocking the value of the existing site, somehow I don't think that means building a new stadium in the same location. Yes I do think there are cultural differences in play. Usually when someone wishes us to put our faith in them we expect them to use their intellect, articulacy and track record in order to persuade us. But in Waelâs world it seems we are expected to ignore his contradictions and lack of substance and put our faith in him simply because he is a nice gently spoken football fan from a relatively wealthy family. This may not matter much when it comes to Gasheads but I do wonder what potential business partners like UWE or potential investors and their advisors think of it. And when he says âwe will either do it or die tryingâ who does he mean by âweâ ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 22:45:03 GMT
Exactly KP. In deals like this nobody gets 'sold a dud'. There are contracted terms, you don't exactly have a gun to your head forcing you to accept what's on offer. There are buyers whose role it is to buy, the seller sells, that's it and all about it. If a buyer allows a seller to 'sell' him anything then he's an idiot, he should judge every deal on its merit. Swiss suggested that there may be some cultural dynamics in play here, where they are used, because they have access to money, to being able to dictate terms in business. As for unlocking the value of the existing site, somehow I don't think that means building a new stadium in the same location. Yes I do think there are cultural differences in play. Usually when someone wishes us to put our faith in them we expect them to use their intellect, articulacy and track record in order to persuade us. But in Waelâs world it seems we are expected to ignore his contradictions and lack of substance and put our faith in him simply because he is a nice gently spoken football fan from a relatively wealthy family. This may not matter much when it comes to Gasheads but I do wonder what potential business partners like UWE or potential investors and their advisors think of it. And when he says âwe will either do it or die tryingâ who does he mean by âweâ ? So was higgs "water tight" contract a cultural thing?
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 17, 2019 9:14:45 GMT
I beg to differ. There has never been any indication of where exactly the pre-Christmas stadium was (if it even existed). "If" it had been UWE then 20man would have been all over it! And anyway "if" it was a 2nd attempt at UWE and it failed for the above alleged reasons... why were'nt we told at the time??? And again if it's down to NDA's, then Wael is now in breach. I think some people still want "to believe", and try and create a world in which Dwane Sports are genuinly trying to deliver a new stadium and training facility. My personal opinion is that at best, they are disingenuous. And have f*ck all money (well if they have any, Hani has it and won't let Wael touch it). Some people have been impressed with the interview. Cue the Doobie Brothers with "what a fool believes". My reasons for assuming Wael was referring to a second deal, are based largely on UWEâs statements. In August 2017 the UWE vice chancellor said that they had no idea why Rovers had pulled out and that they had no alternative uses for the land. An odd position to take if they were simply repurposing their own land. At the time, WAQ said that the deal was dead. When rumours about a second site surfaced, Wael neither confirmed or denied it was UWE during an interview. This time UWE has publicly stated that it has alternative uses in mind for the site. Wael also refers to 2 years of negotiations, which may be a rounding up of a figure - but there were only 18 months before the collapse of negotiations in 2017. As for Twentyman, (who I thought was excellent), he either didnât notice the possibility of two timelines, or simply thought it didnât matter. In his introduction to the second part of the interview he referred to the collapse of a revised deal with UWE. This could of course refer to either a revised version of whatever deal Higgs was running with, or a second attempt from the Al Qadis. As for the interview itself, I thought it was reasonably clear that without a takeover, or outside investment, Dwane Sports are not going to be constructing a new stadium anytime soon. Waelâs answers to questions about The Colony were incoherent and illogical, if funding really isnât an issue. I think "incoherent and illogical" sums up the whole interview. I don't really think it's safe to assume anything... so I'll email the Club and ask them directly. I'm not being pedantic. The UWE collapse is the biggest blow to the Club since leaving Eastville. Wael has said things that need clarification. I have a feeling that he just went off piste and started talking b*llocks. If you kind of come at from that angle, it all begins to make 'sense'. I will update this thread when I receive an answer. UTG.
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Post by billyocean on Mar 17, 2019 11:12:02 GMT
The latest interview can be summed up in exactly the same way as the last one where someone left a comment simply saying
âAnother tale from Waelâ
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