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Post by fanatical on Mar 1, 2019 13:34:10 GMT
I find it strange that our CEO, who has only been in his job for just a short while, in his first significant decision dispensed with the services of a highly thought of manager and his second was to appoint a replacement. Was there a Board meeting to approve the appointment? Was there a selection process with other possible candidates?
Was anyone else involved in that decision? I imagine it must have had the approval of the Owners? Particularly as when he first arrived at 'Rovers owner Wael Al-Qadi said he had known Mr. Starnes for a long time. - really? I am intrigued that Wael knew someone who has been at Plymouth and Yeovil - how?
Of course, whilst we supporters knew very little if anything, about the new manager who had only very recently been involved at the Club it appears our CEO worked with the new guy previously at Plymouth.
Whilst I wish the new manager every success I hear that he has stated intentions to bring in his own backroom staff. This somewhat dismays me as currently we have more backroom people than first team squad players, so is he to get rid of the likes of Chris Hargreaves and Lee Mansell who have both certainly proven their value to Bristol Rovers?
I suppose what concerns me most of all is that our new CEO appears to be charged with changing things in and around the staff rather than finding a new home and bringing the training complex into being, something which the current owners have certainly failed miserably to do and appear not even wanting to do?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:43:06 GMT
Not sure all of that makes a huge amount of sense to me, but there's something in it.
If we had a sensible number of management staff and didn't have a London office, add up all of those costs and I wonder how far along the training ground could be, or what else could have been done with the money. Plenty of options rather than paying invisible people who operate in the shadows of a 3rd division club struggling to avoid relegation and losing the thick end of £2m a year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 13:47:25 GMT
I find it strange that our CEO, who has only been in his job for just a short while, in his first significant decision dispensed with the services of a highly thought of manager and his second was to appoint a replacement. Was there a Board meeting to approve the appointment? Was there a selection process with other possible candidates? Was anyone else involved in that decision? I imagine it must have had the approval of the Owners? Particularly as when he first arrived at 'Rovers owner Wael Al-Qadi said he had known Mr. Starnes for a long time. - really? I am intrigued that Wael knew someone who has been at Plymouth and Yeovil - how? Of course, whilst we supporters knew very little if anything, about the new manager who had only very recently been involved at the Club it appears our CEO worked with the new guy previously at Plymouth. Whilst I wish the new manager every success I hear that he has stated intentions to bring in his own backroom staff. This somewhat dismays me as currently we have more backroom people than first team squad players, so is he to get rid of the likes of Chris Hargreaves and Lee Mansell who have both certainly proven their value to Bristol Rovers? I suppose what concerns me most of all is that our new CEO appears to be charged with changing things in and around the staff rather than finding a new home and bringing the training complex into being, something which the current owners have certainly failed miserably to do and appear not even wanting to do? Why would the current owners want to find a new home or develop the training ground if they are about to sell up? Surely the main selling point is the clubs potential. |
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 1, 2019 13:57:23 GMT
Thought Dwyane were looking at the ground and training ground therefore not his responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 14:23:03 GMT
Regarding the thread title,i would imagine the CEO here to do the same job as any CEO at any company.
If the manager wants to bring in his own staff to support him at the end of the season that's fine and makes perfect sense to me.
I don't know if he does though.
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Post by vaughan on Mar 1, 2019 14:24:59 GMT
Fanatical,
I would reply, but you may write to the Moderator to get me banned on here as you did on the other Forum.
Please write to Steve Hamer and let him know or alternatively ask a question at the next CEO Q&A.
Omnipotent knowledge though.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 1, 2019 14:27:45 GMT
Not sure all of that makes a huge amount of sense to me, but there's something in it. If we had a sensible number of management staff and didn't have a London office, add up all of those costs and I wonder how far along the training ground could be, or what else could have been done with the money. Plenty of options rather than paying invisible people who operate in the shadows of a 3rd division club struggling to avoid relegation and losing the thick end of £2m a year.I'm pretty sure the annual running losses are around 'only' £600-£700k a year. Previous accounts had large write-offs in relation to the UWE / consultants. Just think. If we lost our lovely London office, and non-essential staff (Hamer, Starnes, Widdrington etc etc) - we could actually operate on an even keel. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 14:49:18 GMT
Not sure all of that makes a huge amount of sense to me, but there's something in it. If we had a sensible number of management staff and didn't have a London office, add up all of those costs and I wonder how far along the training ground could be, or what else could have been done with the money. Plenty of options rather than paying invisible people who operate in the shadows of a 3rd division club struggling to avoid relegation and losing the thick end of £2m a year.I'm pretty sure the annual running losses are around 'only' £600-£700k a year. Previous accounts had large write-offs in relation to the UWE / consultants. Just think. If we lost our lovely London office, and non-essential staff (Hamer, Starnes, Widdrington etc etc) - we could actually operate on an even keel. We don't know for sure where all of the money goes. But if you are comfortable with covering £700k PA, then if we culled the deadweight maybe Darrel could have landed his No 1 targets and we wouldn't be in serious danger of having Forest Green Rovers take our L1 place. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 15:15:25 GMT
Not sure all of that makes a huge amount of sense to me, but there's something in it. If we had a sensible number of management staff and didn't have a London office, add up all of those costs and I wonder how far along the training ground could be, or what else could have been done with the money. Plenty of options rather than paying invisible people who operate in the shadows of a 3rd division club struggling to avoid relegation and losing the thick end of £2m a year.I'm pretty sure the annual running losses are around 'only' £600-£700k a year. Previous accounts had large write-offs in relation to the UWE / consultants. Just think. If we lost our lovely London office, and non-essential staff (Hamer, Starnes, Widdrington etc etc) - we could actually operate on an even keel. I think we might be in for a shock when the latest set of accounts are published. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2019 15:37:07 GMT
I suppose what concerns me most of all is that our new CEO appears to be charged with changing things in and around the staff rather than finding a new home and bringing the training complex into being, something which the current owners have certainly failed miserably to do and appear not even wanting to do? in either his interview or that of Crazy Gang Landing Lights, it was said that the CEO runs the day-to-day while the Chair runs 'board matters'. That seems quite normal to me, and completely consistent with the above although Crazy Gang Landing Lights did speak some nonsense about people not understanding the difference between BRFC and DS, which struck me as disingenuous by comparison, I thought MS's interview answers refreshingly straightforward |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2019 15:38:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure the annual running losses are around 'only' £600-£700k a year. Previous accounts had large write-offs in relation to the UWE / consultants. Just think. If we lost our lovely London office, and non-essential staff (Hamer, Starnes, Widdrington etc etc) - we could actually operate on an even keel. I think we might be in for a shock when the latest set of accounts are published. because of the amount of secured debt spending now written off on whatever they were working on before Christmas because of the 'run rate' of general expenses or both, or other phil? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2019 15:39:42 GMT
I find it strange that our CEO, who has only been in his job for just a short while, in his first significant decision dispensed with the services of a highly thought of manager and his second was to appoint a replacement. Was there a Board meeting to approve the appointment? Was there a selection process with other possible candidates? Was anyone else involved in that decision? I imagine it must have had the approval of the Owners? Particularly as when he first arrived at 'Rovers owner Wael Al-Qadi said he had known Mr. Starnes for a long time. - really? I am intrigued that Wael knew someone who has been at Plymouth and Yeovil - how? Of course, whilst we supporters knew very little if anything, about the new manager who had only very recently been involved at the Club it appears our CEO worked with the new guy previously at Plymouth. Whilst I wish the new manager every success I hear that he has stated intentions to bring in his own backroom staff. This somewhat dismays me as currently we have more backroom people than first team squad players, so is he to get rid of the likes of Chris Hargreaves and Lee Mansell who have both certainly proven their value to Bristol Rovers? I suppose what concerns me most of all is that our new CEO appears to be charged with changing things in and around the staff rather than finding a new home and bringing the training complex into being, something which the current owners have certainly failed miserably to do and appear not even wanting to do? Why would the current owners want to find a new home or develop the training ground if they are about to sell up? Surely the main selling point is the clubs potential. to sell for more moolah with planning permission up and ready for both - like a 'kit car' or 'flat pack' (Ikea irony intended) and planning is very cheap compared with building |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:34:44 GMT
in either his interview or that of Crazy Gang Landing Lights, it was said that the CEO runs the day-to-day while the Chair runs 'board matters'. What board matters? What board? We're over 90% owned by Dwane Sports. They, and only they, if even they, have 'board matters' to run. Rovers are owned by Dwane Sports. Anybody else at the table is there to take orders. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2019 19:48:29 GMT
in either his interview or that of Crazy Gang Landing Lights, it was said that the CEO runs the day-to-day while the Chair runs 'board matters'. What board matters? What board? We're over 90% owned by Dwane Sports. They, and only they, if even they, have 'board matters' to run. Rovers are owned by Dwane Sports. Anybody else at the table is there to take orders. So he runs the board on behalf of shareholders. Standard practice |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 20:21:45 GMT
So he runs the board on behalf of shareholders. Standard practice I understand what standard practice means. Good practice, also. But I still fail to see the point. With plural ownership, different shareholders and stakeholders are represented by different directors. This was reflected by Bristol Rovers Supporters' Club investing something like a million pounds with the intention of sufficient representation at board level eventually to be able to veto certain firesales. Enough of this. The chairperson would then chair board meetings of directors reflecting different interests. But under the hegemony of 90% Dwane Sports ownership, there is no plurality of directors'/shareholders' interests to chair the debate around. So is Hamer a chairing a board of one? Or is he there to represent only Dwane Sports? Thereby to relay Dwane's orders to the CEO? I can't see the point. Send an email or phone in orders instead. This works, in so far as it does, for Chelski. |
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 1, 2019 21:34:20 GMT
I'm pretty sure the annual running losses are around 'only' £600-£700k a year. Previous accounts had large write-offs in relation to the UWE / consultants. Just think. If we lost our lovely London office, and non-essential staff (Hamer, Starnes, Widdrington etc etc) - we could actually operate on an even keel. I think we might be in for a shock when the latest set of accounts are published. Have we secured a larger, more expensive and more prestigous London office perchance? These charlatan owners can't shock me any more than they have over the last 18 months. But you never know. UTG. |
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Post by bondigas on Mar 1, 2019 22:16:40 GMT
Starnes is Wael's Joey, the guy behind the counter at Cribbs will tell you all if you pop in and see him, can't but feel important and ITK, he will tell you Starnes buttered up to Wael at a football conference, connection established. The main shareholder at Plymouth had worked Starnes out, lazy and he was on his way out as they had seen through him, panic, he rings Wael, hand puppet of Wael gets a job.
All a bit sad, but that's how the club operates now.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 2, 2019 0:16:16 GMT
So he runs the board on behalf of shareholders. Standard practice I understand what standard practice means. Good practice, also. But I still fail to see the point. With plural ownership, different shareholders and stakeholders are represented by different directors Nope - directors run functions within the business eg finance/sales/IT etc non-execs might sometimes keep an eye on behalf of particular shareholders, unofficially at least |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 0:23:05 GMT
I think we might be in for a shock when the latest set of accounts are published. because of the amount of secured debt spending now written off on whatever they were working on before Christmas because of the 'run rate' of general expenses or both, or other phil? The next set of accounts to be published only go up until the end of June 2018. To save guessing, anybody received a copy yet, they have to be filed by the end of this month. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 0:25:10 GMT
Why would the current owners want to find a new home or develop the training ground if they are about to sell up? Surely the main selling point is the clubs potential. to sell for more moolah with planning permission up and ready for both - like a 'kit car' or 'flat pack' (Ikea irony intended) and planning is very cheap compared with building Fully understand that AMPG but Fanatical/Knowall has been saying for some time that good news was imminent and I don’t think that he was hinting at planning permission for anything. |
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