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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 21:23:29 GMT
I was thinking of the late great Brian Moore’s commentary when Koeman scored a similar goal to put England out of World Cup qualification. ‘He’s going to flick one, he’s going to flick one...’ Zero creativity and two needless set pieces. Our home form is what will send us down. We aren't down yet, far from it. Sunderland worked like crazy, I honestly thought they would tire, but they just kept chasing us all over the pitch from first minute 'till last, no other L1 team is going to do that to us again this season. I can forgive the outfield players for the second goal, it's tough concentrating when you are gasping for breath, but Bonham and the manager need to take a long hard look at themselves, that goal was easily avoided. On the plus side, we won't have a load of in fighting about whether going to Wembley makes you a good or bad fan The keeper sets up his wall and then decides where to position himself just as all keepers do in that situation. Please explain what the manager was supposed to do once the kick was awarded?
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Post by gasheadpirate on Feb 23, 2019 21:34:14 GMT
I was thinking of the late great Brian Moore’s commentary when Koeman scored a similar goal to put England out of World Cup qualification. ‘He’s going to flick one, he’s going to flick one...’ Zero creativity and two needless set pieces. Our home form is what will send us down. We aren't down yet, far from it. Sunderland worked like crazy, I honestly thought they would tire, but they just kept chasing us all over the pitch from first minute 'till last, no other L1 team is going to do that to us again this season. I can forgive the outfield players for the second goal, it's tough concentrating when you are gasping for breath, but Bonham and the manager need to take a long hard look at themselves, that goal was easily avoided. On the plus side, we won't have a load of in fighting about whether going to Wembley makes you a good or bad fan On the last point you are correct. On today’s performance there is more chance of hell freezing over than us reaching Wembley. We are truly woeful at home. Looking forward to another season in League 2. 😩⚽️
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 21:57:35 GMT
We aren't down yet, far from it. Sunderland worked like crazy, I honestly thought they would tire, but they just kept chasing us all over the pitch from first minute 'till last, no other L1 team is going to do that to us again this season. I can forgive the outfield players for the second goal, it's tough concentrating when you are gasping for breath, but Bonham and the manager need to take a long hard look at themselves, that goal was easily avoided. On the plus side, we won't have a load of in fighting about whether going to Wembley makes you a good or bad fan The keeper sets up his wall and then decides where to position himself just as all keepers do in that situation. Please explain what the manager was supposed to do once the kick was awarded? Well Blue Butterfly / Rose Tinter Bloke, he could have tried what everybody around me was doing, screaming to the keeper to move the wall and / or get someone on the post to cover where it was frigging obvious the ball was heading. Instead he just stood there and watched. I'm guessing you were surprised when the ball hit the net. Just about sums you up, total apologist for any old rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 22:16:40 GMT
The keeper sets up his wall and then decides where to position himself just as all keepers do in that situation. Please explain what the manager was supposed to do once the kick was awarded? Well Blue Butterfly / Rose Tinter Bloke, he could have tried what everybody around me was doing, screaming to the keeper to move the wall and / or get someone on the post to cover where it was frigging obvious the ball was heading. Instead he just stood there and watched. I'm guessing you were surprised when the ball hit the net. Just about sums you up, total apologist for any old rubbish. So from inside his technical area coughlan was supposed to instruct his goalkeeper to rethink his wall and positioning? Reminds me of your absurd post about playing to the linesmans flag instead of the referees whistle. My advice is stick to posting about tom gorridge and ken masters etc and steer well clear of football.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 23:56:17 GMT
Well Blue Butterfly / Rose Tinter Bloke, he could have tried what everybody around me was doing, screaming to the keeper to move the wall and / or get someone on the post to cover where it was frigging obvious the ball was heading. Instead he just stood there and watched. I'm guessing you were surprised when the ball hit the net. Just about sums you up, total apologist for any old rubbish. So from inside his technical area coughlan was supposed to instruct his goalkeeper to rethink his wall and positioning? Reminds me of your absurd post about playing to the linesmans flag instead of the referees whistle. My advice is stick to posting about tom gorridge and ken masters etc and steer well clear of football. Luckily for me I don't have to take your advice, or I would be wrong about as many things as you are. So, in your ridiculous world the manager shouldn't attempt to communicate with players during a game. Best get a memo off to the Manager's association to stop them all doing it. You have written some daft stuff in the past, but this is a new level, even for you. One final thing, which you obviously missed, so I can help you out here. The manager said after Tuesday's game that if things didn't go well on Saturday he was happy to accept any criticism. So why not butt out and mind your business like a good little Troll, all I'm doing is what your latest love child asked us to do.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 24, 2019 0:01:55 GMT
Ollie Carke was w*nk. Reilly was a lighweight piece of cr*p. Both should have been off at half time. Best team won. No gripes. And then Wales. FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 0:39:11 GMT
So from inside his technical area coughlan was supposed to instruct his goalkeeper to rethink his wall and positioning? Reminds me of your absurd post about playing to the linesmans flag instead of the referees whistle. My advice is stick to posting about tom gorridge and ken masters etc and steer well clear of football. Luckily for me I don't have to take your advice, or I would be wrong about as many things as you are. So, in your ridiculous world the manager shouldn't attempt to communicate with players during a game. Best get a memo off to the Manager's association to stop them all doing it. You have written some daft stuff in the past, but this is a new level, even for you. One final thing, which you obviously missed, so I can help you out here. The manager said after Tuesday's game that if things didn't go well on Saturday he was happy to accept any criticism. So why not butt out and mind your business like a good little Troll, all I'm doing is what your latest love child asked us to do. So disagreeing with you means i am a troll? Just run it past me again how coughlan could change the wall and keeper position from inside his technical area? I mean would the ref and the sunderland players have waited while coughlan sorted things out?
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Post by DudeLebowski on Feb 24, 2019 1:18:54 GMT
Ollie Carke was w*nk. Reilly was a lighweight piece of cr*p. Both should have been off at half time. Best team won. No gripes. And then Wales. FFS. You forgot Sercombe. Blokes a passenger this season & we’re paying the price for carrying him. Can’t take corners, can’t cross, regularly hits the first man or balloons it out of play, zero creativity, can’t/doesn’t tackle. & I’m not having the ‘hes playing wide’ excuse. Dudes been given a blast at CM this season & he was s**te then as well. 2017/2018 Sercs seems long gone! Agree about OC though, how he took the shirt off Upson after Tuesday night is unbelievable (unless there were knocks/niggles involved, in which case i put my hands up)
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 24, 2019 8:42:11 GMT
Just got back!
Wow what a day. Balmy mem, big crowd, they turned up we turned up shame the players didn't turn up!
I thought Locks was m o m.... and apart from his ridiculous mistake that led to the corner of first goal, Craig had a decent match too. Can anyone remember Bonham having to make a save? Wyke fluffed his lines three times but by then we had committed more forward.
Woeful on our basics today....crossing, passing and shooting..... but also close control was missing. Poor all round. Two stupidly conceeded set pieces dictated us losing. Whilst not even making them break sweat on our set pieces. Again.
Ollie, Sercs, Rodman woeful. Reilly has Nichols syndrome when he works hard but is ineffective. The flanks struggled to get past their man or deliver anything useful.
Yes Sunderland oozed quality, but no pushing on to players from us when not in possession, and even when we did have the ball, little movement up front. No tempo in attack. Predictable. Sometimes playing the ball back into danger. This form will see us comfortably relegated.
Optimism in form of no one seriously expects us to beat top six teams, we need to win against teams around us and in mid table. But now we have to rely on results.
Another good sign is JCH won almost everything in the air - just unfortunately he had little support to nod or flick it on to! Maybe that's why he was allowed to win so much(?)!
We desperately need a win v Blackpool next week. Not just losing to Sunderland but most other teams around us got results they wanted so our recent luck with that ran out yesterday.
Tough times. Hold fast..
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Post by billyocean on Feb 24, 2019 9:46:01 GMT
Ollie Carke was w*nk. Reilly was a lighweight piece of cr*p. Both should have been off at half time. Best team won. No gripes. And then Wales. FFS. You forgot Sercombe. Blokes a passenger this season & we’re paying the price for carrying him. Can’t take corners, can’t cross, regularly hits the first man or balloons it out of play, zero creativity, can’t/doesn’t tackle. & I’m not having the ‘hes playing wide’ excuse. Dudes been given a blast at CM this season & he was s***e then as well. 2017/2018 Sercs seems long gone! Agree about OC though, how he took the shirt off Upson after Tuesday night is unbelievable (unless there were knocks/niggles involved, in which case i put my hands up) I thought the same. So many corners and free kicks completely wasted. Incredibly frustrating to watch. I also get the impression some of the better players look at it and think well I can’t do much more if that’s the service so why bother. On the positive side some great little passages of play in the second half, albeit too shortlived. Craig won so much in the air as did Agogo where we seemed to boss the midfield for periods. Sunderland’s defence way too strong for our limited quality. They’ve got McGeady. We’ve got Sercombe.
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 24, 2019 10:19:44 GMT
I know let's buy a strong forward who can win the ball and hold the ball, then not think about what happens when he does.
No second balls won, Reilly was a bit headless chicken, do I run beyond or stay close. Midfield were not my job to get close.
Lack of results at home, just down to tactics?
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Post by Igitur on Feb 24, 2019 10:39:59 GMT
OK, come on, let's be honest. We played badly yesterday, and we should not be thinking this way, but most fans were looking at 2 or 3 nils, or worse, this week, so to come away with one point over the two games and goal difference getting worse by 2 was not as bad for survival as most were thinking, except sadly results elsewhere on Saturday did not help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:04:19 GMT
Is lines injured if not why wasn't he on the bench. We had 2 defensive central midfielders on the pitch and 2 more on the bench.where is the creativity with 4 tacklers One assumes the two wide players in mid are supposed to create! One can assume all one likes but for them to do that they have to be given the tools to do it our defenders aren't going to provide them with a pass to run with neither are the 4 defensive ones so how can they create chances.you need 1 ball winner in the middle and 1 player who can actually find his team mates with a pass.didn't happen any time in the game yesterday. It strikes me that the manager was scared of a beating and in all honesty they should or even could have scored 5 or more with the clear chances they wasted
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:12:24 GMT
Just got back! Wow what a day. Balmy mem, big crowd, they turned up we turned up shame the players didn't turn up! I thought Locks was m o m.... and apart from his ridiculous mistake that led to the corner of first goal, Craig had a decent match too. Can anyone remember Bonham having to make a save? Wyke fluffed his lines three times but by then we had committed more forward. Woeful on our basics today....crossing, passing and shooting..... but also close control was missing. Poor all round. Two stupidly conceeded set pieces dictated us losing. Whilst not even making them break sweat on our set pieces. Again. Ollie, Sercs, Rodman woeful. Reilly has Nichols syndrome when he works hard but is ineffective. The flanks struggled to get past their man or deliver anything useful. Yes Sunderland oozed quality, but no pushing on to players from us when not in possession, and even when we did have the ball, little movement up front. No tempo in attack. Predictable. Sometimes playing the ball back into danger. This form will see us comfortably relegated. Optimism in form of no one seriously expects us to beat top six teams, we need to win against teams around us and in mid table. But now we have to rely on results. Another good sign is JCH won almost everything in the air - just unfortunately he had little support to nod or flick it on to! Maybe that's why he was allowed to win so much(?)! We desperately need a win v Blackpool next week. Not just losing to Sunderland but most other teams around us got results they wanted so our recent luck with that ran out yesterday. Tough times. Hold fast.. You obviously missed the 2 leg breaking attempts at a tackle late in 2nd half both were certain red cards but lucky for him he missed both times.as for the excuse of his standing leg was not in place he tried to be clever and knock it up the wing when the obvious thing to do was either nudge it into touch or if he is going to swing a led at it then sim for the car park.not rocket science he is an experienced defender and that was a novice mistake
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 24, 2019 13:21:40 GMT
Just got back! Wow what a day. Balmy mem, big crowd, they turned up we turned up shame the players didn't turn up! I thought Locks was m o m.... and apart from his ridiculous mistake that led to the corner of first goal, Craig had a decent match too. Can anyone remember Bonham having to make a save? Wyke fluffed his lines three times but by then we had committed more forward. Woeful on our basics today....crossing, passing and shooting..... but also close control was missing. Poor all round. Two stupidly conceeded set pieces dictated us losing. Whilst not even making them break sweat on our set pieces. Again. Ollie, Sercs, Rodman woeful. Reilly has Nichols syndrome when he works hard but is ineffective. The flanks struggled to get past their man or deliver anything useful. Yes Sunderland oozed quality, but no pushing on to players from us when not in possession, and even when we did have the ball, little movement up front. No tempo in attack. Predictable. Sometimes playing the ball back into danger. This form will see us comfortably relegated. Optimism in form of no one seriously expects us to beat top six teams, we need to win against teams around us and in mid table. But now we have to rely on results. Another good sign is JCH won almost everything in the air - just unfortunately he had little support to nod or flick it on to! Maybe that's why he was allowed to win so much(?)! We desperately need a win v Blackpool next week. Not just losing to Sunderland but most other teams around us got results they wanted so our recent luck with that ran out yesterday. Tough times. Hold fast.. You obviously missed the 2 leg breaking attempts at a tackle late in 2nd half bother were certain red cards but lucky for him he missed both times.as for the excuse of his standing leg was not in place he tried to be clever and knock it up the wing when the obvious thing to do was either nudge it into touch or if he is going to swing a led at it then sim for the car park.not rocket science he is an experienced defender and that was a novice mistake Whom are you referring to?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:25:02 GMT
You obviously missed the 2 leg breaking attempts at a tackle late in 2nd half bother were certain red cards but lucky for him he missed both times.as for the excuse of his standing leg was not in place he tried to be clever and knock it up the wing when the obvious thing to do was either nudge it into touch or if he is going to swing a led at it then sim for the car park.not rocket science he is an experienced defender and that was a novice mistake Whom are you referring to? Don't you mean to whom are you referring? Craig of course it was right in front of us and the linesman on the west side
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:45:06 GMT
Luckily for me I don't have to take your advice, or I would be wrong about as many things as you are. So, in your ridiculous world the manager shouldn't attempt to communicate with players during a game. Best get a memo off to the Manager's association to stop them all doing it. You have written some daft stuff in the past, but this is a new level, even for you. One final thing, which you obviously missed, so I can help you out here. The manager said after Tuesday's game that if things didn't go well on Saturday he was happy to accept any criticism. So why not butt out and mind your business like a good little Troll, all I'm doing is what your latest love child asked us to do. So disagreeing with you means i am a troll? Just run it past me again how coughlan could change the wall and keeper position from inside his technical area? I mean would the ref and the sunderland players have waited while coughlan sorted things out? Once again, have you never seen a manager attempting to communicate with defenders and his goalkeeper during a game? Obviously not or you wouldn't be attempting to make such a puerile point. OK, let's assume that you've guessed and got something right, which you haven't, but let's just play along and pretend that you have and managers can't communicate with players during a game. Why is it then that after so many crosses and corners in the first half being hit far too deep we didn't get anyone coming round the back in the second half so that when the exact same thing happened again, which it did, we could recycle the ball? The manager had his team sat in front of him all through half time. I hope he's sat at home watching and re-watching that game because if we can set up how Sunderland did and press the opposition midfield in the way that they pressed us we'll be a harder team to play against. PS. Masters is still a wittering twit and we need someone better than Gorringe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 15:08:47 GMT
Although a gas head I try,not always easy or successfully,to watch a game dispassionately which in some cases makes me appear overly critical of players unfortunately this is inbred through years of doing my job and that is a habit that is hard to break
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 24, 2019 15:09:07 GMT
Whom are you referring to? Don't you mean to whom are you referring? Craig of course it was right in front of us and the linesman on the west side Apologies, yes I do mean that. Thanks, I forgot the 'to'. I presume you mean "both" instead of "bother"? But "2nd half bother" might mean something to you Westonians.....? I'm on the East side. Ah, ok Craig. Now that you mention it, I do remember one. I'm guessing as he got away with that, you see that as a fundamentally bad thing? Ok, he has flaws, isn't perfect, but I thought he coped admirably yesterday and had a very decent match. Overall. I'm taking it you disagree. That's fine and dandy and great we are engaging.
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 24, 2019 17:10:20 GMT
Would you believe it: Just four years today on 24 Feb 2015 Rovers were playing Braintree in the Conference at the Mem. We managed a narrow 2-1 victory with goals from Matty Taylor and Ellis Harrison watched by 6,471 fans. In the Rovers number four shirt was Tom Lockyer.
On 28 Feb 2015 Sunderland were at Old Trafford playing Manchester United in the Premiership. United won 2-0 with two Wayne Rooney goals. 75,344 watched the game. In the number six shirt for the Black Cats was Lee Cattermole.
Yesterday in front of 10,009 at the Mem the Sunderland number six was Lee Cattermole while number 4 for Rovers was Tom Lockyer!
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