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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 15:59:11 GMT
Civil Service Sports Club site in Filton Avenue is it now being sold for housing reputed to worth £25m is this correct ? Where are our fans going to park now on matchdays ? Keep up, this is already covered on this forum. The purchase is reported to be delayed due to a covenant on the land. £25m seems to be the number that everybody is using, no idea where that number came from though. Typically selfish attitude displayed by a football supporter. No concern for extra pressure on local residential parking, all you care about is where people attending a sporting event will park.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 28, 2019 16:00:15 GMT
Can't help thinking that Filton is a missed opportunity. Given the transport infrastructure going in for the arena, this would have ticked a lot of boxes. do you think that was the other location, that had reached a dead end after time and money was spent, Wael tweeted about before Christmas? No idea. Just thought would have ticked boxes apart from, again, being able to buy the land! No idea if any pockets of land left there. There again, is there any land anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 16:14:49 GMT
do you think that was the other location, that had reached a dead end after time and money was spent, Wael tweeted about before Christmas? No idea. Just thought would have ticked boxes apart from, again, being able to buy the land! No idea if any pockets of land left there. There again, is there any land anywhere? The present site can have a 20,000 capacity stadium built on it, sure, we won't have a running track, creche, fun fair, space port or any of the other stuff planned for UWE, but plenty of other clubs get by without those things, and I have serious doubts as to whether, had UWE gone ahead, the income from them would have made it anywhere near the football club anyway.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 28, 2019 16:25:13 GMT
No idea. Just thought would have ticked boxes apart from, again, being able to buy the land! No idea if any pockets of land left there. There again, is there any land anywhere? The present site can have a 20,000 capacity stadium built on it, sure, we won't have a running track, creche, fun fair, space port or any of the other stuff planned for UWE, but plenty of other clubs get by without those things, and I have serious doubts as to whether, had UWE gone ahead, the income from them would have made it anywhere near the football club anyway. But how to fund a rebuild?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 16:45:15 GMT
The present site can have a 20,000 capacity stadium built on it, sure, we won't have a running track, creche, fun fair, space port or any of the other stuff planned for UWE, but plenty of other clubs get by without those things, and I have serious doubts as to whether, had UWE gone ahead, the income from them would have made it anywhere near the football club anyway. But how to fund a rebuild? Do it over an extended period, like Preston as an example. Preston did it over a 15 year period, so had the previous board invested in the stadium post-purchase we could have a fantastic little ground completed in 2013 but, oh, well, they mothballed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 17:00:34 GMT
The present site can have a 20,000 capacity stadium built on it, sure, we won't have a running track, creche, fun fair, space port or any of the other stuff planned for UWE, but plenty of other clubs get by without those things, and I have serious doubts as to whether, had UWE gone ahead, the income from them would have made it anywhere near the football club anyway. But how to fund a rebuild? What do you expect to happen when you buy a L1 football club that needs a new stadium? I've not noticed many Jordanian Dinar farting pixies hovering over BS7 recently.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 28, 2019 17:30:06 GMT
Civil Service Sports Club site in Filton Avenue is it now being sold for housing reputed to worth £25m is this correct ? Where are our fans going to park now on matchdays ? Keep up, this is already covered on this forum. The purchase is reported to be delayed due to a covenant on the land. £25m seems to be the number that everybody is using, no idea where that number came from though. Typically selfish attitude displayed by a football supporter. No concern for extra pressure on local residential parking, all you care about is where people attending a sporting event will park. My Auntie works in the club, so will try and find out a bit of info. Last I heard and it's on their website is their was a business plan/presentation put to the main CSSC board in December (which may or not have mentioned a covenant) for the club to remain open after the April stay of execution
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 28, 2019 19:13:04 GMT
Civil Service Sports Club site in Filton Avenue is it now being sold for housing reputed to worth £25m is this correct ? Where are our fans going to park now on matchdays ? Keep up, this is already covered on this forum. The purchase is reported to be delayed due to a covenant on the land. £25m seems to be the number that everybody is using, no idea where that number came from though. Typically selfish attitude displayed by a football supporter. No concern for extra pressure on local residential parking, all you care about is where people attending a sporting event will park. Keep up Bambi could not give a loss about extra pressure on local residents they bought houses which had a sports stadium since 1920 parking our cars is vital to enable us to attend. In actual fact since the Rugby Club left a few years ago so now less disruption as Rovers only play 20 plus times in a calendar year. The ungrateful locals get good trade in pubs, cafes, take aways and shops etc due to 9,000 customers spending money in their premises.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:16:33 GMT
Keep up, this is already covered on this forum. The purchase is reported to be delayed due to a covenant on the land. £25m seems to be the number that everybody is using, no idea where that number came from though. Typically selfish attitude displayed by a football supporter. No concern for extra pressure on local residential parking, all you care about is where people attending a sporting event will park. Keep up Bambi could not give a loss about extra pressure on local residents they bought houses which had a sports stadium since 1920 parking our cars is vital to enable us to attend. In actual fact since the Rugby Club left a few years ago so now less disruption as Rovers only play 20 plus times in a calendar year. The ungrateful locals get good trade in pubs, cafes, take aways and shops etc due to 9,000 customers spending money in their premises. are you being serious ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 13:34:35 GMT
Keep up Bambi could not give a loss about extra pressure on local residents they bought houses which had a sports stadium since 1920 parking our cars is vital to enable us to attend. In actual fact since the Rugby Club left a few years ago so now less disruption as Rovers only play 20 plus times in a calendar year. The ungrateful locals get good trade in pubs, cafes, take aways and shops etc due to 9,000 customers spending money in their premises. are you being serious ? No, not serious at all. He knows it's stupid stuff to say, he just hopes it will draw a reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 14:27:22 GMT
pointless debate really because firstly I think that any one over 50 has no chance of seeing rovers in a new stadium if ever and secondly by that time the motor car will be obsolete and we ,loosely speaking,will be buzzing around with jet packs so parking wont be an issue
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 14:32:01 GMT
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 29, 2019 14:51:18 GMT
No, not serious at all. He knows it's stupid stuff to say, he just hopes it will draw a reaction. What colour is that pot Bamber ? Black ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 18:59:37 GMT
No, not serious at all. He knows it's stupid stuff to say, he just hopes it will draw a reaction. What colour is that pot Bamber ? Black ? I'm looking for a bargain price juicer. Can you help?
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Post by johnjohnblue on Jan 29, 2019 19:35:20 GMT
Hi, this is JohnJohnBlue's first quick reponse to all the replies to the thread I started. Firstly thanks to all for taking the trouble. This is only a brief summarised response, at least for now. First main point is that I was fully aware that Chris Booy left the UWE Bog well before the official collapse of the deal. That does not mean that there was not a clear conflict of interests persisting over a long period of time that could have had a vital influence in the "evolution" of the deal. This would have dated from when he became a Director Of Bristol Sport in 2012, and then arranged the relocation of the Rugby club away from the Memorial Stadium, something that had an adverse effect on Rovers finances. One of the contributors rightly points out his involvement with the Merchants Venturers. You may also note that (the best of my knowledge) this involvement continues to the present day, and it was subsequently also joined by the VC of UWE. It would therefore not be unreasonable to presume that his influence would not necessarily terminated at the time he formally left the UWE BoG. Interestingly, I have found it impossible to ascertain the date or reason for him departure, just the approximate time (ie around late 2016/early 2017). Some one one has made the point that UWE are entitled to appoint who ever they wish to the BoG. That may well be true where there is not a clear conflict of interests, and this was the case when he joined sometime back around 2008. However that situation was significantly changed once the UWE stadium became a formal proposition. The Project meeting were regarded as highly confidential by UWE. So much so, they were the only agenda minutes that were not made public. How can it possibly be right that he had access to all the financial details, and possibly had influence over matters such pricing etc given his role as a Director Of Bristol Sport. This leads back tom my question or concern, how has this gone totally under the radar? I have to bear in mind legal matters and the rules of this forum, so there is not much more I can publicly state. I am trying my best the point "public interest" to areas that require further explanation or and investigation.
NB- A footnote to those who bang on about the possibility of expanding the Mem to 20,000 capacity. Of course, you could waste millions doing that. The simple fact is, the transport infrastructure (or lack of it) makes it virtually impossible to get crowds of that size in and out of Horfield. The Mem is simply in the wrong place. Nick Higg, knew it and said it, the Al-Qadis knew it and said it. And dare I suggest Bristol Sport know it. Because of it's location, the Memorial Stadium is a millstone around Rovers neck, and the only way they can get the opportunity to significantly progress as a club is to relocate to a site that can facilitate much larger crowds. Unfortunately, there is only one site with that infrastructure, UWE. Again, I suggest all the relevant parties know this, but given the apparent failure of the UWE project, are afraid to publicly acknowledge it. This is why the unreported conflict of interests is so important.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 29, 2019 20:15:58 GMT
This leads back tom my question or concern, how has this gone totally under the radar? I have to bear in mind legal matters and the rules of this forum, so there is not much more I can publicly state. I am trying my best the point "public interest" to areas that require further explanation or and investigation. tis IMO a good point johnjohn what might an interested person do to discover more I wonder?
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 30, 2019 22:32:14 GMT
Hi, this is JohnJohnBlue's first quick reponse to all the replies to the thread I started. Firstly thanks to all for taking the trouble. This is only a brief summarised response, at least for now. First main point is that I was fully aware that Chris Booy left the UWE Bog well before the official collapse of the deal. That does not mean that there was not a clear conflict of interests persisting over a long period of time that could have had a vital influence in the "evolution" of the deal. This would have dated from when he became a Director Of Bristol Sport in 2012, and then arranged the relocation of the Rugby club away from the Memorial Stadium, something that had an adverse effect on Rovers finances. One of the contributors rightly points out his involvement with the Merchants Venturers. You may also note that (the best of my knowledge) this involvement continues to the present day, and it was subsequently also joined by the VC of UWE. It would therefore not be unreasonable to presume that his influence would not necessarily terminated at the time he formally left the UWE BoG. Interestingly, I have found it impossible to ascertain the date or reason for him departure, just the approximate time (ie around late 2016/early 2017). Some one one has made the point that UWE are entitled to appoint who ever they wish to the BoG. That may well be true where there is not a clear conflict of interests, and this was the case when he joined sometime back around 2008. However that situation was significantly changed once the UWE stadium became a formal proposition. The Project meeting were regarded as highly confidential by UWE. So much so, they were the only agenda minutes that were not made public. How can it possibly be right that he had access to all the financial details, and possibly had influence over matters such pricing etc given his role as a Director Of Bristol Sport. This leads back tom my question or concern, how has this gone totally under the radar? I have to bear in mind legal matters and the rules of this forum, so there is not much more I can publicly state. I am trying my best the point "public interest" to areas that require further explanation or and investigation. NB- A footnote to those who bang on about the possibility of expanding the Mem to 20,000 capacity. Of course, you could waste millions doing that. The simple fact is, the transport infrastructure (or lack of it) makes it virtually impossible to get crowds of that size in and out of Horfield. The Mem is simply in the wrong place. Nick Higg, knew it and said it, the Al-Qadis knew it and said it. And dare I suggest Bristol Sport know it. Because of it's location, the Memorial Stadium is a millstone around Rovers neck, and the only way they can get the opportunity to significantly progress as a club is to relocate to a site that can facilitate much larger crowds. Unfortunately, there is only one site with that infrastructure, UWE. Again, I suggest all the relevant parties know this, but given the apparent failure of the UWE project, are afraid to publicly acknowledge it. This is why the unreported conflict of interests is so important. Surely if this is a big concern then it's something the ALQ's, or their advisors, needed to raise with the UWE? Unfortunately we're completely in the dark as to why talks collapsed. If it was down to something completely unrelated to the UWE's side then it's totally irrelevant. It seems from the announcement made in December the ALQ's are already looking at alternative sites, or at least that's the impression they want to give.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 31, 2019 10:29:32 GMT
This leads back tom my question or concern, how has this gone totally under the radar? I have to bear in mind legal matters and the rules of this forum, so there is not much more I can publicly state. I am trying my best the point "public interest" to areas that require further explanation or and investigation. tis IMO a good point johnjohn what might an interested person do to discover more I wonder? It certainly would give Lansdowns comment of, in years to come no one will speak of Bristol Rovers, more reason for looking into. We know he is a spiteful man by the buying of Taylor and the welcome to Bristol nonsense.
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Post by badbloodash on Jan 31, 2019 11:00:01 GMT
tis IMO a good point johnjohn what might an interested person do to discover more I wonder? It certainly would give Lansdowns comment of, in years to come no one will speak of Bristol Rovers, more reason for looking into. We know he is a spiteful man by the buying of Taylor and the welcome to Bristol nonsense. Landsdown is a very successful business man if he could corner the market by eliminating his only rival he would not hesitate sure us diehard gas would never swap sides but Bristol’s growing at an alarming rate and we would be forgotten in a generation I know of a least a couple of posters on here whose sons have gone over to the dark side one even asked his dad for a half season ticket for the piggery for Xmas I still think the knockback landsdown got from dunford hurts him he would love to finish us if he could
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:13:52 GMT
Because there aren't any big stadiums in residential areas. Even with stand design compromised by the enabling development, this design gave a capacity of 18,500 and planning was approved, so BCC were obviously happy with transport provision. That included people using facilities not directly related to football on match days, so no reason whatsoever why, without those facilities, you couldn't increase capacity. But of course, Wael knows about this and if there was any intention of doing anything he would be stood on a soap box telling us all about it. Student and key worker development
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