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Post by simonj on Oct 24, 2018 9:07:39 GMT
I am going to claim to be one of DC's biggest fans, I find him honest and refreshingly accepting of all his decisions. But, WTF was that formation about? Is the pressure of our basket case club getting the better of a good man? I have said it before, he will walk before pushed, and I am genuinely worried he is getting to the point of no return. I don't want him to go, but he needs to open his mind from the pressure of it all. Saturday, just go for it. Get crucified for losing 4-2 but stuff it, we do have the talent to compete and to win games, but not with Ollie Clarke supporting our loan forward. I was shaking my head most of the game last night, and im still doing it this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:09:19 GMT
Fair enough. But then you have to look at the consistency of performance of the whole team. I was at Burton, DC played the same tactic as last night and we lost in the last minute, our luck running out. Last night, against a very poor team, at home, he did it again, this time with Nicholls alone up front. Did their goalie have one save to make all game from open play? None, not one. In a game we had to win. Go figure. Was he just trying anything to grab a win so we can build on it Or Is he our Jose Stuck in what used to work Not moving with the times Stubborn? You cannot win unless you shoot at the goal. We didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:11:29 GMT
Btw
Why is DC hiding from post match interviews?
Something very wrong at our club
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:25:47 GMT
Fair enough. But then you have to look at the consistency of performance of the whole team. I was at Burton, DC played the same tactic as last night and we lost in the last minute, our luck running out. Last night, against a very poor team, at home, he did it again, this time with Nicholls alone up front. Did their goalie have one save to make all game from open play? None, not one. In a game we had to win. Go figure. Was he just trying anything to grab a win so we can build on it Or Is he our Jose Stuck in what used to work Not moving with the times Stubborn? Popular misconception with Mourinho. If he was stuck in his old ways he’d be a pragmatist when it came to his tactics, not a pragmatist when it comes to his football. Mourinho when he needed to used to play attacking football, defensive football, whatever it took to win the game. He’s now just become a football pragmatist, almost looking to win every game by spoiling and shutting up. I think that basically goes back to being overlooked for the Barcelona job, he’s basically gone about becoming the anti-Barca. It’s an interesting take on his Cruyffian education in football. As for DC, I haven’t a clue what he’s up too. Sure he would change things up a little but ok the whole we’d set up pretty similar week on week. I think when he isn’t getting results his s**t itches a little and he’s too quick to go “oh that’s not worked, I’ll try something different”. I’ve said it before but we’re awash with central midfielders and have imbalance in the squad. We basically have to play three in midfield from now on. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 24, 2018 9:43:40 GMT
Btw Why is DC hiding from post match interviews? Something very wrong at our club I have always thought that DC tends to send Marcus out for the 'easier' interviews eg after a win. Hence we haven't seen much of him this season don't necessarily disagree with you about the 2nd point though - there seems to be 'instability' on the 'non-playing side', or some such DC-like terminology |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 9:50:21 GMT
Awful performance, lifesaving result. Questions must be asked regarding tactical use of starting personnel. How our defence can get the basics so wrong as in not blocking crosses, non marking, ball watching, standing off attacking players, defending too deep etc.. Coaching must be diabolical as way too often we relied on the man of the season, Bonham to rescue us. Wimbledon should have been 3-0 up before we luckily scored (their keeps had a big part in that). And they missed two more gilt edged chances. I can't remember testing their keep once in open play. Going forward, we play one up front, again the only striker in all the league's that can't score. So in essence, no strikers. So many misplaced easy passes. We are claustrophobic in midfield, too narrow. Lityle natural width. No tempo. No forward movement. No imagination. No thought to our play. Side, back, hoof; or side, back and give ball away. DC says they work hard on training pitch. Is that separately? Rarely, we look dangerous attacking. If Wimbledon had been ruthless, they would have walked away with this match, make no mistake we were poor. We are so inconsistent, it's just taking the p!ss playing Nichols up front alone with the physicality and height of Wimbledon and although the result is a breath of fresh air - a very very lucky breath of fresh air - I'm afraid to say I see a manager getting basics wrong however lucky we were. Apologies to a vociferous AFC Wimbledon crowd tonight, fair play you turned out in numbers and sung your hearts out....I think someone's got your fillings cos you were well and truly robbed.. DC.... Stop taking the p!ss our of our club. Meanwhile over on AssHat they are lauding our defence! How many points would we have gained with Smith in goal? We would be bottom of the league, that's how good our defence is! Very strong words there about DC but I have to agree, it does feel like he is taking the piss in some form with his 40 odd changes in 12 or so games, narrow line ups and insistence on playing wingers on the wrong side. He has spectacularly lost the plot and is fast becoming (has already become?) a liability. If we had a few quid and a competant board full of footballing people I would give him his cards tomorrow (due to his stubbornness and inability to go back to basics) and spin the wheel of fortune. As it is we are potless and run by football's answer to the Chuckle Brothers and I dread to think who they and Widdrington would recruit to replace DC. So, for now, it feels 'better the devil we know'. You only have to look through all the leagues to know there is no such thing as playing wingers on the wrong side. In our division ronan curtis is tearing up the division,we had billy bodin doing great as an inverted winger and rodman/bennett mostly played on the left for their previous clubs. In top class football players like hazard and messi do it. Where have you been? I wont get into the other rubbish you have written as its just hate filled sound bite crap. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 24, 2018 9:50:24 GMT
Why is it always down to things like playing too narrow, too many changes. Can players not perform? Can recruitment be at fault. It seems to me if we lose or are on a bad run, some cognitive dissonance occurs. Basically, fully believe that every game can be won with a tactical change. Some games won’t be won with putting 3 instead of 4 or 4 instead of 3. There isn’t a secret glitch to winning games you know yet an entire club of professionals are ignorant of. It’s hugely arrogant to rock up on a Saturday, and claim if he had done the opposite of what we attempted we surely would have won. That isn’t true, but crucially, it’s impossible to prove otherwise. We got promoted twice on Clarke’s tactics. We don’t have the money or the squad to win every single week. Sometimes we play the long ball - do we always set out to do that? Probably not. Are the opposition midfield dominating and hence pressuring our defence into long balls - probably. Yet the usual “why does Clarke persist lumping long balls to Nichols” gets aired. Other usual suspects are “kick it forwards”. “Press high” etc etc. Sometimes there are valid concerns and I think DC knows what they are. As far as I can see, a load of people said that line up would lose because of the changes and formation, and we won, and those egos need protecting. In DC I trust, a far more qualified man to make decisions than me. well yeah, someone shouted at DC last night about the players pumping it long to Nichols and DC replied, "I didn't tell them to do that" and why would he of.
Regardless of whether Nichols is good enough or not, I don't believe any manager would play him up top on his own and instruct the players to pump it long to him. That is on the players.
Payne was called up after 15 mins and stood on the touchline ready to come on and it was basically a threat to the players that someone is getting dragged off in a minute and it seemed to ignite the players for a few minutes. Not a trick you can pull every game though
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Post by Angas on Oct 24, 2018 9:51:52 GMT
Btw Why is DC hiding from post match interviews? Something very wrong at our club I have always thought that DC tends to send Marcus out for the 'easier' interviews eg after a win. Hence we haven't seen much of him this season Yes. It started last season. The other lot did the same. Assistant for wins. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 24, 2018 9:57:04 GMT
"As for DC, I haven’t a clue what he’s up too."
No-one has. Absolutely no-one.
There is pretty much universal criticism about his starting XI and tactics. Reading the match day thread on Gasshat is interesting.
A goal-keeping howler and an own goal in the 'goals for' column. No width. No attacking intent. Nichols as a lone striker. WTF is going on???
I don't think I've ever read so much negativity after a win.
I just hope that "the takeover" materialises and off the field we get some direction. In turn this might give DC and the squad fresh impetus.
As things stands right now - we are a bottom third side and half the bottom third WILL BE RELEGATED.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 24, 2018 10:04:17 GMT
Meanwhile over on AssHat they are lauding our defence! How many points would we have gained with Smith in goal? We would be bottom of the league, that's how good our defence is! Very strong words there about DC but I have to agree, it does feel like he is taking the piss in some form with his 40 odd changes in 12 or so games, narrow line ups and insistence on playing wingers on the wrong side. He has spectacularly lost the plot and is fast becoming (has already become?) a liability. If we had a few quid and a competant board full of footballing people I would give him his cards tomorrow (due to his stubbornness and inability to go back to basics) and spin the wheel of fortune. As it is we are potless and run by football's answer to the Chuckle Brothers and I dread to think who they and Widdrington would recruit to replace DC. So, for now, it feels 'better the devil we know'. You only have to look through all the leagues to know there is no such thing as playing wingers on the wrong side. In our division ronan curtis is tearing up the division,we had billy bodin doing great as an inverted winger and rodman/bennett mostly played on the left for their previous clubs. In top class football players like hazard and messi do it. Where have you been? I wont get into the other rubbish you have written as its just hate filled sound bite crap. I think you may find that world class players like Messi, Hazard, Ronaldo, Neymar etc are able to play on the left, centre or on the right. It's because they are world class players. League One standard wide players are not able to do this. It is because they are League One standard players. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 24, 2018 10:08:24 GMT
You only have to look through all the leagues to know there is no such thing as playing wingers on the wrong side. In our division ronan curtis is tearing up the division,we had billy bodin doing great as an inverted winger and rodman/bennett mostly played on the left for their previous clubs. In top class football players like hazard and messi do it. Where have you been? I wont get into the other rubbish you have written as its just hate filled sound bite crap. I think you may find that world class players like Messi, Hazard, Ronaldo, Neymar etc are able to play on the left, centre or on the right. It's because they are world class players. League One standard wide players are not able to do this. It is because they are League One standard players. Well kind of.
I mean even at our level these are professional footballers.
They are paid to train football and play football, yet how many players do you see even at the highest level that can only kick a ball with one foot
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 10:12:45 GMT
Btw Why is DC hiding from post match interviews? Something very wrong at our club I have always thought that DC tends to send Marcus out for the 'easier' interviews eg after a win. Hence we haven't seen much of him this season don't necessarily disagree with you about the 2nd point though - there seems to be 'instability' on the 'non-playing side', or some such DC-like terminology I am beginning to think there is instability on the playing side now. Farcical line ups like last night, players missing. Where is Lines? We used to say in the old days that what starts in the boardroom ends up on the pitch. This really is starting to look like it this season. |
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Post by vaughan on Oct 24, 2018 10:51:57 GMT
Coaching leads to style of play leads to performance / results leads to player confidence and belief. A virtuous cycle.
Gerry Francis was a brilliant coach.
Darrell and staff are falling short.
Too deep, too slow, disjointed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 11:18:05 GMT
Coaching leads to style of play leads to performance / results leads to player confidence and belief. A virtuous cycle. Gerry Francis was a brilliant coach. Darrell and staff are falling short. Too deep, too slow, disjointed. I really don’t get the obsession on both forums with managers and teams of 30 years ago... Football has changed exponentially since then. Were people in the 80’s criticising managers and saying “Well, Bert Tann was better”. Compare to relevant compatriots not managers and teams 30 years ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 11:22:52 GMT
You only have to look through all the leagues to know there is no such thing as playing wingers on the wrong side. In our division ronan curtis is tearing up the division,we had billy bodin doing great as an inverted winger and rodman/bennett mostly played on the left for their previous clubs. In top class football players like hazard and messi do it. Where have you been? I wont get into the other rubbish you have written as its just hate filled sound bite crap. I think you may find that world class players like Messi, Hazard, Ronaldo, Neymar etc are able to play on the left, centre or on the right. It's because they are world class players. League One standard wide players are not able to do this. It is because they are League One standard players. Clearly not,our own billy bodin,the portsmouth winger ronan curtis this season and numerous others at all levels. Where have you been? This is common well known basic stuff! |
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Post by vaughan on Oct 24, 2018 13:03:03 GMT
I use Gerry Francis as an example. He worked on pattern of play and shape constantly, as I witnessed at Hambrook.
We look a poorly coached team. Our play reflects a lack of cohesion that can only come from the training ground. Changes in formation and personnel reflect a desperation to find a winning formula.
We surrender too mach space without the ball.
With it, the gaps between front and back are too big, we don't have defenders who step out with the ball, our play is stodgy and we don't use the full width of the pitch. That's why we struggle to create ANY chances. Too deep, too narrow and too slow in build-up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 13:51:29 GMT
I guess we have a choice at the moment, either play a bit further forward and attack the opposition, but then most likely go on another of those long runs where we ship goal after goal from crosses because nobody at the club can organise a defence who are turning and running towards their own goal, or play this stodgy garbage and just hope that we get lucky like we did last night and nick an occasional goal.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 24, 2018 14:15:35 GMT
I think you may find that world class players like Messi, Hazard, Ronaldo, Neymar etc are able to play on the left, centre or on the right. It's because they are world class players. League One standard wide players are not able to do this. It is because they are League One standard players. Clearly not,our own billy bodin,the portsmouth winger ronan curtis this season and numerous others at all levels. Where have you been? This is common well known basic stuff! Bodin now plays in the Championship. Curtis will either be promoted with Portsmouth, or find himself there with another Club. Your assertion that "numerous others at all levels" can play left, mid or right side of mid-field is fundamentally incorrect. If they can do it - they would be playing at a higher level. It would appear, and not for the first time, that we will have to agree to disagree. Said the straight man, to the late man, "where have you been"? |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 24, 2018 14:20:21 GMT
I use Gerry Francis as an example. He worked on pattern of play and shape constantly, as I witnessed at Hambrook. We look a poorly coached team. Our play reflects a lack of cohesion that can only come from the training ground. Changes in formation and personnel reflect a desperation to find a winning formula. We surrender too mach space without the ball. With it, the gaps between front and back are too big, we don't have defenders who step out with the ball, our play is stodgy and we don't use the full width of the pitch. That's why we struggle to create ANY chances. Too deep, too narrow and too slow in build-up. I've been trying to say that for weeks, but not as eloquently :-) That kind of football kills off energy and momentum, ending up with them making schoolboy errors. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 14:22:19 GMT
Meanwhile over on AssHat they are lauding our defence! How many points would we have gained with Smith in goal? We would be bottom of the league, that's how good our defence is! Very strong words there about DC but I have to agree, it does feel like he is taking the piss in some form with his 40 odd changes in 12 or so games, narrow line ups and insistence on playing wingers on the wrong side. He has spectacularly lost the plot and is fast becoming (has already become?) a liability. If we had a few quid and a competant board full of footballing people I would give him his cards tomorrow (due to his stubbornness and inability to go back to basics) and spin the wheel of fortune. As it is we are potless and run by football's answer to the Chuckle Brothers and I dread to think who they and Widdrington would recruit to replace DC. So, for now, it feels 'better the devil we know'. You only have to look through all the leagues to know there is no such thing as playing wingers on the wrong side. In our division ronan curtis is tearing up the division,we had billy bodin doing great as an inverted winger and rodman/bennett mostly played on the left for their previous clubs. In top class football players like hazard and messi do it. Where have you been? I wont get into the other rubbish you have written as its just hate filled sound bite crap. Well don't stop there Einstein, why don't you enlighten us all as to why it's not working and we went 5 games without scoring a goal and barely created a chance in most of them? |
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