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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2019 13:27:39 GMT
How's that gonna happen, though? Away grounds aren't going to monitor our paedos are they? There's no need to get emotionally hysterical about this. To me, it's quite simple : I actually disagree if he's been banned from watching. I'm not condoning his behaviour, but it isn't the club's responsibility to ban fans from attending if there hasn't been misconduct directly involving the club. Ban him from employment, that's fine. Don't ban him from being just a fan. I'm sure lots will disagree, but please formulate logistical argument instead of being fixated with outrage. I will try to address your points as given. I guess his photo will be sent to all of our opponents There are a fair amount who take their kids and many would not know of him. I know it’s speculation but if you read up about paedophilic behaviour then it can escalate to horrendous proportion. I think he would be in serious danger if he was seen at a game. He can watch in ifollow. I am a much more tolerant and forgiving human being than I used to be but I think there is just way too much potential for harm here and most likely to him. I would imagine he would be savvy enough to understand that it would be better if he doesn’t go. I won’t apologise for saying that I think he should be banned. Some things are just beyond the pale and this is one. That’s it my friend. Given you ask for reasons for him not to go, can you give any reasoning why you think he should ? I can't give a good reason why anyone would go atm! In fact it could be argued that forced attendance would be punishment enough. Sorry for factitious remark. I guess I'm just a bit more liberal than others. As his conviction was not football related, I think the justice system has been applied and that's it. Extra ban by rovers is extra punishment and where do you draw the line with it? Anyone convicted of anything gets a ban? So I guess if it happened at Mem, or was organised in club's time or had direct link with Rovers I could advocate a ban because that's also bringing our club into disrepute.
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Post by Rex on Sept 20, 2019 19:27:00 GMT
How's that gonna happen, though? Away grounds aren't going to monitor our paedos are they? There's no need to get emotionally hysterical about this. To me, it's quite simple : I actually disagree if he's been banned from watching. I'm not condoning his behaviour, but it isn't the club's responsibility to ban fans from attending if there hasn't been misconduct directly involving the club. Ban him from employment, that's fine. Don't ban him from being just a fan. I'm sure lots will disagree, but please formulate logistical argument instead of being fixated with outrage. I will try to address your points as given. I guess his photo will be sent to all of our opponents There are a fair amount who take their kids and many would not know of him. I know it’s speculation but if you read up about paedophilic behaviour then it can escalate to horrendous proportion. I think he would be in serious danger if he was seen at a game. He can watch in ifollow. I am a much more tolerant and forgiving human being than I used to be but I think there is just way too much potential for harm here and most likely to him. I would imagine he would be savvy enough to understand that it would be better if he doesn’t go. I won’t apologise for saying that I think he should be banned. Some things are just beyond the pale and this is one. That’s it my friend. Given you ask for reasons for him not to go, can you give any reasoning why you think he should ?I'm pretty sure Jim knows he would be daft to show up at Rovers again, so I think the ban is superfluous. If we are going to start banning people for crimes, where are we going to draw the line and what period of time do we put on it. I knew of a Rovers fan who robbed and beat the crap out of an elderly woman a few years back, a despicable, cowardly crime which I would argue is worse than trying to meet an imaginary child - and just in case someone does try ant take what I typed there out of context, of course I am not defending in any way what Jim Staynings did. Do we ban drink drivers who have hurt someone but not those who didn't?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2019 7:25:21 GMT
Yes it seems strange to me to want to ban a fan, and yet no one called for someone like Lee Hughes to be banned from football stadia?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2019 10:37:24 GMT
I will try to address your points as given. I guess his photo will be sent to all of our opponents There are a fair amount who take their kids and many would not know of him. I know it’s speculation but if you read up about paedophilic behaviour then it can escalate to horrendous proportion. I think he would be in serious danger if he was seen at a game. He can watch in ifollow. I am a much more tolerant and forgiving human being than I used to be but I think there is just way too much potential for harm here and most likely to him. I would imagine he would be savvy enough to understand that it would be better if he doesn’t go. I won’t apologise for saying that I think he should be banned. Some things are just beyond the pale and this is one. That’s it my friend. Given you ask for reasons for him not to go, can you give any reasoning why you think he should ?I'm pretty sure Jim knows he would be daft to show up at Rovers again, so I think the ban is superfluous. If we are going to start banning people for crimes, where are we going to draw the line and what period of time do we put on it. I knew of a Rovers fan who robbed and beat the crap out of an elderly woman a few years back, a despicable, cowardly crime which I would argue is worse than trying to meet an imaginary child - and just in case someone does try ant take what I typed there out of context, of course I am not defending in any way what Jim Staynings did. Do we ban drink drivers who have hurt someone but not those who didn't? I hear and understand what you are saying and I cannot answer you on where we draw the line. I would hazard a guess that his ban is more to do with his profile, within the club rather than being a standard supporter. It’s not me that sets the rules but the law and public deem sexual offences, more heinous than that of others. You say imaginary child but we both know this could not have been the case & we also are not privy to whether there is history. I just think that it’s better for him to not come. People have been angered over plastic snakes but the club have been consistent in what they will and will not tolerate. It’s just my opinion that the ban is in the best interests of all concerned. Oddly enough, I had a friend request from him, on Facebook and I guess after reading this. He used a different name. I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2019 10:39:57 GMT
I will try to address your points as given. I guess his photo will be sent to all of our opponents There are a fair amount who take their kids and many would not know of him. I know it’s speculation but if you read up about paedophilic behaviour then it can escalate to horrendous proportion. I think he would be in serious danger if he was seen at a game. He can watch in ifollow. I am a much more tolerant and forgiving human being than I used to be but I think there is just way too much potential for harm here and most likely to him. I would imagine he would be savvy enough to understand that it would be better if he doesn’t go. I won’t apologise for saying that I think he should be banned. Some things are just beyond the pale and this is one. That’s it my friend. Given you ask for reasons for him not to go, can you give any reasoning why you think he should ? I can't give a good reason why anyone would go atm! In fact it could be argued that forced attendance would be punishment enough. Sorry for factitious remark. I guess I'm just a bit more liberal than others. As his conviction was not football related, I think the justice system has been applied and that's it. Extra ban by rovers is extra punishment and where do you draw the line with it? Anyone convicted of anything gets a ban? So I guess if it happened at Mem, or was organised in club's time or had direct link with Rovers I could advocate a ban because that's also bringing our club into disrepute. Your first sentence had me really belly laugh mate. Nice one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 11:04:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure Jim knows he would be daft to show up at Rovers again, so I think the ban is superfluous. If we are going to start banning people for crimes, where are we going to draw the line and what period of time do we put on it. I knew of a Rovers fan who robbed and beat the crap out of an elderly woman a few years back, a despicable, cowardly crime which I would argue is worse than trying to meet an imaginary child - and just in case someone does try ant take what I typed there out of context, of course I am not defending in any way what Jim Staynings did. Do we ban drink drivers who have hurt someone but not those who didn't? I hear and understand what you are saying and I cannot answer you on where we draw the line. I would hazard a guess that his ban is more to do with his profile, within the club rather than being a standard supporter. It’s not me that sets the rules but the law and public deem sexual offences, more heinous than that of others. You say imaginary child but we both know this could not have been the case & we also are not privy to whether there is history. I just think that it’s better for him to not come. People have been angered over plastic snakes but the club have been consistent in what they will and will not tolerate. It’s just my opinion that the ban is in the best interests of all concerned. Oddly enough, I had a friend request from him, on Facebook and I guess after reading this. He used a different name. I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. apart from the copper/child he had 3 others the rat was talking to exchanging pictures and messages,
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2019 11:28:32 GMT
I hear and understand what you are saying and I cannot answer you on where we draw the line. I would hazard a guess that his ban is more to do with his profile, within the club rather than being a standard supporter. It’s not me that sets the rules but the law and public deem sexual offences, more heinous than that of others. You say imaginary child but we both know this could not have been the case & we also are not privy to whether there is history. I just think that it’s better for him to not come. People have been angered over plastic snakes but the club have been consistent in what they will and will not tolerate. It’s just my opinion that the ban is in the best interests of all concerned. Oddly enough, I had a friend request from him, on Facebook and I guess after reading this. He used a different name. I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. apart from the copper/child he had 3 others the rat was talking to exchanging pictures and messages, There you have it, case in point. Only the OB will know the whole story. Thanks for the information
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 12:39:57 GMT
I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. Behave yourself, KP, you write well. A nuanced and perfectly coherent response, bud. JS obtained photographs from real children too. He's not welcome here, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 21, 2019 16:18:23 GMT
I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. Behave yourself, KP, you write well. A nuanced and perfectly coherent response, bud. JS obtained photographs from real children too. He's not welcome here, as far as I'm concerned. High praise indeed, thank you kind sir.
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Post by Rex on Sept 21, 2019 20:25:05 GMT
I hear and understand what you are saying and I cannot answer you on where we draw the line. I would hazard a guess that his ban is more to do with his profile, within the club rather than being a standard supporter. It’s not me that sets the rules but the law and public deem sexual offences, more heinous than that of others. You say imaginary child but we both know this could not have been the case & we also are not privy to whether there is history. I just think that it’s better for him to not come. People have been angered over plastic snakes but the club have been consistent in what they will and will not tolerate. It’s just my opinion that the ban is in the best interests of all concerned. Oddly enough, I had a friend request from him, on Facebook and I guess after reading this. He used a different name. I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. apart from the copper/child he had 3 others the rat was talking to exchanging pictures and messages, Yes I did see that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 21:11:52 GMT
When’s the next History Group meeting?
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Post by Rex on Sept 21, 2019 21:14:52 GMT
When’s the next History Group meeting? The first rule of History Group meeting ….
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Post by trymer on Sept 23, 2019 13:36:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure Jim knows he would be daft to show up at Rovers again, so I think the ban is superfluous. If we are going to start banning people for crimes, where are we going to draw the line and what period of time do we put on it. I knew of a Rovers fan who robbed and beat the crap out of an elderly woman a few years back, a despicable, cowardly crime which I would argue is worse than trying to meet an imaginary child - and just in case someone does try ant take what I typed there out of context, of course I am not defending in any way what Jim Staynings did. Do we ban drink drivers who have hurt someone but not those who didn't? I hear and understand what you are saying and I cannot answer you on where we draw the line. I would hazard a guess that his ban is more to do with his profile, within the club rather than being a standard supporter. It’s not me that sets the rules but the law and public deem sexual offences, more heinous than that of others. You say imaginary child but we both know this could not have been the case & we also are not privy to whether there is history. I just think that it’s better for him to not come. People have been angered over plastic snakes but the club have been consistent in what they will and will not tolerate. It’s just my opinion that the ban is in the best interests of all concerned. Oddly enough, I had a friend request from him, on Facebook and I guess after reading this. He used a different name. I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. Surely he should have been banned from using the internet ? The club seem to have been more decisive than the authorities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 1:28:27 GMT
I hear and understand what you are saying and I cannot answer you on where we draw the line. I would hazard a guess that his ban is more to do with his profile, within the club rather than being a standard supporter. It’s not me that sets the rules but the law and public deem sexual offences, more heinous than that of others. You say imaginary child but we both know this could not have been the case & we also are not privy to whether there is history. I just think that it’s better for him to not come. People have been angered over plastic snakes but the club have been consistent in what they will and will not tolerate. It’s just my opinion that the ban is in the best interests of all concerned. Oddly enough, I had a friend request from him, on Facebook and I guess after reading this. He used a different name. I wish I could reply more coherently and with a better response but I cannot. Surely he should have been banned from using the internet ? The club seem to have been more decisive than the authorities. i learnt of the rat in late april but had to sit on it, when i seen it post on the fb forums i felt pissed right off, i alerted the police as he had already pleaded guilty straight away but they looked into it and didnt block him from the internet
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 24, 2019 8:04:21 GMT
When’s the next History Group meeting? Weds 11 December at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common,7-9pm.
All welcome.
The second Rovers History Day will be 14 March 2020 at the Mem before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar. A display of items relating to previous meetings between both clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 8:57:21 GMT
When’s the next History Group meeting? Weds 11 December at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common,7-9pm.
All welcome.
The second Rovers History Day will be 14 March 2020 at the Mem before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar. A display of items relating to previous meetings between both clubs.
Skim read this to start off with and genuinely thought there was going to be a History Group display of previous History Group Meetings.
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Post by Igitur on Sept 24, 2019 9:10:01 GMT
When’s the next History Group meeting? Weds 11 December at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common,7-9pm.
All welcome.
The second Rovers History Day will be 14 March 2020 at the Mem before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar. A display of items relating to previous meetings between both clubs.
Perhaps the group could advise the club how to make a Supporters Bar look like something alluding to Bristol Rovers. Initially, after the redecoration, there were sterile clinically blank walls; now we have two or three banners hanging poorly from the ceiling. Quite frankly it is embarrassing.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 24, 2019 9:12:39 GMT
Weds 11 December at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common,7-9pm.
All welcome.
The second Rovers History Day will be 14 March 2020 at the Mem before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar. A display of items relating to previous meetings between both clubs.
Perhaps the group could advise the club how to make a Supporters Bar look like something alluding to Bristol Rovers. Initially, after the redecoration, there were sterile clinically blank walls; now we have two or three banners hanging poorly from the ceiling. Quite frankly it is embarrassing. Think exactly the same. Cleaner lines but no real historic feel
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Post by trymer on Sept 24, 2019 10:22:17 GMT
Surely he should have been banned from using the internet ? The club seem to have been more decisive than the authorities. i learnt of the rat in late april but had to sit on it, when i seen it post on the fb forums i felt pissed right off, i alerted the police as he had already pleaded guilty straight away but they looked into it and didnt block him from the internet
I find it ridiculous that he isn't banned from the internet but I expect that would be against his 'human rights',what a sad society we live in.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 24, 2019 10:56:39 GMT
Weds 11 December at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common,7-9pm.
All welcome.
The second Rovers History Day will be 14 March 2020 at the Mem before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar. A display of items relating to previous meetings between both clubs.
Perhaps the group could advise the club how to make a Supporters Bar look like something alluding to Bristol Rovers. Initially, after the redecoration, there were sterile clinically blank walls; now we have two or three banners hanging poorly from the ceiling. Quite frankly it is embarrassing. Our History Group has lots of historical items relating to the Club's long history and would support a permanent museum be it in the Supporters Club bar or elsewhere in the Stadium but our group's finances preclude us for contributing to this. Perhaps once Clarke Harris is sold come January the owners may address the issue ! Or perhaps we could wait till the New Stadium at the Fruit Market is completed.
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