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Post by The Concept on Sept 23, 2018 21:49:28 GMT
My understanding is that for the Coventry game the Family Stand was only available to people who had bought season tickets to sit there.
Due to a change in the layout - from the original plans - season ticket holders were invited to check their allocated seat, and change if it wasn't up to expectations.
Somewhere in the region of 80 season tickets were sold in advance.
The stand will be available on general sale for all forthcoming games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:02:19 GMT
You can see on the highlights, it was mostly empty yesterday. If you can't fill it at the grand opening, when the alternative is to stand in non-stop rain.... Sad that nobody from the club thought to walk along the East Terrace and invite families who were stood in the rain to go sit in empty seats in the dry, but hey, Gorringe would probably have wanted more money. The bloke is literally employed to maximise income and reduce losses. Why is this such a bad thing? I’m genuinely perplexed. Because the way businesses grow in the long term is by client retention and growing your customer base, not by alienating existing clients and trying to squeeze every last penny you can out of them. Building relationships with clients is tough, there are often lots of them and they all like to be treated as individuals. Yesterday was a massive fail if you were one of the families stood in the rain for 2 hours and you watch the highlights today and see empty seats in what is supposed to be a family stand. What a great opportunity to build loyalty and make some people feel special, missed. Hands up everyone who is surprised, anyone, don't be shy, come on, pop your hands up.... Add to that, his communication is woeful, bordering on arrogant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:11:15 GMT
171 x £22 x 25 = £94,050. If I was being creative with the accountancy I would argue that for 80% of games each bum in one of those seats is additional revenue. Even at 50% occupancy it's an additional 50 grand. How much did it cost? Less than that. And it's getting more families in the ground, in the dry, sat down. Seems worth doing to me. It does look terrible, and makes us look tin pot. But that's where we are. I would rather someone magicked up a £10M stand or a new stadium. But whoever's idea it was deserves credit for at least thinking in the right direction. Yesterday it was about 2/3’s full with half of those being people in club lanyards or youth team players. Oh, and John Kayes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:13:10 GMT
The bloke is literally employed to maximise income and reduce losses. Why is this such a bad thing? I’m genuinely perplexed. Because the way businesses grow in the long term is by client retention and growing your customer base, not by alienating existing clients and trying to squeeze every last penny you can out of them. Building relationships with clients is tough, there are often lots of them and they all like to be treated as individuals. Yesterday was a massive fail if you were one of the families stood in the rain for 2 hours and you watch the highlights today and see empty seats in what is supposed to be a family stand. What a great opportunity to build loyalty and make some people feel special, missed. Hands up everyone who is surprised, anyone, don't be shy, come on, pop your hands up.... Add to that, his communication is woeful, bordering on arrogant. Im a bit confused,you want more people to sit in the dry but you dont actually want the stand??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 22:40:46 GMT
Because the way businesses grow in the long term is by client retention and growing your customer base, not by alienating existing clients and trying to squeeze every last penny you can out of them. Building relationships with clients is tough, there are often lots of them and they all like to be treated as individuals. Yesterday was a massive fail if you were one of the families stood in the rain for 2 hours and you watch the highlights today and see empty seats in what is supposed to be a family stand. What a great opportunity to build loyalty and make some people feel special, missed. Hands up everyone who is surprised, anyone, don't be shy, come on, pop your hands up.... Add to that, his communication is woeful, bordering on arrogant. Im a bit confused,you want more people to sit in the dry but you dont actually want the stand?? Has a 5 year old hacked your account again?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 23:31:51 GMT
Im a bit confused,you want more people to sit in the dry but you dont actually want the stand?? Has a 5 year old hacked your account again? Your such a bundle of laughs
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 24, 2018 5:11:04 GMT
The bloke is literally employed to maximise income and reduce losses. Why is this such a bad thing? I’m genuinely perplexed. Because the way businesses grow in the long term is by client retention and growing your customer base, not by alienating existing clients and trying to squeeze every last penny you can out of them. Building relationships with clients is tough, there are often lots of them and they all like to be treated as individuals. Yesterday was a massive fail if you were one of the families stood in the rain for 2 hours and you watch the highlights today and see empty seats in what is supposed to be a family stand. What a great opportunity to build loyalty and make some people feel special, missed. Hands up everyone who is surprised, anyone, don't be shy, come on, pop your hands up.... Add to that, his communication is woeful, bordering on arrogant. Tom G has done his job has he not? Beer price has gone up, but explained incontext to the local area/other clubs. Bars have been succesful. Not much hint of ripping fans off their. Perhaps fans are actually happy to pay the same as around noe there is somewhere half decent to drink in the ground. Tom has obviously done a lot of work with the 1883 club, local Gasheass firms and people have been used to deliver work at The Mem. Food pricing has been explained, but again you dont have to buy it. Whilst we are in a s**t ground we need to maximise revenue as best as possible. Thats his job. Not sure why he gets stick for that. If there is another reason, fair enough but doing what appears to be a decent job on the face of it so far seems a weird thing to give him stick for
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 24, 2018 6:16:57 GMT
You can see on the highlights, it was mostly empty yesterday. If you can't fill it at the grand opening, when the alternative is to stand in non-stop rain.... Sad that nobody from the club thought to walk along the East Terrace and invite families who were stood in the rain to go sit in empty seats in the dry, but hey, Gorringe would probably have wanted more money. It wasn't full because there was no general sale for the stand on Saturday. The 100 or so that were in there were all season ticket holders and they were given the chance to select which seat they wanted to secure for the rest of the season. Hence the lady with the lanyard and the clip board.
As reported by those who actually decided to sit there, it provides a good alternative to the South Stand for families and at a better price. There is a good view of the warm up and teams coming on to the pitch, which is more of a spectacle for younger fans. In addition the proximity to the Thatcher's End gives more atmosphere.
Not confirmed by the club, but I understand there was a scaling down, possibly based on advance season ticket sales.
Is it ideal? No, but it is a temporary stand - hopefully because there are negotiations behind the scenes for something much, much more substantial. Negotiations that are appropriately being kept confidential.
The only embarrassing thing, in my opinion, is the reaction of many and this pathetic petition. A little checking reveals much of the adverse reaction is from the same people that were moaning when the stand didn't appear before the season.
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Post by otleygas on Sept 24, 2018 7:26:34 GMT
I haven’t yet seen the new stand “in person”. However what did those who are complaining expect it to look like? I can’t really see why it is any worse than the other temporary structures we have around the place. Yes, embarrassing - but no more embarrassing than what we have already.
Hopefully the rumours are true and this is just a stop gap and UWE will be back on.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Sept 24, 2018 7:35:32 GMT
So you’ve started a petition to take down a structure, that is aimed to get more families attending Rovers games!
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Post by jungleboogie on Sept 24, 2018 8:19:03 GMT
The stand does look absolutely shocking, but doesn't come close to the embarrassment of wasting time to start a petition to get it taken down!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 8:26:10 GMT
Well for the first time since I have been following the club, someone is talking about spending money to increase turnover and make a return on investment. I guess if demand for seats outstrips supply and this gets another couple of hundred seats in, then it's sensible investment. So to answer Willy's question: yes it will increase turnover and therefore the playing budget. Not by much, but add that to the refurbished bars then maybe it all adds up. What is more important is that someone at the club is thinking in the right way. It does look terrible, I give you that. The big question would be would spending £5M on a stand stop the club losing close to £2M a year and is that worth it? Not strictly true it will not increase capacity because for every 1 seat your installation you lose 2.3 standing places so the 300 or so seats havery cost 690 standing places in capacity.how is that increasing turnover especially as those standing were mainly adults where's a 50% of those seated are youngstersso in effect 690 at 15 pounds app 10.000 whereas 300 at perhaps 20 for 2 is 300k so a net loss of up to 7000
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 8:32:26 GMT
The loans may have been repaid but the club still owe them but now it's to dwayne sports not ex directors spot the difference. As is the wonga loan rovers still owe it but under a different guise .we are now deeper in debt than we have ever been and losing up to 2m per year.it's all well and good siding with the current incumbents but what would your reaction have been if NH had leased an office in central London costing 250.000 per year.you would have been apoplectic I have never stated either way whether the London office is worthwhile, simply that they have chosen to do it and that is the owners perogative They could save themselves some money there, and that is all the argument ever was in the past under NH and co, but Dwane obviously see a business need The club has relied on loans for however long. Unless someone comes along and has money to burn or aomeone wants to write it off that will always be the case. I cant argue that debt is at record levels, Pretty sure Bolton, Sunderland etc racked up 100m debts the most important thing is what agreements are in place or what is decided at any given time That doesnt mean i am happy with it or agree with it, but how much of the debt was to pay people off and cover over people mistakes. If we are pointing figures at DS, they still need pointing at the old custodians. It cant just be ignored when people are slagging the Al-Qadis off endlessly What matters now are the next steps if DS have cold feet Come now Simon I know your feelings about the previous regimes going back to 2006 but the way you bend over backwards to defend one that is spending more money than ever before and leaving the club deeper in debt is a bit of a joke.talk about poacher turned gamekeeper
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Post by One F in Dunford on Sept 24, 2018 8:35:49 GMT
The stand does look absolutely shocking, but doesn't come close to the embarrassment of wasting time to start a petition to get it taken down! Spot on jungleboogie, I think a local village must be missing an idiot!
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 24, 2018 8:52:32 GMT
The stand does look absolutely shocking, but doesn't come close to the embarrassment of wasting time to start a petition to get it taken down!
Doesn't look that bad in my opinion and it serves the purpose it was intended for. We very rarely fill the East Terrace, so the only inconvenience is that some people have had to shuffle 20m over.
It will be interesting to see what demand there is for future games, when open sale is allowed.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 24, 2018 9:02:47 GMT
I have never stated either way whether the London office is worthwhile, simply that they have chosen to do it and that is the owners perogative They could save themselves some money there, and that is all the argument ever was in the past under NH and co, but Dwane obviously see a business need The club has relied on loans for however long. Unless someone comes along and has money to burn or aomeone wants to write it off that will always be the case. I cant argue that debt is at record levels, Pretty sure Bolton, Sunderland etc racked up 100m debts the most important thing is what agreements are in place or what is decided at any given time That doesnt mean i am happy with it or agree with it, but how much of the debt was to pay people off and cover over people mistakes. If we are pointing figures at DS, they still need pointing at the old custodians. It cant just be ignored when people are slagging the Al-Qadis off endlessly What matters now are the next steps if DS have cold feet Come now Simon I know your feelings about the previous regimes going back to 2006 but the way you bend over backwards to defend one that is spending more money than ever before and leaving the club deeper in debt is a bit of a joke.talk about poacher turned gamekeeper Spending more money then ever, yes. But isn't on things that are supposed to benefit the club in the long run, more/better staff coaches, land for a training facility (why it hasn't started is another issue), employing fresh people and ideas and things that just need doing because they have been ignored for so long.
I don't blame Nick Higgs for chasing the UWE per se, but more the myopia of the venture at the expense of the other things falling down around them.
I am not even saying the Al-Qadis are the answer to our prayers, but they have been keeping the club going. Doesn't mean they can't do better they can, but they have also done a hell of a lot that has not happened before. Stuff we sure wouldn't have seen under the previous stewardship and we would still be playing in the same stadium we are now, with the same old faces running the show
Has it been a great change? It hasn't been perfect, but some of the arguments and criticisms of the new ownership have been blown way out of proportion (and that isn't necessarily aimed at anyone on this message board in general)
People have bought into a dream that was never sold in the first place
If DS want out, then as I say it's about the right deal for all parties. Whilst I disagree with the way Swiss posted it, I understand the sentiment. We as fans should absolutely be ready if something goes south quickly and puts the club in trouble, however we all know Rovers fans can shout a lot on the internet, but when it comes to action..... at least Vaughn has started a petition for the stand. It's a start. Maybe he should have gone for the full no confidence vote in the owners, for less ridicule
Poacher turned gamekeeper? Maybe. But I have come to peace with things I can do little to control or affect, I just can't abide the endless stick from some sections of the fan base and what appears to have been a series of 'leaks' from someone/people deliberately trying to undermine the owners from Day 1
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Post by fanatical on Sept 24, 2018 9:17:47 GMT
STOP - ALL YOU SILLY SAD MOANING MINNIES - AND JUST THINK - however pathetic you think the stand looks - A BLIND MAN WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT -think yourselves lucky you can.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 24, 2018 9:33:54 GMT
The stand does look absolutely shocking, but doesn't come close to the embarrassment of wasting time to start a petition to get it taken down!
Doesn't look that bad in my opinion and it serves the purpose it was intended for. We very rarely fill the East Terrace, so the only inconvenience is that some people have had to shuffle 20m over.
It will be interesting to see what demand there is for future games, when open sale is allowed.
apart from the pillars, it doesn't look too bad in that photo I'm wondering what all the fuss is about
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 24, 2018 9:36:18 GMT
Impressive!!! What will Sunderland make of it?If you click on the pic it looks much nicer. I still can't see what all the fuss is about - it's not exactly Santa's Grotto
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 10:03:23 GMT
Come now Simon I know your feelings about the previous regimes going back to 2006 but the way you bend over backwards to defend one that is spending more money than ever before and leaving the club deeper in debt is a bit of a joke.talk about poacher turned gamekeeper Spending more money then ever, yes. But isn't on things that are supposed to benefit the club in the long run, more/better staff coaches, land for a training facility (why it hasn't started is another issue), employing fresh people and ideas and things that just need doing because they have been ignored for so long.
I don't blame Nick Higgs for chasing the UWE per se, but more the myopia of the venture at the expense of the other things falling down around them.
I am not even saying the Al-Qadis are the answer to our prayers, but they have been keeping the club going. Doesn't mean they can't do better they can, but they have also done a hell of a lot that has not happened before. Stuff we sure wouldn't have seen under the previous stewardship and we would still be playing in the same stadium we are now, with the same old faces running the show
Has it been a great change? It hasn't been perfect, but some of the arguments and criticisms of the new ownership have been blown way out of proportion (and that isn't necessarily aimed at anyone on this message board in general)
People have bought into a dream that was never sold in the first place
If DS want out, then as I say it's about the right deal for all parties. Whilst I disagree with the way Swiss posted it, I understand the sentiment. We as fans should absolutely be ready if something goes south quickly and puts the club in trouble, however we all know Rovers fans can shout a lot on the internet, but when it comes to action..... at least Vaughn has started a petition for the stand. It's a start. Maybe he should have gone for the full no confidence vote in the owners, for less ridicule
Poacher turned gamekeeper? Maybe. But I have come to peace with things I can do little to control or affect, I just can't abide the endless stick from some sections of the fan base and what appears to have been a series of 'leaks' from someone/people deliberately trying to undermine the owners from Day 1
Quite what improvements have they made.the south stand was already there.there were plans in place for the South West stand .oh yes we have new hand driers a caravan behindo the south west stand that is sometimes open to sell alcohol.and yes we have got lots more staff and a development squpdate but at what price nearly 2m per year losses as opposed to 600.000 the last year of the old regime.with a turnover of app 5m how can you justify that sort of spending when in 2006 the aim of the group you were part of was to cut back on spending yet now you are encouraging it.there are a good many things that I hear from people I know and have worked with around the country that I keep to myself because I cannot verify the veracity of it and even if I could I still wouldn't tell. When the current owners bought the club I gave it a gaurded welcome but did not go overboard because I have seen these sort of things many times and most end in tears.I hope they do get it right because if they don't there will not be a rovers in 10 years time and there will not be a Dunford to come to our rescue next time
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