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Post by swissgas on Sept 23, 2018 14:36:00 GMT
The divide in the fan base about the Waq Shack is child's play compared to what could happen if a deal stalls over the amount of cash Dwane Sports want to relinquish control of the club. If a deal collapses because of Dwane wanting their loan repaid in full I wonder how many Gasheads will still support them and say "it is only fair they get all their money back". If the biggest little word. I have no idea what DS exit plan is and they may well eant all their money back, surely though is about what repayment timescales are agreed if any. Your post is just innuendo and scaremongering tbh. Wernt we told the sale to the Al-Qadis nearly fell through because Gashead Nick himself didnt want to relinquish control, and we wernt we being told 12 months ago, Nick was getting upset because he hadnt been paid as agreed. Its fine to be worried about DS and their exit strategy, but lets not try and paint them as some evil doers, doing something, that other owners are entitled to do. Who has left this FC and not received some sort of repayment. It may not be all their money granted and it may or may not have received interest but they were getting back and sure they did ok. Some 6m+ of loans has been repaid (obviously some due to MSP) since the AQ takeover, so why should DS be any different? The important thing is any deal is done, is done well. If DS really want their money back that bad, they may as well just get on and sell The Mem now for an easy life PP. I can understand why you should see my posts as scaremongering but I am in something of a quandary about this. I can remember years ago i was spouting off on the old AF quite oblivious to the fact that no one knew what I was on about and eventually had to apologize to Basel for coming across as a "big I am". It is just that I have witnessed business takeover negotiations first hand and know that things are not always what they seem. Outsiders are often very pleased with themselves for being "ITK". They become convinced everything will run smoothly and want it to happen so badly that they ignore the complexities of the deal and start thinking along the lines of "they are bound to cough up eventually". So when no one "coughs up" and the deal collapses there is mayhem and everyone with a vested interest in the businesses concerned is left in a much worse state than they were before. What I am saying (see my reply to Cheshire) is that it is better for everyone involved to be prepared and have a fall back position established in case the worst happens.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 23, 2018 14:40:27 GMT
The new stand would be a lot easier to accept if there was a new stadium on the horizon. As it is the Mem has got to be one of the worst stadiums around and there is no sign of that ever improving. I compare it something like Frankenstein’s monster in that the ground is built of various parts. It really has given even more ammunition to the 82 & if we were them, we would be absolutely ripping us a new one
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:15:48 GMT
So let's start with positives. The quality of debate has been excellent. Emperor - you are a comedy genius and Bamber should host a telephone phone-in. After a vital win and a good night's sleep, plus Weetabix, do I feel more chilled out No - I am off to the garage to build a placard "Take it down". I think that there should be an online petition to dismantle this joke on the basis that it has undermined the reputation of BRFC. Maybe I am going OTT. But I do want to send out a reminder to owners not to extract the piss out of its fan base. As you say the owners are taking the p1ss. I was thinking about the best way of dealing with waelter,blokes like him hate to be ignored but that's not really an option here. I think that ridicule and derision would be better,much like Chaplin trying to deride Hitler in The great d1ctator....that failed because (a) Hitler never saw the film, (b) Chaplin wasn't very funny. In the old days at football people made up songs or chants,short sharp and to the point,for instance 'send Bert Tann to Vietnam' of course not many sing or chant at matches now but if they did...to the tune of the irritating 'Grocer Jack'...
Owner waq owner waq take your shack and f*** right off and don't come baaackk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:26:47 GMT
So, Waq Shaq vs Santa's Grotto for the Most Embarrassing Rovers Moment Ever Category? But wasn't Santa's grotto put up by the young pirates as opposed to the WAQ share by over people who should know better
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:32:53 GMT
The divide in the fan base about the Waq Shack is child's play compared to what could happen if a deal stalls over the amount of cash Dwane Sports want to relinquish control of the club. If a deal collapses because of Dwane wanting their loan repaid in full I wonder how many Gasheads will still support them and say "it is only fair they get all their money back". If the biggest little word. I have no idea what DS exit plan is and they may well eant all their money back, surely though is about what repayment timescales are agreed if any. Your post is just innuendo and scaremongering tbh. Wernt we told the sale to the Al-Qadis nearly fell through because Gashead Nick himself didnt want to relinquish control, and we wernt we being told 12 months ago, Nick was getting upset because he hadnt been paid as agreed. Its fine to be worried about DS and their exit strategy, but lets not try and paint them as some evil doers, doing something, that other owners are entitled to do. Who has left this FC and not received some sort of repayment. It may not be all their money granted and it may or may not have received interest but they were getting back and sure they did ok. Some 6m+ of loans has been repaid (obviously some due to MSP) since the AQ takeover, so why should DS be any different? The important thing is any deal is done, is done well. If DS really want their money back that bad, they may as well just get on and sell The Mem now for an easy life The loans may have been repaid but the club still owe them but now it's to dwayne sports not ex directors spot the difference. As is the wonga loan rovers still owe it but under a different guise .we are now deeper in debt than we have ever been and losing up to 2m per year.it's all well and good siding with the current incumbents but what would your reaction have been if NH had leased an office in central London costing 250.000 per year.you would have been apoplectic
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:35:40 GMT
What's wrong with canvas roofs after all asbestos corragated roofs were banned years ago !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:43:05 GMT
What's wrong with canvas roofs after all asbestos corragated roofs were banned years ago ! Nothing at all you see lots of them in camp sites in the summer all overy cornwall.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 23, 2018 17:22:15 GMT
So let's start with positives. The quality of debate has been excellent. Emperor - you are a comedy genius and Bamber should host a telephone phone-in. After a vital win and a good night's sleep, plus Weetabix, do I feel more chilled out No - I am off to the garage to build a placard "Take it down". I think that there should be an online petition to dismantle this joke on the basis that it has undermined the reputation of BRFC. Maybe I am going OTT. But I do want to send out a reminder to owners not to extract the piss out of its fan base. As you say the owners are taking the p1ss. I was thinking about the best way of dealing with waelter,blokes like him hate to be ignored but that's not really an option here. I think that ridicule and derision would be better,much like Chaplin trying to deride Hitler in The great d1ctator....that failed because (a) Hitler never saw the film, (b) Chaplin wasn't very funny. In the old days at football people made up songs or chants,short sharp and to the point,for instance 'send Bert Tann to Vietnam' of course not many sing or chant at matches now but if they did...to the tune of the irritating 'Grocer Jack'...
Owner waq owner waq take your shack and f*** right off and don't come baaackk
“Waq Shaq, givvus a song, Waq Shaq Waq Shaq givvus a song.” Hey diddle diddle This Shaqs a big fiddle I’m gonna spend the night In the spoons
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 23, 2018 18:39:02 GMT
If the biggest little word. I have no idea what DS exit plan is and they may well eant all their money back, surely though is about what repayment timescales are agreed if any. Your post is just innuendo and scaremongering tbh. Wernt we told the sale to the Al-Qadis nearly fell through because Gashead Nick himself didnt want to relinquish control, and we wernt we being told 12 months ago, Nick was getting upset because he hadnt been paid as agreed. Its fine to be worried about DS and their exit strategy, but lets not try and paint them as some evil doers, doing something, that other owners are entitled to do. Who has left this FC and not received some sort of repayment. It may not be all their money granted and it may or may not have received interest but they were getting back and sure they did ok. Some 6m+ of loans has been repaid (obviously some due to MSP) since the AQ takeover, so why should DS be any different? The important thing is any deal is done, is done well. If DS really want their money back that bad, they may as well just get on and sell The Mem now for an easy life The loans may have been repaid but the club still owe them but now it's to dwayne sports not ex directors spot the difference. As is the wonga loan rovers still owe it but under a different guise .we are now deeper in debt than we have ever been and losing up to 2m per year.it's all well and good siding with the current incumbents but what would your reaction have been if NH had leased an office in central London costing 250.000 per year.you would have been apoplectic I have never stated either way whether the London office is worthwhile, simply that they have chosen to do it and that is the owners perogative They could save themselves some money there, and that is all the argument ever was in the past under NH and co, but Dwane obviously see a business need The club has relied on loans for however long. Unless someone comes along and has money to burn or aomeone wants to write it off that will always be the case. I cant argue that debt is at record levels, Pretty sure Bolton, Sunderland etc racked up 100m debts the most important thing is what agreements are in place or what is decided at any given time That doesnt mean i am happy with it or agree with it, but how much of the debt was to pay people off and cover over people mistakes. If we are pointing figures at DS, they still need pointing at the old custodians. It cant just be ignored when people are slagging the Al-Qadis off endlessly What matters now are the next steps if DS have cold feet
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Post by vaughan on Sept 23, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
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Post by The Concept on Sept 23, 2018 19:16:06 GMT
New Family Stand to one side for a moment …
3 turnstiles open on Saturday, to service the whole home east side of the ground. 3 turnstiles for what, approx. 3,500 people? So least over 1,000 people per turnstile. 3 turnstiles to cover 3 different sections: East Stand, East Terrace, and Family Stand.
This resulted in queues back up past the Supporters Club cabin, and up to the Thatshers End turnstiles. 100 yards or so? Took 15 minutes to get in and would have been worse for those arriving at the ground after me.
Then you get to the turnstile and the new super-duper bar-code readers had failed again, so the chap in the booth checks your card to let you through.
But the biggest embarrassment was the bloke in the (Red Bull?) baseball cap, who thought he and his family had a divine right to bypass the queue - ignoring several people who pointed out where the back of the queue was - and push in at the front.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 23, 2018 19:16:42 GMT
The loans may have been repaid but the club still owe them but now it's to dwayne sports not ex directors spot the difference. As is the wonga loan rovers still owe it but under a different guise .we are now deeper in debt than we have ever been and losing up to 2m per year.it's all well and good siding with the current incumbents but what would your reaction have been if NH had leased an office in central London costing 250.000 per year.you would have been apoplectic I have never stated either way whether the London office is worthwhile, simply that they have chosen to do it and that is the owners perogative They could save themselves some money there, and that is all the argument ever was in the past under NH and co, but Dwane obviously see a business need The club has relied on loans for however long. Unless someone comes along and has money to burn or aomeone wants to write it off that will always be the case. I cant argue that debt is at record levels, Pretty sure Bolton, Sunderland etc racked up 100m debts the most important thing is what agreements are in place or what is decided at any given time That doesnt mean i am happy with it or agree with it, but how much of the debt was to pay people off and cover over people mistakes. If we are pointing figures at DS, they still need pointing at the old custodians. It cant just be ignored when people are slagging the Al-Qadis off endlessly What matters now are the next steps if DS have cold feet Of course the old custodian deserve the stick he got for the style leadership and the potentially calamitous risk he took with the Wonga loan chasing a lost cause. However the old custodian at least had a strong vision of where the club needed to get to and the facilities it needed to have and the urgency it needed to show to get it. He didn’t have the financial strength to do it though and made mistakes. Do you know what though, I can stomach that a fair bit better than the current custodian who is a fantasist that also doesn’t have the financial ability to deliver what we need but worse led us to believe he did, and had a plan when in truth he had neither. Time to go Waelter Mitty Qadi.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 19:19:14 GMT
No. I won't sign it. This stand sits there and makes a statement, 'We like model railways and have no ambition and no intention of investing any serious money into this football club. The best thing of all, it faces Box 1. Enjoy the view guys, you deserve it.
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Post by willy on Sept 23, 2018 20:05:29 GMT
to be fair the south stand is just as bad, I took my 6 year old boy in there. we got abuse from the away fans couldn't see any high balls. at least that stand is nearer the blackthorn I would hope the abuse isn't as bad but im guessing its coming!! Just thinking out loud but if we get more seats in the ground does that help with ffp rules ie more money we can spend on players. or am I being thick?
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Post by Dr John Dee on Sept 23, 2018 20:32:52 GMT
Well for the first time since I have been following the club, someone is talking about spending money to increase turnover and make a return on investment. I guess if demand for seats outstrips supply and this gets another couple of hundred seats in, then it's sensible investment. So to answer Willy's question: yes it will increase turnover and therefore the playing budget. Not by much, but add that to the refurbished bars then maybe it all adds up. What is more important is that someone at the club is thinking in the right way. It does look terrible, I give you that.
The big question would be would spending £5M on a stand stop the club losing close to £2M a year and is that worth it?
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Post by vaughan on Sept 23, 2018 20:43:25 GMT
171 seats!!!
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Post by Dr John Dee on Sept 23, 2018 20:57:29 GMT
171 x £22 x 25 = £94,050. If I was being creative with the accountancy I would argue that for 80% of games each bum in one of those seats is additional revenue. Even at 50% occupancy it's an additional 50 grand. How much did it cost? Less than that. And it's getting more families in the ground, in the dry, sat down. Seems worth doing to me. It does look terrible, and makes us look tin pot. But that's where we are. I would rather someone magicked up a £10M stand or a new stadium. But whoever's idea it was deserves credit for at least thinking in the right direction.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 23, 2018 20:58:49 GMT
171 x £22 x 25 = £94,050. If I was being creative with the accountancy I would argue that for 80% of games each bum in one of those seats is additional revenue. Even at 50% occupancy it's an additional 50 grand. How much did it cost? Less than that. And it's getting more families in the ground, in the dry, sat down. Seems worth doing to me. It does look terrible, and makes us look tin pot. But that's where we are. I would rather someone magicked up a £10M stand or a new stadium. But whoever's idea it was deserves credit for at least thinking in the right direction. Thought was family?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 21:07:36 GMT
You can see on the highlights, it was mostly empty yesterday. If you can't fill it at the grand opening, when the alternative is to stand in non-stop rain.... Sad that nobody from the club thought to walk along the East Terrace and invite families who were stood in the rain to go sit in empty seats in the dry, but hey, Gorringe would probably have wanted more money.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Sept 23, 2018 21:33:43 GMT
You can see on the highlights, it was mostly empty yesterday. If you can't fill it at the grand opening, when the alternative is to stand in non-stop rain.... Sad that nobody from the club thought to walk along the East Terrace and invite families who were stood in the rain to go sit in empty seats in the dry, but hey, Gorringe would probably have wanted more money. The bloke is literally employed to maximise income and reduce losses. Why is this such a bad thing? I’m genuinely perplexed.
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