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Post by trunky on Sept 23, 2018 7:42:07 GMT
Ladies and gentlemen we are witnessing plan B.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 23, 2018 7:51:10 GMT
You just absolutely know that Dwane will not leave without every single penny paid up to them. They may even end up making a profit once the interest is accounted for. The divide in the fan base about the Waq Shack is child's play compared to what could happen if a deal stalls over the amount of cash Dwane Sports want to relinquish control of the club. If a deal collapses because of Dwane wanting their loan repaid in full I wonder how many Gasheads will still support them and say "it is only fair they get all their money back". Swiss Not defending the Al-Qadis but didn't Higgs almost bankrupt us via his belief in his contract, his attempt to refinance via the loan sharks, etc and he got his money back.... And he is a "genuine" Rovers fan. Bit unfair to knock the AQs if they want their money back. At least they have attempted to improve the match day experience for the fans even if much of it is only cosmetic. Regards
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 23, 2018 8:03:02 GMT
The 'it's more than the previous mob did for us' brigade will be along shortly I'm sure. That is pretty much the only excuse they have left for that shambles in the picture. But as always with these things, it's us that end up paying. Our replica shirts are more expensive than a lot of PL clubs, food prices are up, bar prices are up, everything is up, and Gorringe has spent the money on this pathetic stand which actually reduces capacity. You expect to see this sort of rubbish at amateur clubs, not a club where the man who has awarded himself the boastful title of President claims to be 'ambitious'. Which PL teams shirts are cheaper then ours out of interest?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 23, 2018 8:03:49 GMT
So, Waq Shaq vs Santa's Grotto for the Most Embarrassing Rovers Moment Ever Category? No, from a business perspective it was the owners saying we were going to Cheltenham, suggesting fans could go to choose their seat. Or how about saying we had a water tight contract with Sainsbury, chasing them to court when business people were saying "Stop! Sainsbury would never go to court without a belief they could win and they have a winning track record...." Or relegation to the Conference. Or not building a stadium when plans were to hand, steel was at it lowest, building contractors were looking for work and using the excuse that the student apartment market was dead when other student accommodation companies were building in Manchester, Leeds and elsewhere like they were going out of fashion.....
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 23, 2018 8:06:31 GMT
Surely it is a temporary-permanant fixture. Good business and PR for the club?, I do wonder. I believe that the French have a saying that 'there is nothing as permanent as the temporary'
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 23, 2018 8:14:57 GMT
You just absolutely know that Dwane will not leave without every single penny paid up to them. They may even end up making a profit once the interest is accounted for. The divide in the fan base about the Waq Shack is child's play compared to what could happen if a deal stalls over the amount of cash Dwane Sports want to relinquish control of the club. If a deal collapses because of Dwane wanting their loan repaid in full I wonder how many Gasheads will still support them and say "it is only fair they get all their money back". If the biggest little word. I have no idea what DS exit plan is and they may well eant all their money back, surely though is about what repayment timescales are agreed if any. Your post is just innuendo and scaremongering tbh. Wernt we told the sale to the Al-Qadis nearly fell through because Gashead Nick himself didnt want to relinquish control, and we wernt we being told 12 months ago, Nick was getting upset because he hadnt been paid as agreed. Its fine to be worried about DS and their exit strategy, but lets not try and paint them as some evil doers, doing something, that other owners are entitled to do. Who has left this FC and not received some sort of repayment. It may not be all their money granted and it may or may not have received interest but they were getting back and sure they did ok. Some 6m+ of loans has been repaid (obviously some due to MSP) since the AQ takeover, so why should DS be any different? The important thing is any deal is done, is done well. If DS really want their money back that bad, they may as well just get on and sell The Mem now for an easy life
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Post by Igitur on Sept 23, 2018 8:39:30 GMT
I had an outbreak of enthusiasm earlier, and I am one who believes a new plastic dome will not necessarily bring success and am happyish to see piecemeal 'improvements' after all if either a new stadium or a total redevelopment of the Mem is on its way, then why paint the whole place - who knows, not us? But that new stand is poor, supporters have had to move, you can not see the whole pitch from the ends of the East and Blackthorn terraces and it has, for a small stand, pillars at the front. It has taken spectators normally in the Family enclosure, reducing actual feet on ground which can not be replaced by adults without accompanying children. The prevailing weather, especially rain, is from the west, the front row will either get soaked directly from the rain or that dripping off the roof as it was yesterday. Done with good intention, maybe, but is actually disappointing as a project and not thought through, I would not be surprised if we lose money as a result of it.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 23, 2018 9:04:05 GMT
No, sorry, I didn't intend it to come across that way. But this new family stand is a further example of how little Dwane Sports really care about Rovers or it's supporters so we must resist the temptation to naively assume that our owners will willingly make sacrifices for the good of the football club. Only a rank amateur would delight in telling how business is one lovely carousel ride where everyone wins and you always come up smelling of roses. A professional would tell you that every day business assets are sold to repay debt, people are put out of work and lives are disrupted when companies have to be restructured. This is how the system works, and there is no shame in it, but people who are prepared will stay ahead of the game and minimise the disruption they suffer. I don't think this stand is anything to do with the owners. Sure, they should have stopped it happening in this shambolic form, but I think they will shudder when they see it for the first time. Another tick in the 'Not quite so good column' for someone. It is everything to do with the owners. They are ultimately responsible for everything whether by action or inaction. In fact this embarrassing two bob stand (that reduces capacity) is symbolic of their tenure and of Waelter Mitty’s true capability.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 23, 2018 9:37:56 GMT
It is what it is. Identical to the South West tent & a scaled down version of the South Stand, I don’t recall half as much fuss kicked up over those additions. Sign of the Gashead times I guess.
I stand just along from it, within 23mins and 3-0 up I could not give a f**k what the thing looks like. All that matters is, are family’s happy they now have a place where their children aren’t stood up all day long (normally in the cold) & can watch a game in a bit more comfort? In all likelihood, probably. Job done.
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Post by Igitur on Sept 23, 2018 9:39:23 GMT
I don't think this stand is anything to do with the owners. Sure, they should have stopped it happening in this shambolic form, but I think they will shudder when they see it for the first time. Another tick in the 'Not quite so good column' for someone. It is everything to do with the owners. They are ultimately responsible for everything whether by action or inaction. In fact this embarrassing two bob stand (that reduces capacity) is symbolic of their tenure and of Waelter Mitty’s true capability. We have a Chairman and a CEO, they would have had to have seen the plans and passed it by Wael possibly at a meeting in the London office.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 23, 2018 9:43:11 GMT
So let's start with positives.
The quality of debate has been excellent.
Emperor - you are a comedy genius and Bamber should host a telephone phone-in.
After a vital win and a good night's sleep, plus Weetabix, do I feel more chilled out
No - I am off to the garage to build a placard "Take it down".
I think that there should be an online petition to dismantle this joke on the basis that it has undermined the reputation of BRFC.
Maybe I am going OTT. But I do want to send out a reminder to owners not to extract the piss out of its fan base.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 23, 2018 9:55:11 GMT
So let's start with positives. The quality of debate has been excellent. Emperor - you are a comedy genius and Bamber should host a telephone phone-in. After a vital win and a good night's sleep, plus Weetabix, do I feel more chilled out No - I am off to the garage to build a placard "Take it down". I think that there should be an online petition to dismantle this joke on the basis that it has undermined the reputation of BRFC. Maybe I am going OTT. But I do want to send out a reminder to owners not to extract the piss out of its fan base. You can start an online petition in 5 minutes. If you would like I will pin the link at the top of the messagebaord when you do
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Post by Rex on Sept 23, 2018 10:01:01 GMT
It is what it is. Identical to the South West tent & a scaled down version of the South Stand, I don’t recall half as much fuss kicked up over those additions. Sign of the Gashead times I guess. I stand just along from it, within 23mins and 3-0 up I could not give a f what the thing looks like. All that matters is, are family’s happy they now have a place where their children aren’t stood up all day long (normally in the cold) & can watch a game in a bit more comfort? In all likelihood, probably. Job done. Pretty much my thoughts
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 23, 2018 10:04:31 GMT
So let's start with positives. The quality of debate has been excellent. Emperor - you are a comedy genius and Bamber should host a telephone phone-in. After a vital win and a good night's sleep, plus Weetabix, do I feel more chilled out No - I am off to the garage to build a placard "Take it down". I think that there should be an online petition to dismantle this joke on the basis that it has undermined the reputation of BRFC. Maybe I am going OTT. But I do want to send out a reminder to owners not to extract the piss out of its fan base. The owners have been taking the piss out the fan base since the day they pulled out of building the UWE and Waelter went into hiding leaving Hamer to deal with the fall out and the Crazy Gang plan. If they’d had a plan B in waiting or even visibly embarked on one from that point they might have some credibility but they have either no intention or no wherewithal to invest anything meaningful and certainly nothing like the capital it would take to give us even a half decent stadium let alone the UWE. This joke of a stand is symbolic of the joke owners we now have, the sooner both they and the stand are f***ed off the better!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:38:05 GMT
So let's start with positives. The quality of debate has been excellent. Emperor - you are a comedy genius and Bamber should host a telephone phone-in. After a vital win and a good night's sleep, plus Weetabix, do I feel more chilled out No - I am off to the garage to build a placard "Take it down". I think that there should be an online petition to dismantle this joke on the basis that it has undermined the reputation of BRFC. Maybe I am going OTT. But I do want to send out a reminder to owners not to extract the piss out of its fan base. Don't you dare try to get it taken down, I want it to stay. A few more years of Team Hamer, assisted by Gorringe and our stadium can look like that garbage Lady from the film Labyrinth. It'll be hilarious. As for hosting a phone-in, don't think that will fly, what you need is someone like Savage who likes the sound of their own voice and couldn't care less what the contributor thinks....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:39:12 GMT
But as always with these things, it's us that end up paying. Our replica shirts are more expensive than a lot of PL clubs, food prices are up, bar prices are up, everything is up, and Gorringe has spent the money on this pathetic stand which actually reduces capacity. You expect to see this sort of rubbish at amateur clubs, not a club where the man who has awarded himself the boastful title of President claims to be 'ambitious'. Which PL teams shirts are cheaper then ours out of interest? I stand corrected, I was wrong about this. Our shirts are actually good value at only £29.00.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 23, 2018 11:12:31 GMT
Online petition launched for it to be dismantled immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 11:25:06 GMT
Online petition launched for it to be dismantled immediately. Remember to pop a link up, if many more than 100 people can be arsed to complain I'll be surprised.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 23, 2018 14:17:25 GMT
The divide in the fan base about the Waq Shack is child's play compared to what could happen if a deal stalls over the amount of cash Dwane Sports want to relinquish control of the club. If a deal collapses because of Dwane wanting their loan repaid in full I wonder how many Gasheads will still support them and say "it is only fair they get all their money back". Swiss Not defending the Al-Qadis but didn't Higgs almost bankrupt us via his belief in his contract, his attempt to refinance via the loan sharks, etc and he got his money back.... And he is a "genuine" Rovers fan. Bit unfair to knock the AQs if they want their money back. At least they have attempted to improve the match day experience for the fans even if much of it is only cosmetic. Regards Chesh, I should be the last person to defend the previous owners because, as you say, the way they ran the club was bordering on recklessness. But they did personally lose money running into millions when they left because the shares they had paid for were then worthless and the interest they were due was written off. Yet when they left there was still between £4 million and £11 million equity left in the Mem depending on whether you take the Jones Lang Lasalle formal valuation or the market value based on what the mystery building company are apparently prepared to pay. If the owner of a failing business sells the assets of that business to get his money back then the future prospects for the business are not good. Back in 2010 Rovers had an asset worth £18 million at todays value with about £1 million owed to the banks and £2 million to the owners. By February 2016 MSP Capital and the owners combined were owed £7.2 million which was taken out and replaced with a Dwane Sports loan. In 2018 we are talking about it being "only fair" that Dwane Sports take out the circa £12 - 14 million they have lent so what will be left for Rovers ? The harsh realities of business life is that if you keep taking out there will eventually be nothing left and someone will have to take a hit. The new family stand demonstrates that Wael's statement of "wanting to make the Mem a great place for fans to watch football" was completely worthless. He has said many things which have proven to be completely worthless and while I do believe in an ideal world he would want what is best for BRFC when the crunch comes he and his family will look after their own interests first. So we are left with a rumoured takeover which has been dragging on for many months and hints from ITK fans that we will soon reach Nirvana and when we do we will find some of our old buddies there to greet us. I am completely OOTK but while I do think the rumours are plausible I can see a rocky road ahead because of the conflict between Dwane wanting all their money back and the new people needing some of that money to enable their plans to work. The fact that the negotiations are dragging on and rumoured dates are put forward and then missed lends credence to this theory. We can only hope that someone is out there with a substantial amount of surplus cash which will bridge the gap but if not we should be prepared for a rough ride and we might possibly have to re-evaluate our opinions of both the current and previous owners.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 23, 2018 14:31:45 GMT
It's unfair to look at the differences head to head as they're directly incomparable. Daddy is bankrolling the 36year old, while the venerable 135year old is plodding along (with imminent changes in the background). I'm actually quite proud of what we've got. I know.... that don't sit pretty with most, but I went through Eastville, Ashton, Twerton home venues, so any place that is secure I love to call home. I just wish we had more of a Twerton partisan spirit about us atm, and really let away fans know they are getting wet, seriously wet with no roof, can't hear them sing in an open end, plus sing something along the lines of watch yourself on the Glos Rd....this is OUR home, whatever the facilities (or lack of). We haven't been good at turning everything to our advantage like we have in the past. Maybe to expand, it is a society trait also. Finally, yea, BS3 do have facilities some Premier outfits would be proud of. And they're (fans, more so than club) are very boastful, as they always have been in my life.....but: Was there always a rich kid at school that bla bla bla all day about how much they have? How everything is bigger and better than anyone else? If there wasn't, it was probably you. Wonder what everyone thought of that person... Yep, that's embarrassment for ya. In total agreement wrt the atmosphere and lack of the mem being an intimidating place to come. Sign of the times I guess. I accidentally had no choice but to go on the north stand, once last season, I tried to start a chant but got looks like I was on day release and yet I’d do that on the old tote end, at 15, I’d get everyone join in. I started many songs & chants in those days. Pit realky is a different world now mate
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