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Post by topman on Jun 4, 2018 11:19:27 GMT
Didn't the same agent have links with BCFC (albeit indirectly) If so very 'convenient'? If not I stand corrected and just another rumour!!
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Post by irishrover on Jun 4, 2018 12:44:02 GMT
I think a lot of this ignores how good a player he was outside the box. He wasn't a one trick pony waiting to poach goals. For 3 seasons we built our entire attack to run through him. The guy was a clever player who linked well with the players around him and made them more effective. That was as important to the way we played as his goals were and we haven't really managed to replace it. This is the main reason why I think we played with a somewhat more direct style last season than we had in previous years under DC. It's pretty clear that Clarke has been trying to find a Taylor replacement for a year or so but it's bloody difficult because there aren't that many players out there like him. Nichols, for all the debate around his lack of goals, was an even bigger disapointment in his build-up play. He'll also only be truly effective if a side uses him in the way Clarke did - City will never do that, so he's wasted there. I think if he was available on the right terms DC would probably swallow his pride and take him back because of the potential difference it would make to us as an attacking unit but I doubt that is in an option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 12:48:35 GMT
I think a lot of this ignores how good a player he was outside the box. He wasn't a one trick pony waiting to poach goals. For 3 seasons we built our entire attack to run through him. The guy was a clever player who linked well with the players around him and made them more effective. That was as important to the way we played as his goals were and we haven't really managed to replace it. This is the main reason why I think we played with a somewhat more direct style last season than we had in previous years under DC. It's pretty clear that Clarke has been trying to find a Taylor replacement for a year or so but it's bloody difficult because there aren't that many players out there like him. Nichols, for all the debate around his lack of goals, was an even bigger disapointment in his build-up play. He'll also only be truly effective if a side uses him in the way Clarke did - City will never do that, so he's wasted there. I think if he was available on the right terms DC would probably swallow his pride and take him back because of the potential difference it would make to us as an attacking unit but I doubt that is in an option. That would be interesting after our manager's coded comments about knowing why no other clubs were interested in the player.
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Post by irishrover on Jun 4, 2018 12:57:48 GMT
I think a lot of this ignores how good a player he was outside the box. He wasn't a one trick pony waiting to poach goals. For 3 seasons we built our entire attack to run through him. The guy was a clever player who linked well with the players around him and made them more effective. That was as important to the way we played as his goals were and we haven't really managed to replace it. This is the main reason why I think we played with a somewhat more direct style last season than we had in previous years under DC. It's pretty clear that Clarke has been trying to find a Taylor replacement for a year or so but it's bloody difficult because there aren't that many players out there like him. Nichols, for all the debate around his lack of goals, was an even bigger disapointment in his build-up play. He'll also only be truly effective if a side uses him in the way Clarke did - City will never do that, so he's wasted there. I think if he was available on the right terms DC would probably swallow his pride and take him back because of the potential difference it would make to us as an attacking unit but I doubt that is in an option. That would be interesting after our manager's coded comments about knowing why no other clubs were interested in the player. I remember that - I just took it to be a passing shot at a player who'd badly stiffed him over. I'm sure there's no love lost there. I don't really care either way - Taylor made his bed and can lay in it as far as I'm concerned. But, there's no doubt we were a better attacking team with Taylor in it. He's been incredibly difficult to replace and from DC's perspective the easiest option from a football perspective (if available) would probably be to slot him back in. I don't think there's any chance it's going to happen anyway though so I guess it's all rather irrelevant really.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jun 4, 2018 13:50:40 GMT
Even if DC would, he still wouldn't be taken back.
The fans would not accept him jaunting off to city to make his fortune, at a time we really needed him, when it mattered, whilst stiffing us of a fee in the process.
I for one would never applaud him, he would get abuse for 90 mins and I might even stay away if he was playing.
What he did was not "just football". Cole to Chelsea, Campbell to Arsenal, there are certain moves which are outright betrayal and forever lose your respect and eternally tarred as a turncoat.
The £300K fee, the last minute decision......Matty Taylor could have commanded a huge deal from us which would have seen wealthy for life. He wanted more than wealthy, he chose super wealthy and ran out on all of his mates, fans and the manager/club that backed him and made him who he was. Even the terrace that watch him squander chance after chance and stuck with him.
He knew what he was doing. He knew he was acting in an extremely selfish way to add a few more quid to the bank, and he knew the upset he caused. To then whine in media about how he surprised about the backlash and then pose with a snake....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 15:19:31 GMT
Even if DC would, he still wouldn't be taken back. The fans would not accept him jaunting off to city to make his fortune, at a time we really needed him, when it mattered, whilst stiffing us of a fee in the process. I for one would never applaud him, he would get abuse for 90 mins and I might even stay away if he was playing. What he did was not "just football". Cole to Chelsea, Campbell to Arsenal, there are certain moves which are outright betrayal and forever lose your respect and eternally tarred as a turncoat. The £300K fee, the last minute decision......Matty Taylor could have commanded a huge deal from us which would have seen wealthy for life. He wanted more than wealthy, he chose super wealthy and ran out on all of his mates, fans and the manager/club that backed him and made him who he was. Even the terrace that watch him squander chance after chance and stuck with him. He knew what he was doing. He knew he was acting in an extremely selfish way to add a few more quid to the bank, and he knew the upset he caused. To then whine in media about how he surprised about the backlash and then pose with a snake.... 1. Campbell was every bit as bad. He promised the Spurs fans that he wouldn't do it, then he did it, and ran his contract down first. So maybe even worse? 2. Ref your Snake post above, the serpent is normally misreported, all he did was tell Eve the truth, at least, he quoted God accurately, so if what he said wasn't correct then it's God's fault for either A. Lying B. Not correcting text in his name, or C. Failing to exist at all. It's not surprising that the serpent and Eve were confused about whether eating from the tree would result in death or in her and Adam receiving knowledge of good and evil and becoming 'like God' is it? This is what happens when a book is quoted and people haven't actually read the thing, even the latest Pope can't get the story straight, and he's God's messenger on earth, so you presume he's got a mobile number, or email address or something?
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Post by Rex on Jun 4, 2018 15:48:57 GMT
I don't blame the horrible little **** for going, but the way he lapped up the anti Gas stuff over there made me wish bad things upon him Talking of lying turncoats, it always amaze me how Harry Redknapp remains so popular with many football fans after saying on TV he definitely wasn't going to Southampton about 2 days before he did!
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Post by trunky on Jun 4, 2018 16:05:55 GMT
How can you call a man a snake when he was instrumental in gaining us back to back promotions, he left us because he was offered far more money, despite them being our biggest rivals. I cant imagine any of us doing that in similar circumstances.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 4, 2018 16:09:12 GMT
That would be interesting after our manager's coded comments about knowing why no other clubs were interested in the player. I took them to refer to BRFC being stitched up - nothing about Snakey as an individual (although something might logically follow from it). Did anyone hear it differently - I'm curious?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 16:15:44 GMT
That would be interesting after our manager's coded comments about knowing why no other clubs were interested in the player. I took them to refer to BRFC being stitched up - nothing about Snakey as an individual (although something might logically follow from it). Did anyone hear it differently - I'm curious? The suggestion was that Darrell knew why nobody else had come in for the player, that obviously would have been before he decided that a few pieces of silver were worth more than his self respect, so nothing to do with moving across town to the DSS Arena.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 16:20:38 GMT
How can you call a man a snake when he was instrumental in gaining us back to back promotions, he left us because he was offered far more money, despite them being our biggest rivals. I cant imagine any of us doing that in similar circumstances. No need to imagine, I wouldn't do it, and I'm constantly surprised that people are not only prepared to do it but happy to say so as if it's no big deal. There's a different question though isn't there? He had been sent back to FGR from a loan period at another 5th tier club because he wasn't performing, we turned that around and saved his career, so the real question is, how could he do that to an employer who had been so good to him?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 16:55:37 GMT
money
in a limited timeframe you make what you can
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jun 4, 2018 17:08:04 GMT
money
in a limited timeframe you make what you can
Like prostitutes
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Post by axegas on Jun 4, 2018 18:16:43 GMT
It just irks me how some people still go on about the snake and Sainsburys. For me I’ve consigned both to the past, don’t get me wrong I was disappointed about Taylor moving to City and Sainsburys pulling out of the UWE deal but I don’t bring them back up on a constant basis as some of our fans like to do. As one door closes, another door opens, in Taylor’s case it was Bodin who took on the responsibility of our “star” player and in the case of Sainsbury’s it only lead us to reject the UWE and think about redeveloping the Mem. Both of which are not too bad things to of happened to us in my eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 18:34:24 GMT
It just irks me how some people still go on about the snake and Sainsburys. For me I’ve consigned both to the past, don’t get me wrong I was disappointed about Taylor moving to City and Sainsburys pulling out of the UWE deal but I don’t bring them back up on a constant basis as some of our fans like to do. As one door closes, another door opens, in Taylor’s case it was Bodin who took on the responsibility of our “star” player and in the case of Sainsbury’s it only lead us to reject the UWE and think about redeveloping the Mem. Both of which are not too bad things to of happened to us in my eyes. This is a good point. I dread to think what would have happened had Sainsbury's decided to give us our £28m, nobody yet has explained where the other £12m (minimum) to get UWE built was coming from. The Taylor thing will keep going round and round as long as he's an active player, best get used to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 19:19:45 GMT
He is the best striker out there at championship level or Scottish top level even. He just needs game time if decent scouts are out there he would be the first player on their radar.He is as good as Scott Sinclair surely.
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Post by dido on Jun 4, 2018 19:43:49 GMT
How can you call a man a snake when he was instrumental in gaining us back to back promotions, he left us because he was offered far more money, despite them being our biggest rivals. I cant imagine any of us doing that in similar circumstances. No need to imagine, I wouldn't do it, and I'm constantly surprised that people are not only prepared to do it but happy to say so as if it's no big deal. There's a different question though isn't there? He had been sent back to FGR from a loan period at another 5th tier club because he wasn't performing, we turned that around and saved his career, so the real question is, how could he do that to an employer who had been so good to him? Bambi, I've corrected you on this before! Matty Taylor was recalled from Chester by FGR after he scored six goals in seven matches. That is NOT being "sent back because he wasn't performing" - capisce?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 21:46:40 GMT
No need to imagine, I wouldn't do it, and I'm constantly surprised that people are not only prepared to do it but happy to say so as if it's no big deal. There's a different question though isn't there? He had been sent back to FGR from a loan period at another 5th tier club because he wasn't performing, we turned that around and saved his career, so the real question is, how could he do that to an employer who had been so good to him? Bambi, I've corrected you on this before! Matty Taylor was recalled from Chester by FGR after he scored six goals in seven matches. That is NOT being "sent back because he wasn't performing" - capisce? Wiki has been edited, so it must be true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 22:55:53 GMT
No need to imagine, I wouldn't do it, and I'm constantly surprised that people are not only prepared to do it but happy to say so as if it's no big deal. There's a different question though isn't there? He had been sent back to FGR from a loan period at another 5th tier club because he wasn't performing, we turned that around and saved his career, so the real question is, how could he do that to an employer who had been so good to him? Bambi, I've corrected you on this before! Matty Taylor was recalled from Chester by FGR after he scored six goals in seven matches. That is NOT being "sent back because he wasn't performing" - capisce? Dont let the truth spoil a good story!!
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Post by dido on Jun 5, 2018 6:38:17 GMT
Soccerbase wrong too then.
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