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Jun 2, 2018 22:27:19 GMT
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jun 2, 2018 22:27:19 GMT
I note on rewatching some of our old highlights the quality of the snake. He was a great finisher.
Got to say, my enjoyment of all of our promotion vids are soured by his scoring. I can’t enjoy 2 of our promotion season highlights as he’s a turncoat swine and should be tarred and feathered.
He scored 61 in 118 for us. 3 in 33 for them.
His record at city is pathetic. There are defenders with better scoring records.
I’m sure he’s a few quid up but I don’t see a big career for him post city. In the long run, I think he would have been better off here. I expect he would still be scoring for us and have another 3 year deal. Doubt he will get much post city.
All can be blamed on that fat **** lansdown in my opinion. Let’s hope he continues to waste his fortune feeding his ego.
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Post by Rex on Jun 3, 2018 8:57:23 GMT
But would you have him back?
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Post by bloogas on Jun 3, 2018 9:56:02 GMT
But would you have him back? We'd all best move on.
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Post by crater on Jun 3, 2018 10:02:36 GMT
Conference season was full of neat and tidy teams but with very little threat in the final third. Thats where we had the advantage as Snakey was always a goal threat. Never about 1 player but without him we wouldn't have got promoted imo. That said he's a see you next tuesday
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 10:39:46 GMT
What we've learned is that he's a bang average 5th tier player the moment you take away the support that he had here.
Unlikely that he'll still be at The Pit in August, even more unlikely that anybody will ever trust him to be committed to a team again, he's shown his hand, it's about him first and foremost, that, combined with the fact that he's failed miserably everywhere apart from here, won't help his agent this summer trying to secure his next move.
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The snake
Jun 3, 2018 11:54:04 GMT
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Jun 3, 2018 11:54:04 GMT
Statistically poor finisher with inconsistent accuracy in front of goal. The ratio of shots to goals isn't good enough, and was mentioned as a concern even in the Conference. Yes, the stats show good goals per game ratio, but only if you ignore just how many chances (particularly one-on-ones) he squandered on the way to getting those goals. He hasn't ever had the raw pace, strength or first touch control to outright beat a decent defender and so developed a diving problem early in his career. Ultimately flattered his way to praise by putting in goals against average opposition at a steady rate rather than being a genuinely talented striker.
And taking into account his character profile, he has a cancerously toxic personality and attitude that only a desperate manager needing goals in League Two would want to sign now. Like Ched Evans or Lee Hughes.
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Post by Rex on Jun 3, 2018 12:11:13 GMT
Statistically poor finisher with inconsistent accuracy in front of goal. The ratio of shots to goals isn't good enough, and was mentioned as a concern even in the Conference. Yes, the stats show good goals per game ratio, but only if you ignore just how many chances (particularly one-on-ones) he squandered on the way to getting those goals. He hasn't ever had the raw pace, strength or first touch control to outright beat a decent defender and so developed a diving problem early in his career. Ultimately flattered his way to praise by putting in goals against average opposition at a steady rate rather than being a genuinely talented striker. And taking into account his character profile, he has a cancerously toxic personality and attitude that only a desperate manager needing goals in League Two would want to sign now. Like Ched Evans or Lee Hughes. Surely that is all that matters ? If a bloke scores a hat trick a game no one would be moaning he took 30 shots to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 12:48:06 GMT
Statistically poor finisher with inconsistent accuracy in front of goal. The ratio of shots to goals isn't good enough, and was mentioned as a concern even in the Conference. Yes, the stats show good goals per game ratio, but only if you ignore just how many chances (particularly one-on-ones) he squandered on the way to getting those goals. He hasn't ever had the raw pace, strength or first touch control to outright beat a decent defender and so developed a diving problem early in his career. Ultimately flattered his way to praise by putting in goals against average opposition at a steady rate rather than being a genuinely talented striker. And taking into account his character profile, he has a cancerously toxic personality and attitude that only a desperate manager needing goals in League Two would want to sign now. Like Ched Evans or Lee Hughes. Surely that is all that matters ? If a bloke scores a hat trick a game no one would be moaning he took 30 shots to do it. The debate at the time was that some were saying what a great player he was, some argued that, with the team being set up to create so many chances, there were plenty of players out there who would have bagged that number of goals in the 5th tier. He got better though and improved his wild finishing. However, it all fell to pieces as soon as the hand holding and coaching we were giving him stopped. Will be interesting to see if he can do it again at a different L1 / L2 club, because that's where he's heading. As for comparing him to Evans or Hughes, that's pretty poor form and doesn't do much to help whatever point the original poster was trying to make.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 3, 2018 14:43:07 GMT
But would you have him back? I think I would. I understand all the bad feeling etc. But I try to take the emotion out of it and look at it as a flat footballing decision where he fitted our system perfectly as others have said. In 2014 we were at our lowest point. Two seasons later and we were in League 1, our normal position and league. Personally I’d have bitten off my hand for that in 2014. However you feel about him he was an important part of that team and without him perhaps we’d not have had two promotions. We’ll never know. He won’t be back and we move on as DC has shown. UTG! ps And lets be honest how many of us would have turned down the money he was offered to play football and stay in the same town. Not many I suggest.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jun 3, 2018 15:33:23 GMT
Mark 8:36 . (KING JAMES VERSION) For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jun 3, 2018 16:23:40 GMT
Mark 8:36 . (KING JAMES VERSION) For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? I read that book. The snake is a massive bell end in that one too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 17:08:46 GMT
Has there been a more important player for Rovers than Matty Taylor ? I do wonder where Rovers would be now if he wouldn't have signed in 2014.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jun 3, 2018 17:25:11 GMT
I'd have him back but he'd have to deliver quickly to win me over. And also admit what poor judgement the move was
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 17:54:46 GMT
Impossible to judge him at city because his time there has been plagued by injury. Brilliant player for rovers imo.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 3, 2018 18:23:18 GMT
Mark 8:36 . (KING JAMES VERSION) For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Very true but somewhere in the bible it also talks about forgiveness and the story of the prodigal son.😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 20:31:16 GMT
very clever player, scores goals, he will make a team very happy wherever he goes imo
moving to the vermin ? cant blame him, buisness
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Post by topman on Jun 4, 2018 8:17:30 GMT
very clever player, scores goals, he will make a team very happy wherever he goes imo
moving to the vermin ? cant blame him, buisness
cant blame him, buisness Exactly! Loyalty has played no part for majority of footballers for a long time Assume he is happy living in Bristol so why would anyone not move on to another team in the same city if offered substantially more money, higher division and far far better facilities? People need to be ware that fan loyalty and player loyalty are two vastly different matters As for him as a player it was not just his goals but his link up play bringing others into the game and his work rate on and off the ball - I still miss him as a player and would have him back No one will convince me that the transfer was done ethically re buy out clause etc - Lansdown bought him to spike our play off chances and take pressure off L J at the time
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 9:07:32 GMT
very clever player, scores goals, he will make a team very happy wherever he goes imo
moving to the vermin ? cant blame him, buisness
cant blame him, buisness Exactly! No one will convince me that the transfer was done ethically re buy out clause etc - Lansdown bought him to spike our play off chances and take pressure off L J at the time In which case, it's no longer just 'business' is it. If I understand what you've said correctly, you've suggested that confidential contract terms were disclosed and you also seem to be saying that he accepted money to harm the interests of his present employer in the knowledge that his new employer didn't necessarily require his services. You go on to say that you would be prepared to employ that person again? I wouldn't.
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Post by dido on Jun 4, 2018 10:20:10 GMT
Agent's work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 11:07:48 GMT
Makes no difference, even if all of the unpleasant stuff suggested above is true, the agent didn't sign the contract on his behalf, and he looked quite pleased in the pictures 1982 used to unveil him as a new player.
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