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Post by Rex on Mar 18, 2018 7:30:51 GMT
A feisty atmosphere at football can add to the enjoyment, but sometimes things can get a little embarrassing/cringy. I was in the section nearest to the Plymouth fans yesterday, and it's fair to say there was a fair amount of goading going on, which all got a little bit silly after the Argyle fan came onto the pitch. I have no doubt that Plymouth fan could handle himself, the amount of police and stewards it took to finally subdue was incredible, he is obviously a bit of a nutter/fool and probably was coked right up. However huge sections of both support seem to get off on 'looking hard' without actually wanting to fight. The lad who got through the segregation netting for example, he got halfway to the Argyle support and stopped, just stood there gesturing at them, while they gestured back to him. One day I would love the police to say 'Go on then, fil your boots, we wont stop you', I'm reasonably confident not much would happen. These people are more than happy to threaten each other from a distance, but if segregation ended they wouldn't say boo to a goose. Similarly after the game, I was held up for1/2 hour or so while the Rovers fans hurled abuse at police and stewards, I'm reasonably confident if everyone kept calm we would have been on our way in 5/10 minutes. I'm not condoning actual fighting at games btw, it's just that trying to pretend you want a fight, when we all know you don't, is dead embarrassing like  |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 18, 2018 8:34:36 GMT
A feisty atmosphere at football can add to the enjoyment, but sometimes things can get a little embarrassing/cringy. I was in the section nearest to the Plymouth fans yesterday, and it's fair to say there was a fair amount of goading going on, which all got a little bit silly after the Argyle fan came onto the pitch. I have no doubt that Plymouth fan could handle himself, the amount of police and stewards it took to finally subdue was incredible, he is obviously a bit of a nutter/fool and probably was coked right up. However huge sections of both support seem to get off on 'looking hard' without actually wanting to fight. The lad who got through the segregation netting for example, he got halfway to the Argyle support and stopped, just stood there gesturing at them, while they gestured back to him. One day I would love the police to say 'Go on then, fil your boots, we wont stop you', I'm reasonably confident not much would happen. These people are more than happy to threaten each other from a distance, but if segregation ended they wouldn't say boo to a goose. Similarly after the game, I was held up for1/2 hour or so while the Rovers fans hurled abuse at police and stewards, I'm reasonably confident if everyone kept calm we would have been on our way in 5/10 minutes. I'm not condoning actual fighting at games btw, it's just that trying to pretend you want a fight, when we all know you don't, is dead embarrassing like So did we 'take' them? 'do' them? 'own' them? 'destroy' them? 'diss' them?! Haha! Alot of posturing these days. If anything physical did happen, which would be a bit silly under cctv, who's to know your front door wouldn't be broken down at 6am one day months later? Only if you're a GasHead though.....most of the ridiculous antics in Trashton Gate that night went unpunished if you were in the home end. |
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Post by bloogas on Mar 18, 2018 11:21:56 GMT
And of course it was only cheery waves of acknowledgement from Adams & Vyner after the final whistle at us bothering to come to the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 12:05:15 GMT
A feisty atmosphere at football can add to the enjoyment, but sometimes things can get a little embarrassing/cringy. I was in the section nearest to the Plymouth fans yesterday, and it's fair to say there was a fair amount of goading going on, which all got a little bit silly after the Argyle fan came onto the pitch. I have no doubt that Plymouth fan could handle himself, the amount of police and stewards it took to finally subdue was incredible, he is obviously a bit of a nutter/fool and probably was coked right up. However huge sections of both support seem to get off on 'looking hard' without actually wanting to fight. The lad who got through the segregation netting for example, he got halfway to the Argyle support and stopped, just stood there gesturing at them, while they gestured back to him. One day I would love the police to say 'Go on then, fil your boots, we wont stop you', I'm reasonably confident not much would happen. These people are more than happy to threaten each other from a distance, but if segregation ended they wouldn't say boo to a goose. Similarly after the game, I was held up for1/2 hour or so while the Rovers fans hurled abuse at police and stewards, I'm reasonably confident if everyone kept calm we would have been on our way in 5/10 minutes. I'm not condoning actual fighting at games btw, it's just that trying to pretend you want a fight, when we all know you don't, is dead embarrassing like I didn't go yesterday but I have seen a lot of situations like this over the last couple of seasons. I remember one away game where a lot of Rovers supporters and the opposing fans were goading each other at the fences all through the match,when we left both lots of supporters came out into the same street with not a copper or steward in sight....this will be a bloodbath I thought,but no,both sets of supporters sauntered along on their own side of the street studiously ignoring the other lot !
I wonder if segregation makes this behaviour worse ? I also think that drunkenness is worse now (and I do like a drink) maybe a breathalyser type device set at 4 pints and anyone looking really drunk could be tested and refused admission?
There definitely is an element of society (not just at football) who want a 'hard' image now,I see it at the gym and not just blokes some women too,I have to admit that I find it all quite amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 12:35:15 GMT
A feisty atmosphere at football can add to the enjoyment, but sometimes things can get a little embarrassing/cringy. I was in the section nearest to the Plymouth fans yesterday, and it's fair to say there was a fair amount of goading going on, which all got a little bit silly after the Argyle fan came onto the pitch. I have no doubt that Plymouth fan could handle himself, the amount of police and stewards it took to finally subdue was incredible, he is obviously a bit of a nutter/fool and probably was coked right up. However huge sections of both support seem to get off on 'looking hard' without actually wanting to fight. The lad who got through the segregation netting for example, he got halfway to the Argyle support and stopped, just stood there gesturing at them, while they gestured back to him. One day I would love the police to say 'Go on then, fil your boots, we wont stop you', I'm reasonably confident not much would happen. These people are more than happy to threaten each other from a distance, but if segregation ended they wouldn't say boo to a goose. Similarly after the game, I was held up for1/2 hour or so while the Rovers fans hurled abuse at police and stewards, I'm reasonably confident if everyone kept calm we would have been on our way in 5/10 minutes. I'm not condoning actual fighting at games btw, it's just that trying to pretend you want a fight, when we all know you don't, is dead embarrassing like You should grab some of these kids and take them to a game north of the border where the supporters genuinely dislike each other and wouldn't stop like frozen mannequins in the middle of segregation areas. There would be plenty of soiled underwear I reckon. As for that daft song that a few sing at every home game about the IRA, can you imagine if they thought for one single second that there was a possibility of a night time visit from someone wearing a balaclava with a deep Irish accent? |
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Post by DudeLebowski on Mar 18, 2018 12:36:01 GMT
Stood around outside for 10mins faced by baton wielding coppers with their excitable pups & heard someone suggest to turn around and go the other way. Did just that, turned 180 walked back past the turnstile & hung a left down through the park. Totally unchallenged? Not sure why the Police didn’t instruct everyone to do that upon exit in the first place.
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Post by danrory on Mar 18, 2018 13:13:33 GMT
Friend of mine reckons football clubs should be given 2 years to completely dismantle segregation in grounds. If they fail or miss manage it afterwards, close them down.
He goes to rugby regularly and cannot understand why human beings at major rugby matches need no police, segregation etc and there is zero trouble but at football...
Find it hard to disagree with him
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 13:41:11 GMT
Friend of mine reckons football clubs should be given 2 years to completely dismantle segregation in grounds. If they fail or miss manage it afterwards, close them down. He goes to rugby regularly and cannot understand why human beings at major rugby matches need no police, segregation etc and there is zero trouble but at football... Find it hard to disagree with him You don't have to look far for the answer, on this forum just a few days ago people were trying to excuse the behaviour at West Ham last week. It's seems to be deeply embedded into some people's perception that this is normal and, if you aren't getting what you want, is an acceptable response. Clubs like Chelsea, where away supporters are prevented from going about their lawful business and entering certain pubs / clubs on match days should be given a short period to sort the problem, if they fail then their membership of the League should be removed and never reinstated. Once it happened to one club all of the others would soon sort themselves out and match days would be safer for us all. These aren't new problems, it's the same clubs, year after year, decade after decade. I think that Rovers have a few people who are banned from the ground, I wonder if we actually make any real effort to enforce that ban or if they could either buy a ticket on line with someone else's details or if they could just walk up to the turnstiles and hand over their £18 and walk straight in? |
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Post by irishrover on Mar 18, 2018 14:05:31 GMT
Friend of mine reckons football clubs should be given 2 years to completely dismantle segregation in grounds. If they fail or miss manage it afterwards, close them down. He goes to rugby regularly and cannot understand why human beings at major rugby matches need no police, segregation etc and there is zero trouble but at football... Find it hard to disagree with him You don't have to look far for the answer, on this forum just a few days ago people were trying to excuse the behaviour at West Ham last week. It's seems to be deeply embedded into some people's perception that this is normal and, if you aren't getting what you want, is an acceptable response. Clubs like Chelsea, where away supporters are prevented from going about their lawful business and entering certain pubs / clubs on match days should be given a short period to sort the problem, if they fail then their membership of the League should be removed and never reinstated. Once it happened to one club all of the others would soon sort themselves out and match days would be safer for us all. These aren't new problems, it's the same clubs, year after year, decade after decade. I think that Rovers have a few people who are banned from the ground, I wonder if we actually make any real effort to enforce that ban or if they could either buy a ticket on line with someone else's details or if they could just walk up to the turnstiles and hand over their £18 and walk straight in? I mostly agree-football (as a culture from top to bottom) has a built-in tolerance level for this which would be baffling in pretty much any other walk of life. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 18, 2018 14:58:38 GMT
A feisty atmosphere at football can add to the enjoyment, but sometimes things can get a little embarrassing/cringy. I was in the section nearest to the Plymouth fans yesterday, and it's fair to say there was a fair amount of goading going on, which all got a little bit silly after the Argyle fan came onto the pitch. I have no doubt that Plymouth fan could handle himself, the amount of police and stewards it took to finally subdue was incredible, he is obviously a bit of a nutter/fool and probably was coked right up. However huge sections of both support seem to get off on 'looking hard' without actually wanting to fight. The lad who got through the segregation netting for example, he got halfway to the Argyle support and stopped, just stood there gesturing at them, while they gestured back to him. One day I would love the police to say 'Go on then, fil your boots, we wont stop you', I'm reasonably confident not much would happen. These people are more than happy to threaten each other from a distance, but if segregation ended they wouldn't say boo to a goose. Similarly after the game, I was held up for1/2 hour or so while the Rovers fans hurled abuse at police and stewards, I'm reasonably confident if everyone kept calm we would have been on our way in 5/10 minutes. I'm not condoning actual fighting at games btw, it's just that trying to pretend you want a fight, when we all know you don't, is dead embarrassing like You should grab some of these kids and take them to a game north of the border where the supporters genuinely dislike each other and wouldn't stop like frozen mannequins in the middle of segregation areas. There would be plenty of soiled underwear I reckon. As for that daft song that a few sing at every home game about the IRA, can you imagine if they thought for one single second that there was a possibility of a night time visit from someone wearing a balaclava with a deep Irish accent? I thoroughly recommend the film '71. Brutal. Make such songs after watching that, understanding that era, comprehending that situation and those whom lived through that terror....it's too important and shouldn't be reduced to a tune to cite against c*ty. |
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Post by The Concept on Mar 18, 2018 16:23:17 GMT
A feisty atmosphere at football can add to the enjoyment, but sometimes things can get a little embarrassing/cringy. I was in the section nearest to the Plymouth fans yesterday, and it's fair to say there was a fair amount of goading going on, which all got a little bit silly after the Argyle fan came onto the pitch. I have no doubt that Plymouth fan could handle himself, the amount of police and stewards it took to finally subdue was incredible, he is obviously a bit of a nutter/fool and probably was coked right up. However huge sections of both support seem to get off on 'looking hard' without actually wanting to fight. The lad who got through the segregation netting for example, he got halfway to the Argyle support and stopped, just stood there gesturing at them, while they gestured back to him. One day I would love the police to say 'Go on then, fil your boots, we wont stop you', I'm reasonably confident not much would happen. These people are more than happy to threaten each other from a distance, but if segregation ended they wouldn't say boo to a goose. Similarly after the game, I was held up for1/2 hour or so while the Rovers fans hurled abuse at police and stewards, I'm reasonably confident if everyone kept calm we would have been on our way in 5/10 minutes. I'm not condoning actual fighting at games btw, it's just that trying to pretend you want a fight, when we all know you don't, is dead embarrassing like There was more than one got half-way across; around 30 got past the first section of netting. There was 3 sections of netting: 1 along each section of crowd, and a 3rd in the middle. There are videos taken from the Argyle side, on social media, which show the incident. As to acting 'hard' ...'Hardness' of a material means something that can't be scratched. I imagine that, in a similar way to a diamond (one of the hardest materials known to man), if they were hit they would shatter. The hardest known natural substance is 'Lonsdaleite', which was named after Kathleen Lonsdale, the pioneering Irish crystallographer and (rather poignantly) a pacifist. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 17:08:05 GMT
Aggression isn't hard: it is not hard to throw a punch, and those who can are not hard.
Withstanding aggression is hard: it is hard to take a punch, and those who can are hard.
Why football tolerates a certain type of man using it as a channel for angry, aggressive, abusive, or hateful desires is a shame.
Football grounds should be kept for football, where (for example) fathers feel safe taking their sons to the match.
Start a Fight Club if you need that outlet for your issues with your father.
Or just 'man up'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 17:54:52 GMT
Withstanding aggression is hard: it is hard to take a punch, and those who can are hard. Nothing about fighting in the street is ''Hard'', it's moronic. How exactly does the ability to throw, land, avoid or withstand a punch demonstrate the validity of the position anyone is putting forward? Add to that, every weekend, up and down the country, lives are ruined by a toxic mixture of alcohol and violence and I'm struggling to join with you in wanting to celebrate the ''Hard'' men who can take a punch. Yours in cowardliness. Bamber. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 18:18:39 GMT
I think you misread me, Sir. We are not so far apart as you imagine. Nothing about fighting in the street is ''Hard'', it's moronic. How exactly does the ability to throw, land, avoid or withstand a punch demonstrate the validity of the position anyone is putting forward? Fighting in the street is indeed moronic. The ability to throw or land a punch demonstrates pathetic thuggery towards the human body. But I stand by my assertion that it is hard to withstand aggression or take a punch. Especially when one not responsible for anything violent is assaulted. This does not mean it is a good thing to have happened, quite the opposite. Add to that, every weekend, up and down the country, lives are ruined by a toxic mixture of alcohol and violence... Sadly true. Like I said, 'they could start a Fight Club if they need that outlet* for their issues with their fathers: or just 'man up''. I'm struggling to join with you in wanting to celebrate the ''Hard'' men who can take a punch. I do not. I have serious respect for those who manage to take a punch, yet never retaliate, nor throw one themselves. The only hard man worth knowing. *edit: because I would love such things not to happen at football matches. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Mar 22, 2018 21:28:20 GMT
The truly brave one is Bruce Jenner. I used to think war heroes were tough but to transit to Catltn Jenner was about the most heroic act I ever saw.
I always am confused when I see people with god awful conditions and hear them described as “brave”. Having a condition and remaining cheerful and a decent person is brave, but just having bad health doesn’t make you brave in its own.
Then the lads who went over the top in wars, were do so with an officer with a revolver trained on them. They were doing the least risky thing given deserters are always shot.
Hard men, often these are men who have such low self esteem they rip others down to bring themselves up.
Hero as well. A lot of hero’s were just someone in the right place at the right time. Tony bullinore, a guy trapped in his boat who ate chocolate to survive, was called a hero - for surviving. So the ordinary man just voluntarily starves to death.
Truly hard, brave or heroic individuals are very rare. I’ve heard of soldiers jumping on grenades to spare their comrades - now THAT is brave. Men in no mans land wounded were found dead the next day, their hands fully pushed into their throat to prevent their dying screams from alerting the enemy to their locations - and therefore revealing their comrades locations, now that is hard as nails. Jumping about like some blackthorn fuelled ape punching teenagers is about as far from hard or brave as you can get
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Mar 23, 2018 8:31:43 GMT
I'm harder than the lot of you. I watched Alien last night with the lights off!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 10:18:47 GMT
I'm harder than the lot of you. I watched Alien last night with the lights off! Just buy a Predator, they are harder than Aliens and will stop you getting eaten off of one of those lizard things with acid blood. Anyway, I'm harder than you, I gave my Wife a credit card and my Amazon password on Black Friday. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2018 18:14:02 GMT
I'm harder than the lot of you. I watched Alien last night with the lights off! I'm struggling to find what made you hard watching that!? |
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Mar 23, 2018 19:30:04 GMT
I'm harder than the lot of you. I watched Alien last night with the lights off! I'm struggling to find what made you hard watching that!? HR Geiger's striking art style speaks for itself. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 23, 2018 19:45:29 GMT
I'm struggling to find what made you hard watching that!? HR Geiger's striking art style speaks for itself. Fair play, each to their own. He done decent stuff on The Thing too, I think? Off topic...apologies |
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