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Post by vaughan on Dec 4, 2017 0:15:55 GMT
Stick to topic and remember these words uttered as early as February 2016.
A modern stadium is a must.
Plans please or even commitment to produce evidence of plans for this vital element of strategy.
Just pure waffle.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 4, 2017 1:07:19 GMT
Give Wael a break he is trying his best...overreaction he has already spent £12m what more can we honestly expect ...we have our own stadium a great manager and Bodin a million pound player After watching the interview yesterday how can you possibly say he is trying his best ? Wael attended Westminster School, Boston University and Harvard Business School and at any of those establishments he wouldn't have lasted five minutes if he had made such poor presentations. Not only that but how would customers, shareholders or other business partners react if they were offered anything like this by a "senior executive" at a bank ? Something is very wrong when the President of the club is given the chance to speak to the fans he professes to "love" and yet he can't be bothered to even prepare himself properly. Gasheads continue to put up with, and even revel in, this kind of mediocrity but we have been here before with Nick Higgs. Nick was clearly no mug and personally he liked the good things in life but when it came to Rovers he was allowed to get away with his blundering and blustering because fans thought it disloyal to demand better. We stayed passive then and we didn't pressurise Nick to get his act together and give Rovers the level of business performance he had achieved at Cowlin but the end result was failure with £7 million of debt. And here we are once more with owners who are supposed to be "successful bankers" but mediocrity is still the name of the game with debts now up to £12 million. Should we criticise or must we still cower in the corner and "be careful what we wish for". They've got us over a barrel haven't they ? Here is an interesting interview from October 2016 (when things were still apparently rosy) and note particularly the bit at 2 mins 10 secs . I believe he has said that elsewhere as well
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 4, 2017 9:00:23 GMT
9.00 "we have the best people, with the best experience on our side who have not built 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 stadiums. They've built 12.......they will be looking and exploring how we can regenerate the Mem. Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6969/reputational-damage?page=2#ixzz50Et6pbXkThis right?' We have people on our side who have built 12 stadiums???' Not seen this before. I have asked this question before, and will do so again. Does anyone know the names of the people who we are employing who have built these 12 stadiums??? We briefly employed someone involved with the Wembley Stadium build - who then disappeared a long time before the UWE officially collapsed. The conclusion will inevitably be (delivered by 'stadium build experts' or not) - that after extensive analysis - a full scale regeneration of the Memorial Stadium is not economically viable. When will we get this conclusion? Well - not any time soon. Because remember punters - "these things take time". It's so painfully obvious.
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Post by Igitur on Dec 4, 2017 9:01:07 GMT
The pitch was cutting up, certainly at the Blackthorn End, it looked like the pitch had been rolled, cut short and was wet, but their manager was magnanimous (almost): 'The conditions were poor with it being a soft pitch with divots everywhere. At half-time I told the lads not to do backward passes to our 'keeper because the ball was bobbling.
'But that isn't an excuse for us losing because it was the same for both teams although it did make it a more difficult game than we were expecting.
Read more: www.rotherham.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=514028#ixzz50Ej05eNM They weren't expecting a difficult game? That'll be why they lost, not a soggy pitch. Yep, I agree. Managers go looking for excuses when they lose, the guy chose the pitch, as his team had been outplayed, but had to say, "It's the same for both sides." I was backing up the point that the pitch was cutting up and was in a bit of a state; I'm an exile so I do not know the recent local weather conditions, but the pitch has been much better than that.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 4, 2017 9:09:14 GMT
Give Wael a break he is trying his best...overreaction he has already spent £12m what more can we honestly expect ...we have our own stadium a great manager and Bodin a million pound player After watching the interview yesterday how can you possibly say he is trying his best ? Wael attended Westminster School, Boston University and Harvard Business School and at any of those establishments he wouldn't have lasted five minutes if he had made such poor presentations. Not only that but how would customers, shareholders or other business partners react if they were offered anything like this by a "senior executive" at a bank ? Something is very wrong when the President of the club is given the chance to speak to the fans he professes to "love" and yet he can't be bothered to even prepare himself properly. That's not fair Swiss. Wael practiced and rehearsed "well, these things obviously take time". And he was able to deliver that answer on numerous occasions. For a charming and articulate man - that was an utter shocker and I am genuinely surprised he put up such a poor show. The only way for Wael to regain his credibility is by actually telling us the truth. Even it's really bad news. We can accept bad news as long as the owners are straight with us. Right now we're being "mugged off", as the youth of today are want to say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 9:09:32 GMT
If it was such a bad deal why were they so close to deal they thought they actually had a deal? Have you seen the terms? Where is the training ground with catagory 2 academy status that would have cost £10m they were promising? Care to defend that? These are great questions but I think you should be directing them at the owners. They can't answer them cause of the confidentiality clause. If it was all good for us though, it would have been built. Unless it was too big a risk, so most on here are happy for us to take that risk. If it was a good deal, it would be being built. Fans like to come up with other make believe reasons instead though. Easy to say it should have been built, without knowing the facts. There are 2 sayings you should take heed of firstly when in a hole put the shovel down and secondly you can't defend the indefensible both of which apply to your posts even the most avid rose tinter have realised this
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 4, 2017 9:54:07 GMT
They can't answer them cause of the confidentiality clause. If it was all good for us though, it would have been built. Unless it was too big a risk, so most on here are happy for us to take that risk. If it was a good deal, it would be being built. Fans like to come up with other make believe reasons instead though. Easy to say it should have been built, without knowing the facts. There are 2 sayings you should take heed of firstly when in a hole put the shovel down and secondly you can't defend the indefensible both of which apply to your posts even the most avid rose tinter have realised this What's indefensible?? Another person moaning, without knowing anything. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes. But because they are professional and keep things private, everything must be bad. Still not one person has given a half decent answer of what they have done that is so bad.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 4, 2017 11:39:54 GMT
I miss Nurse Ratched.
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Post by bs5 on Dec 4, 2017 12:07:50 GMT
The consensus of the "wake up and smell the coffee brigade" following Steve Hamer's radio session and Wael's pathetic interview yesterday is that we are being treated as mugs. I agree. Sad but true. What can we do? We can use the free press to ensure that the message gets out that all is not rosey with Smiley Waely's pipedream and that the supporters and manager feel betrayed by the promises that have culminated in the spectacular investment of a new club shop. That press outlet has to be The Gulf News and the like which impacts on the reputation of ALQs. The manager is now in open conflict and even the Chairman has been critical of the owners. Good material that will make the owner feel uncomfortable and will precipitate more investment or an acceleration of the end game. If the latter, let's get on with it. Not prepared to put up with years of stagnation whilst Wael comes up with crap like that. Not when there is planning permission for a new stadium and the greatest opportunity for investment that we have ever had. Marathon versus Sprint, it takes a long time etc. Who do they think we are? It's now or never. If Uwe is such a good deal, then why do they not want to do it? Still only seen a loads of rumours and stuff that does not even make sense. If Uwe was that good a deal for the club, they would have built it, as they could have sold us on for a profit, if that's what they wanted to do. If it's not a good deal and would lose us money, why would anyone want to build it? Why would it be such a good deal for us if someone else was in charge, but not now? I'm sure every one of you fans moaning on here have seen the terms Uwe wanted though? No you just like to guess and have a good moan. I smell a massive amount of deceit going on here because at one point possibly around about 14months ago a feasibility study needed to be carried out which is research that any would be investors can ensure that the proposed project will give them a return on their investment, this feasibility study was subsequently returned favourably , in fact at the time I was under the impression that this was just a case of dotting the I’s etc and then pretty much full steam ahead . What happened for all this to drastically not become viable ?🤔 Why was Michael Cunnagh let go and on the quiet also?
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Post by Igitur on Dec 4, 2017 12:08:39 GMT
There's clearly a fair number of fans happy to be as we are and to stay at the Mem as it is; as to being lied to having so many false horizons they are clearly used to it and feel powerless. In regards to finances, there are clubs without a flashy new stadium doing as well if not better than Rovers. The concept of revenue off the pitch is immaterial to many so long as pints can be had in crummy bars with mates and you can stand on the terracing watching average, at best, football and be viewed/viewing themselves as real football supporters. To a certain degree I can understand their viewpoint, the last thing I want is to sit in a sanitised lookalike plastic bowl of a stadium, detached from the players and surrounded by corporate/hospitality boxes.
The reputation of the AlQs is not in real danger, should they pull out they will disappear to Jordan, or Chelsea hospitality, and not be heard of again, they would not be the first owners of a football club to cut and run – and we would go through it all again. (The only thing keeping me going is seeing Wael in the stands, particularly away; he’s not going to get the big money, but is being drip fed the odd pound for scoreboards, toilets, covers on seats in bars...)
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Post by bs5 on Dec 4, 2017 13:39:43 GMT
There's clearly a fair number of fans happy to be as we are and to stay at the Mem as it is; as to being lied to having so many false horizons they are clearly used to it and feel powerless. In regards to finances, there are clubs without a flashy new stadium doing as well if not better than Rovers. The concept of revenue off the pitch is immaterial to many so long as pints can be had in crummy bars with mates and you can stand on the terracing watching average, at best, football and be viewed/viewing themselves as real football supporters. To a certain degree I can understand their viewpoint, the last thing I want is to sit in a sanitised lookalike plastic bowl of a stadium, detached from the players and surrounded by corporate/hospitality boxes. The reputation of the AlQs is not in real danger, should they pull out they will disappear to Jordan, or Chelsea hospitality, and not be heard of again, they would not be the first owners of a football club to cut and run – and we would go through it all again. (The only thing keeping me going is seeing Wael in the stands, particularly away; he’s not going to get the big money, but is being drip fed the odd pound for scoreboards, toilets, covers on seats in bars...) As much as the thought of a soulless bowl doesn’t inspire I think larger crowds ,decent facilities and tidy football would create atmosphere, one things for sure it is not viable for our long term future to remain where we are . As a football club we need to step forward with greater investment, greater facilities and the bod need to get their cheque book out if we have any aspirations. Try reading a book called ‘Annis - my story’ an autobiography about an ex- Cardiff City soul crew hooligan turned entrepreneurial nightclub owner and multi- millionaire who developed a life friendship with the infamous Sam Hamaan, this infamous Mr Hamaan although castigated for irregularities at the club was instrumental in getting Cardiff their much needed new stadium as he realised that Cardiff could not survive at Ninian Park , Cardiff in a very similar situation then as we find ourselves now with the exception that they didn’t have a multi-million quid stadium complete with full planning approval ready to go ahead . The need for a new stadium is alarmingly obvious but this can’t happen over ten years because quite frankly we won’t need a new shiny stadium in ten years because we will more than likely be playing football in the eight tier having local derbies with Bath City and Swindon-super-marine in of 2000 crowds if we’re lucky. Please read the book.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 15:53:08 GMT
There are 2 sayings you should take heed of firstly when in a hole put the shovel down and secondly you can't defend the indefensible both of which apply to your posts even the most avid rose tinter have realised this What's indefensible?? Another person moaning, without knowing anything. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes. But because they are professional and keep things private, everything must be bad. Still not one person has given a half decent answer of what they have done that is so bad. In that case bearing in mind the last 2 interviews by chairman and president doing nothing to dispel the feeling most fans have about any developments all we are getting fed is it all takes time. And you haven't given any reason why you believe they are going to do anything apart from 2 caravans serving alcohol and another tent.now we are being told they are getting the decorators in to touch up the paintwork. Big deal and you are still promulgating the myth of evolution not revolution
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 4, 2017 16:01:30 GMT
What's indefensible?? Another person moaning, without knowing anything. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes. But because they are professional and keep things private, everything must be bad. Still not one person has given a half decent answer of what they have done that is so bad. In that case bearing in mind the last 2 interviews by chairman and president doing nothing to dispel the feeling most fans have about any developments all we are getting fed is it all takes time. And you haven't given any reason why you believe they are going to do anything apart from 2 caravans serving alcohol and another tent.now we are being told they are getting the decorators in to touch up the paintwork. Big deal and you are still promulgating the myth of evolution not revolution There are questions for the Al-Qadi's to answer about the longer term plans for sure, but as I said on this thread or elsewhere. Wael never said it was a bit of paint and tarting up and they weren't going to do anything else with The Mem
There is plenty enough justifiable criticism of the owners at the moment with the way some things have been handled, without people creating things they didn't actually say in an interview
The Al-Qadi's might as well leave The Mem in the state it is, and get criticised for that if they want to leave
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Post by vaughan on Dec 4, 2017 16:11:23 GMT
The last 2 weeks have all been about asking reasonable questions and there has been next to nothing coming back.
Hamer said that all he could do was suggest a stand by stand development to the owners. There was no feedback from the meeting with Hani on Friday 24th November. There was nothing mentioned during Wael interview.
Let's face it. Everything seems to point to a massive bluff.
Wael by name, Waffael by nature.
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Post by vaughan on Dec 4, 2017 16:14:37 GMT
And not a Stadium expert heard or seen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 16:19:47 GMT
The last 2 weeks have all been about asking reasonable questions and there has been next to nothing coming back. Hamer said that all he could do was suggest a stand by stand development to the owners. There was no feedback from the meeting with Hani on Friday 24th November. There was nothing mentioned during Wael interview. Let's face it. Everything seems to point to a massive bluff. Wael by name, Waffael by nature. We all know all of the feasibility stuff was done in 2005 for The Mem. I doubt very much has changed about the viability of rebuilding just the costs. Perhaps the chairman could pop along to Colin Williams's box at the next game and ask him for all of the information. He will give it to him and without any bulls***. I do know that in reality the whole of the stadium would have never been rebuilt and that was before the new board (2006) got carried away with moving the club out of Bristol to Cheltenham.
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Post by vaughan on Dec 4, 2017 16:23:34 GMT
So Kevin,
Based on your knowledge of stadium plans via associates, do you smell bulls**t from current owners ref plans for the Mem?
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 4, 2017 16:25:11 GMT
So Kevin, Based on your knowledge of stadium plans via associates, do you smell bulls*** from current owners ref plans for the Mem? Bulls**t or they just don't know what to do
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 16:43:39 GMT
So Kevin, Based on your knowledge of stadium plans via associates, do you smell bulls*** from current owners ref plans for the Mem? I sense a change in appetite to invest in the club. Maybe the new owners have realised that at League 1 level you own a club for the love of it not for a financial return. A regenerated Memorial Stadium will not provide a financial return to investors but it might generate enough additional income for the club to break even. I'm not sure if break even is a target that would satisfy investors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 16:44:24 GMT
So Kevin, Based on your knowledge of stadium plans via associates, do you smell bulls*** from current owners ref plans for the Mem? Bulls*** or they just don't know what to do Treading water is where I think we are at the moment Sprout.
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