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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 3, 2017 13:22:30 GMT
from fairly sensible posters, I think....
'It's clear that the club was bought for Wael perhaps to keep him occupied and now we know that not all the family members see the purchase in the same way which must create some tension between the brothers. Hamer and DC listened to Wael's aspirations for the club but now we know the decisions are really Hani's to make and communication with Hani appears difficult.'
'In the early 80's we had a new stadium application at Kingswood rejected.It was to be constructed sunken into the ground so as to minimise noise pollution but a then Swindon Director who was involved in our application told me at Maine Road when I was officiating how devastated he was with the rejection.He was clearly upset having put a lot of work into our planning application......When we were told to choose season ticket seats at Cheltenham for 2 years I realised that with no demolishing taking place for the Mem to be re-built and no contractors actually having been signed up perhaps my Cheltenham choice of seat might not be actually needed.We were told the Mem hadn't been demolished ready for the New Build as the players needed somewhere to meet prior to games!!!!.That too as we all know proved to be another failed mission but we did pay into a share scheme to keep us afloat.Then we had the 'Watertight' Nick Higgs Sainsbury's deal' and now more failure to improve our ramshackle infrastructure.
But Hey,'Be Patient'
'Chatting to someone who had involvent with UWE design when Higgs was in charge was eye opening as anyone hearing about the Al-Qadis and what Hani does or doesnt want to spend.
The level of cutbacks waa going to leave UWE a shell basically'
'So what I was told at the AFC Wimbledon game was correct. They wanted an all star training ground but didn’t want to pay for it. The budget given was £2m when it needed more like £10m spent. So they are scaling it back and getting what they can for £2m. ..........Tarting up the Mem. Why would you bother spending money on the toilets if you had plans to level it?
.......It doesn’t help when our Commercial and Communication man Tom Gorringe happens to be the best mate of our chairman’s son...'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 14:30:18 GMT
...."Tom Gorringe happens to be the best mate of our chairman's son", is this true ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 20:30:54 GMT
how much would need to be spent redeveloping the mem ? , 15/20/30 million ?
never gonna happen
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 3, 2017 20:53:24 GMT
'So what I was told at the AFC Wimbledon game was correct. They wanted an all star training ground but didn’t want to pay for it. The budget given was £2m when it needed more like £10m spent. So they are scaling it back and getting what they can for £2m This is spot on. Wael got carried away engaging project managers and other contractors to design and build a top class facility. I'm guessing that Hani was writing the cheques but leaving Hamer and Wael to get on with it. Hani found out how much this was costing and stepped in to insist the PM built it for £2m - hence the ongoing dispute(s). It wasn't just a fencing contractor. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 20:58:40 GMT
how much would need to be spent redeveloping the mem ? , 15/20/30 million ? never gonna happen We know the answer, if you are serious then the introduction price for doing it to a decent standard is £45,000,000. That's what 1982 have spent, their's is OK but not spectacular from what I can see. Just in case you can't decide on a reason from the list why it won't happen, I'll give you one. £45m was the price for UWE with all of the additional benefits, car parking, better access, scope to increase size later etc etc etc, but they would have got around £15m for The Mem, so nett spend would have been £30m, and they would have had something better. Hit delete for all memory files associated with new stadiums. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 3, 2017 22:39:25 GMT
how much would need to be spent redeveloping the mem ? , 15/20/30 million ? never gonna happen We know the answer, if you are serious then the introduction price for doing it to a decent standard is £45,000,000. That's what 1982 have spent, their's is OK but not spectacular from what I can see. Just in case you can't decide on a reason from the list why it won't happen, I'll give you one. £45m was the price for UWE with all of the additional benefits, car parking, better access, scope to increase size later etc etc etc, but they would have got around £15m for The Mem, so nett spend would have been £30m, and they would have had something better. Hit delete for all memory files associated with new stadiums. To be fair even if they only spend £2 million on the training ground to start with, that's better than we have now! Plus they bought the land in the first place. So how much would they have spent on it all together?? Instead of being happy for making progress, even if slower than we would like, fans want them to go. Atleast we can carry out renting training facilities long term then! Some fans need to be careful what they wish for. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 3, 2017 22:51:50 GMT
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 3, 2017 23:04:35 GMT
We know the answer, if you are serious then the introduction price for doing it to a decent standard is £45,000,000. That's what 1982 have spent, their's is OK but not spectacular from what I can see. Just in case you can't decide on a reason from the list why it won't happen, I'll give you one. £45m was the price for UWE with all of the additional benefits, car parking, better access, scope to increase size later etc etc etc, but they would have got around £15m for The Mem, so nett spend would have been £30m, and they would have had something better. Hit delete for all memory files associated with new stadiums. To be fair even if they only spend £2 million on the training ground to start with, that's better than we have now! Plus they bought the land in the first place. So how much would they have spent on it all together?? Instead of being happy for making progress, even if slower than we would like, fans want them to go. Atleast we can carry out renting training facilities long term then! Some fans need to be careful what they wish for. How's it going Wael? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 23:14:28 GMT
We know the answer, if you are serious then the introduction price for doing it to a decent standard is £45,000,000. That's what 1982 have spent, their's is OK but not spectacular from what I can see. Just in case you can't decide on a reason from the list why it won't happen, I'll give you one. £45m was the price for UWE with all of the additional benefits, car parking, better access, scope to increase size later etc etc etc, but they would have got around £15m for The Mem, so nett spend would have been £30m, and they would have had something better. Hit delete for all memory files associated with new stadiums. To be fair even if they only spend £2 million on the training ground to start with, that's better than we have now! Plus they bought the land in the first place. So how much would they have spent on it all together?? Instead of being happy for making progress, even if slower than we would like, fans want them to go. Atleast we can carry out renting training facilities long term then! Some fans need to be careful what they wish for. I don't want the owners to go, I want them to do what they said they would when they arrived. The problem is that what Wael and Hamer have been saying doesn't make a huge amount of sense, and it looks like we are running a very serious risk of losing our manager unless the owners can convince him that they actually do have a plan and a time line to deliver it. So, let me ask you this, based on their interviews, would you trust either Hamer or Wael to find a better replacement? Ref the land that they have bought, I don't know a huge amount about that parcel of land, but on the face of it, it doesn't look to have been expensive for what it is. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 3, 2017 23:32:44 GMT
To be fair even if they only spend £2 million on the training ground to start with, that's better than we have now! Plus they bought the land in the first place. So how much would they have spent on it all together?? Instead of being happy for making progress, even if slower than we would like, fans want them to go. Atleast we can carry out renting training facilities long term then! Some fans need to be careful what they wish for. I don't want the owners to go, I want them to do what they said they would when they arrived. The problem is that what Wael and Hamer have been saying doesn't make a huge amount of sense, and it looks like we are running a very serious risk of losing our manager unless the owners can convince him that they actually do have a plan and a time line to deliver it. So, let me ask you this, based on their interviews, would you trust either Hamer or Wael to find a better replacement? Ref the land that they have bought, I don't know a huge amount about that parcel of land, but on the face of it, it doesn't look to have been expensive for what it is. I wouldn't judge it on this interview. He didn't want to do it and was answering questions that Hamer answered a few weeks before. You would expect him to look pissed off. Pointless interview that only took place because of fan pressure. Not like he has no contacts in the football world. So who knows who he would bring in to replace DC if he left. I'm a big DC fan, but he did spend more on Nichols than any other manager has spent for about 30 years! So not like he hasn't been backed at all. January is a big month and DC knows this. Wouldn't be surprised if his comments were to ensure he gets more to spend LOL. Can judge the board more after January. If things were that bad, why is Wael attending games still and giving interviews at all?? Surely he would just go back to watching Chelsea if he didn't care and wanted out. |
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 3, 2017 23:40:19 GMT
I don't want the owners to go, I want them to do what they said they would when they arrived. The problem is that what Wael and Hamer have been saying doesn't make a huge amount of sense, and it looks like we are running a very serious risk of losing our manager unless the owners can convince him that they actually do have a plan and a time line to deliver it. So, let me ask you this, based on their interviews, would you trust either Hamer or Wael to find a better replacement? Ref the land that they have bought, I don't know a huge amount about that parcel of land, but on the face of it, it doesn't look to have been expensive for what it is. I wouldn't judge it on this interview. He didn't want to do it and was answering questions that Hamer answered a few weeks before. You would expect him to look pissed off. Pointless interview that only took place because of fan pressure. Not like he has no contacts in the football world. So who knows who he would bring in to replace DC if he left. I'm a big DC fan, but he did spend more on Nichols than any other manager has spent for about 30 years! So not like he hasn't been backed at all. January is a big month and DC knows this. Wouldn't be surprised if his comments were to ensure he gets more to spend LOL. Can judge the board more after January. If things were that bad, why is Wael attending games still and giving interviews at all?? Surely he would just go back to watching Chelsea if he didn't care and wanted out. Giving an interview after the collapse of the latest multi million pound stadium project was pointless? |
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 4, 2017 0:09:21 GMT
I wouldn't judge it on this interview. He didn't want to do it and was answering questions that Hamer answered a few weeks before. You would expect him to look pissed off. Pointless interview that only took place because of fan pressure. Not like he has no contacts in the football world. So who knows who he would bring in to replace DC if he left. I'm a big DC fan, but he did spend more on Nichols than any other manager has spent for about 30 years! So not like he hasn't been backed at all. January is a big month and DC knows this. Wouldn't be surprised if his comments were to ensure he gets more to spend LOL. Can judge the board more after January. If things were that bad, why is Wael attending games still and giving interviews at all?? Surely he would just go back to watching Chelsea if he didn't care and wanted out. Giving an interview after the collapse of the latest multi million pound stadium project was pointless? Repeating what Hamer said was yes. Do we need to be told the same things twice? Maybe some fans do. I take it you have no answers then, so busy choose to ignore the questions LOL. Do you not think if it was a good deal for the club, it would have been built? What ever the boards intention? |
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 4, 2017 0:12:06 GMT
Giving an interview after the collapse of the latest multi million pound stadium project was pointless? Repeating what Hamer said was yes. Do we need to be told the same things twice? Maybe some fans do. I take it you have no answers then, so busy choose to ignore the questions LOL. Do you not think if it was a good deal for the club, it would have been built? What ever the boards intention? Are you Wael? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 4, 2017 7:46:29 GMT
Repeating what Hamer said was yes. Do we need to be told the same things twice? Maybe some fans do. I take it you have no answers then, so busy choose to ignore the questions LOL. Do you not think if it was a good deal for the club, it would have been built? What ever the boards intention? Are you Wael? Is your first name Ted by chance ? |
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 4, 2017 8:07:41 GMT
how much would need to be spent redeveloping the mem ? , 15/20/30 million ? never gonna happen We know the answer, if you are serious then the introduction price for doing it to a decent standard is £45,000,000. That's what 1982 have spent, their's is OK but not spectacular from what I can see. Just in case you can't decide on a reason from the list why it won't happen, I'll give you one. £45m was the price for UWE with all of the additional benefits, car parking, better access, scope to increase size later etc etc etc, but they would have got around £15m for The Mem, so nett spend would have been £30m, and they would have had something better. Hit delete for all memory files associated with new stadiums. Surely though The Al-Qadi's wouldn't have spent on UWE outside of any funds from The Mem anyway. Financing for the rest of it would have come from outside investment/sponsorship or whatever.
The task then would be ensuring a decent split of revenue that satisfied UWE, BRFCs ongoing needs and servicing the debt that built it.
Talking to someone on Saturday who had dealings with the UWE project, I was amazed at the amount of cutback NH wanted to make at UWE just to build it and we would have ended up with a shell with a few seats bolted on
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 9:14:46 GMT
We know the answer, if you are serious then the introduction price for doing it to a decent standard is £45,000,000. That's what 1982 have spent, their's is OK but not spectacular from what I can see. Just in case you can't decide on a reason from the list why it won't happen, I'll give you one. £45m was the price for UWE with all of the additional benefits, car parking, better access, scope to increase size later etc etc etc, but they would have got around £15m for The Mem, so nett spend would have been £30m, and they would have had something better. Hit delete for all memory files associated with new stadiums. Surely though The Al-Qadi's wouldn't have spent on UWE outside of any funds from The Mem anyway. Financing for the rest of it would have come from outside investment/sponsorship or whatever.
The task then would be ensuring a decent split of revenue that satisfied UWE, BRFCs ongoing needs and servicing the debt that built it.
Talking to someone on Saturday who had dealings with the UWE project, I was amazed at the amount of cutback NH wanted to make at UWE just to build it and we would have ended up with a shell with a few seats bolted on
It doesn't matter if they were going to fund it themselves or look for partners, the point still stands, unless I'm missing something fundamental, UWE was a hugely cheaper way of getting a stadium built. Don't believe a word of that stuff about Higgs, he's a Gashead don't you know? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 4, 2017 9:35:24 GMT
Surely though The Al-Qadi's wouldn't have spent on UWE outside of any funds from The Mem anyway. Financing for the rest of it would have come from outside investment/sponsorship or whatever.
The task then would be ensuring a decent split of revenue that satisfied UWE, BRFCs ongoing needs and servicing the debt that built it.
Talking to someone on Saturday who had dealings with the UWE project, I was amazed at the amount of cutback NH wanted to make at UWE just to build it and we would have ended up with a shell with a few seats bolted on
It doesn't matter if they were going to fund it themselves or look for partners, the point still stands, unless I'm missing something fundamental, UWE was a hugely cheaper way of getting a stadium built. Don't believe a word of that stuff about Higgs, he's a Gashead don't you know?Was he there on Saturday ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 9:54:09 GMT
It doesn't matter if they were going to fund it themselves or look for partners, the point still stands, unless I'm missing something fundamental, UWE was a hugely cheaper way of getting a stadium built. Don't believe a word of that stuff about Higgs, he's a Gashead don't you know?Was he there on Saturday ? No idea, could have been on the Island of Sodor for all I know. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 4, 2017 10:10:43 GMT
Was he there on Saturday ? No idea, could have been on the Island of Sodor for all I know. Not much of a Gashead then....  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 10:22:19 GMT
Surely though The Al-Qadi's wouldn't have spent on UWE outside of any funds from The Mem anyway. Financing for the rest of it would have come from outside investment/sponsorship or whatever.
The task then would be ensuring a decent split of revenue that satisfied UWE, BRFCs ongoing needs and servicing the debt that built it.
Talking to someone on Saturday who had dealings with the UWE project, I was amazed at the amount of cutback NH wanted to make at UWE just to build it and we would have ended up with a shell with a few seats bolted on
It doesn't matter if they were going to fund it themselves or look for partners, the point still stands, unless I'm missing something fundamental, UWE was a hugely cheaper way of getting a stadium built. Don't believe a word of that stuff about Higgs, he's a Gashead don't you know? built and viable are 2 different things mind |
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