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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 22:52:08 GMT
I cannot say I am too impressed.
I would like to imagine DC advocating for his position privately to SH and WAQ.
I would like SH and WAQ then to make representations in turn to HAQ/DS.
I too would like to see hear less about our 'dirty laundry' on BBC Radio Bristol.
I would like to hear more about what DC intends to solve, and less whining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 23:56:07 GMT
Agree with much of this.why are we washing our dirty washing in public? Why aren’t all concerned talking about it in private and trying to sort it out. Perhaps they have and it’s come to this. I would much rather see DC concentrating on the playing side and there’s plenty to put right at the moment, getting defenders to defend and attackers to score would be good to see. I’m presuming this particular piece is to do with BBs likely rejection of the contract offer. Now DC has to step up to the mark and get these players winning again. Blimey, this stuff is almost all self inflicted! Mind you after missing 6 weeks this season I’m looking forward to Saturday and Rotherham. UTG! Except that he made it clear in the interview that he has no idea if hes shopping at waitrose and poundland. In other words its not just the fans the owners arnt talking too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 0:02:54 GMT
I liked the interview.
Dc wears his heart on his sleeve and just tells it as he sees it.
With 2 home games coming up we will all soon see if the players buy into his "backs to the wall roll are sleeves up despite financial issues attitude"
A whole list of managers went down the pan with hardly a murmur about any deeper problems at the club in the higgs era so im with him on this one especially as the owners promised so much and have delivered so little.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 1, 2017 1:07:35 GMT
Agree with much of this.why are we washing our dirty washing in public? Why aren’t all concerned talking about it in private and trying to sort it out. Perhaps they have and it’s come to this. I would much rather see DC concentrating on the playing side and there’s plenty to put right at the moment, getting defenders to defend and attackers to score would be good to see. I’m presuming this particular piece is to do with BBs likely rejection of the contract offer. Now DC has to step up to the mark and get these players winning again. Blimey, this stuff is almost all self inflicted! Mind you after missing 6 weeks this season I’m looking forward to Saturday and Rotherham. UTG! Except that he made it clear in the interview that he has no idea if hes shopping at waitrose and poundland. In other words its not just the fans the owners arnt talking too. You might be right and most seem to agree with you but I just feel this stuff should be dealt with in private. All this public bickering just comes over as making us a club in crisis and plays into our opponents hands. I would never have played out situations like this in public. Perhaps DC will get a good reaction from the players. Let’s hope so. UTG! |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 1, 2017 1:12:41 GMT
Except that he made it clear in the interview that he has no idea if hes shopping at waitrose and poundland. In other words its not just the fans the owners arnt talking too. You might be right and most seem to agree with you but I just feel this stuff should be dealt with in private. All this public bickering just comes over as making us a club in crisis and plays into our opponents hands. I would never have played out situations like this in public. Perhaps DC will get a good reaction from the players. Let’s hope so. UTG! I'm thinking that DC/others don't have the chance to do this in private, so that this is his only option. Which is probably what blueiris was saying |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 1, 2017 4:46:59 GMT
A small point re wages cap of players and all, fair enough living within our means, most of us can relate to that in real world.
Prior to fair play we paid higher wages and just seemed to attract journeymen. Dc used this argument in the past.
So it's all very good paying more and upping the budget, but the risk is we attract a different kind of motivation in that.
Sh*t over the river signed loads of them before (apparently) getting it temporarily right, I just don't think we have that expenditure..
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Post by danrory on Dec 1, 2017 6:46:28 GMT
As I recall, rovers have only shopped once at waitrose and big Malcolm Allison was pushing the trolley.
Despite thumping our neighbours 4-0 we still sank like a stone that season
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Post by bs5 on Dec 1, 2017 7:15:19 GMT
Well he has spent more than 135k hasnt he. He is using the net spent argument surely? If you sell 1 player for 300k and buy 3 for 300k for example you have still spent 300k on players surely you’ve spent £600k? |
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 1, 2017 7:57:13 GMT
You might be right and most seem to agree with you but I just feel this stuff should be dealt with in private. All this public bickering just comes over as making us a club in crisis and plays into our opponents hands. I would never have played out situations like this in public. Perhaps DC will get a good reaction from the players. Let’s hope so. UTG! I'm thinking that DC/others don't have the chance to do this in private, so that this is his only option. Which is probably what blueiris was saying Kind of agree.
DC asking Dwane Sports for money is no different than asking whatever board for more money.
The difference is though it isn't a case of going direct to Nick Higgs on a Monday morning, DC now has to go to Steve Hamer/Wael and they have to go and ask Dwane and it is a longer/slower process. must be frustrating when DC (or any manager wants to get on with things)
At the same time I don't think DC's comments are much different to any other managers as well. DC knows how to use the media if he wants to. Currently we are on a poor run of form and he will use that to put pressure on to get a decent budget 'to keep us up', 'push on' or whatever term you want to pick, just like any other manager would
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 1, 2017 9:08:47 GMT
Top 6 for home attendances (8,886 2017-2018), but bottom 6 for the salaries we pay players. How the f*ck are BRFC losing circa £1mil a year??? Allegedly by employing numerous "industry specialists" and having a really super Development team. Bollocks to that.
We should be paying a little more in salaries and should STILL be able to operate without incurring losses.
Darrell Clarke (I assume) refers to a net spend of £135k over 3 1/2 years. Conference to 10th in Division 1. A minor miracle and up there with what Gerry Francis achieved.
Darrell Clarke: "I don't mind saying openly that the only reason I'm here now is for the supporters". This is open warfare now with the owners. "Back me or sack me".
If he's sacked Box 1 better get some extra security in. It appears we are at an impasse.
The only positive I can take right now is that Darrell is trying to create a bunker mentality where it's his team vs. the world. What a horrible mess.
The only way out of this is for Dwane Sports to find a buyer and just f*ck off. Soon.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 1, 2017 9:30:48 GMT
Top 6 for home attendances (8,886 2017-2018), but bottom 6 for the salaries we pay players. How the f*ck are BRFC losing circa £1mil a year??? Allegedly by employing numerous "industry specialists" and having a really super Development team. Bollocks to that. We should be paying a little more in salaries and should STILL be able to operate without incurring losses. Darrell Clarke (I assume) refers to a net spend of £135k over 3 1/2 years. Conference to 10th in Division 1. A minor miracle and up there with what Gerry Francis achieved. Darrell Clarke: "I don't mind saying openly that the only reason I'm here now is for the supporters". This is open warfare now with the owners. "Back me or sack me". If he's sacked Box 1 better get some extra security in. It appears we are at an impasse. The only positive I can take right now is that Darrell is trying to create a bunker mentality where it's his team vs. the world. What a horrible mess. The only way out of this is for Dwane Sports to find a buyer and just f*ck off. Soon. DC wants better facilities, better players and all these staff. Fine I get that an understand
but would he rather have money for players and no staff?
we all, want it all, but we can't always have it all at least not all in the short term
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 1, 2017 10:08:13 GMT
You might be right and most seem to agree with you but I just feel this stuff should be dealt with in private. All this public bickering just comes over as making us a club in crisis and plays into our opponents hands. I would never have played out situations like this in public. Perhaps DC will get a good reaction from the players. Let’s hope so. UTG! I'm thinking that DC/others don't have the chance to do this in private, so that this is his only option. Which is probably what blueiris was saying Yes which was why I said “you may be right”. But no one comes out of this well, least of all the club. It’s no good trying to divide the club into players, fans and board/owners, you’re either for the club or not. It’s, imo, silly to try and divide up by saying I’m only here for the fans. All this stuff has talked everyone on here and the team into a relegation mess. Month ago we were sitting comfortable in mid table. Now it seems that we’re talking ourselves into certs for relegation. Crazy! Let’s hope we can concentrate on tomorrow and perhaps a win. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 12:09:14 GMT
Top 6 for home attendances (8,886 2017-2018), but bottom 6 for the salaries we pay players. How the f*ck are BRFC losing circa £1mil a year??? Allegedly by employing numerous "industry specialists" and having a really super Development team. Bollocks to that. We should be paying a little more in salaries and should STILL be able to operate without incurring losses. Darrell Clarke (I assume) refers to a net spend of £135k over 3 1/2 years. Conference to 10th in Division 1. A minor miracle and up there with what Gerry Francis achieved. Darrell Clarke: "I don't mind saying openly that the only reason I'm here now is for the supporters". This is open warfare now with the owners. "Back me or sack me". If he's sacked Box 1 better get some extra security in. It appears we are at an impasse. The only positive I can take right now is that Darrell is trying to create a bunker mentality where it's his team vs. the world. What a horrible mess. The only way out of this is for Dwane Sports to find a buyer and just f*ck off. Soon. Ref "a really super development team" the idea is to get a decent percentage of these lads into the 1st team. Quite a few including rollin menayese notably have already featured and i believe this project at least is a modest amount of money well spent. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 12:13:52 GMT
I'm thinking that DC/others don't have the chance to do this in private, so that this is his only option. Which is probably what blueiris was saying Yes which was why I said “you may be right”. But no one comes out of this well, least of all the club. It’s no good trying to divide the club into players, fans and board/owners, you’re either for the club or not. It’s, imo, silly to try and divide up by saying I’m only here for the fans. All this stuff has talked everyone on here and the team into a relegation mess. Month ago we were sitting comfortable in mid table. Now it seems that we’re talking ourselves into certs for relegation. Crazy! Let’s hope we can concentrate on tomorrow and perhaps a win. UTG! I do think that if our form dosnt improve quickly the manager will be open to people saying hes made the situation worse for the team with his public outbursts. On the other hand if we move up the table it will appear that the "siege mentality" type theory worked. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 1, 2017 12:44:30 GMT
Top 6 for home attendances (8,886 2017-2018), but bottom 6 for the salaries we pay players. How the f*ck are BRFC losing circa £1mil a year??? Allegedly by employing numerous "industry specialists" and having a really super Development team. Bollocks to that. We should be paying a little more in salaries and should STILL be able to operate without incurring losses. Darrell Clarke (I assume) refers to a net spend of £135k over 3 1/2 years. Conference to 10th in Division 1. A minor miracle and up there with what Gerry Francis achieved. Darrell Clarke: "I don't mind saying openly that the only reason I'm here now is for the supporters". This is open warfare now with the owners. "Back me or sack me". If he's sacked Box 1 better get some extra security in. It appears we are at an impasse. The only positive I can take right now is that Darrell is trying to create a bunker mentality where it's his team vs. the world. What a horrible mess. The only way out of this is for Dwane Sports to find a buyer and just f*ck off. Soon. Ref "a really super development team" the idea is to get a decent percentage of these lads into the 1st team. Quite a few including rollin menayese notably have already featured and i believe this project at least is a modest amount of money well spent. I don't disagree that a good development squad is essential in the long run. And I don't begrudge a modest amount of money spent there. But it still begs the question - where has the rest of the money gone? |
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 1, 2017 19:27:49 GMT
Question
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Other clubs to have back to back promotions in recent seasons are?
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Post by droitwichgas on Dec 1, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
I'm thinking that DC/others don't have the chance to do this in private, so that this is his only option. Which is probably what blueiris was saying Kind of agree.
DC asking Dwane Sports for money is no different than asking whatever board for more money.
The difference is though it isn't a case of going direct to Nick Higgs on a Monday morning, DC now has to go to Steve Hamer/Wael and they have to go and ask Dwane and it is a longer/slower process. must be frustrating when DC (or any manager wants to get on with things)
At the same time I don't think DC's comments are much different to any other managers as well. DC knows how to use the media if he wants to. Currently we are on a poor run of form and he will use that to put pressure on to get a decent budget 'to keep us up', 'push on' or whatever term you want to pick, just like any other manager would
Why have fans copied SH and started talking about DS as if it's some massive foreign corporation when it's basically Hani as MD and Wael as co. secretary, all Wael needs to do his ask his big bro what he's prepared to spend on transfers and then report back to SH/DC whatever he's told he can spend, at worse it's a 4 way discussion with the old and middle brother. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 1, 2017 20:13:51 GMT
Kind of agree.
DC asking Dwane Sports for money is no different than asking whatever board for more money.
The difference is though it isn't a case of going direct to Nick Higgs on a Monday morning, DC now has to go to Steve Hamer/Wael and they have to go and ask Dwane and it is a longer/slower process. must be frustrating when DC (or any manager wants to get on with things)
At the same time I don't think DC's comments are much different to any other managers as well. DC knows how to use the media if he wants to. Currently we are on a poor run of form and he will use that to put pressure on to get a decent budget 'to keep us up', 'push on' or whatever term you want to pick, just like any other manager would
Why have fans copied SH and started talking about DS as if it's some massive foreign corporation when it's basically Hani as MD and Wael as co. secretary, all Wael needs to do his ask his big bro what he's prepared to spend on transfers and then report back to SH/DC whatever he's told he can spend, at worse it's a 4 way discussion with the old and middle brother. Oh no i agree its not like DS is some massive corporation that needs navigating, but BRFC is probably not top of Hani's daily to do list |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2017 20:30:16 GMT
Right on. DS is HAQ. BRFC is WAQ. BRFC when WAQ is out is SH.
DS/HAQ lends BRFC/WAQ money at 6% interest, which is not 'drawn', so compunds until an unknown outcome.
DS/HAQ owns Hortham Idiot Colony Farm, and would be landlord should BRFC become training ground tenants.
DS vs BRFC is HAQ vs WAQ, a personal family affair, but is a very public matter for gasheads.
People keep writing on here that third division football club ownership is no way to make money.
Perhaps a lender to a third division football club could hope to make money in interest.
Perhaps a landlord to a third division football club could hope to make money in rent.
Perhaps BRFC would have paid DS rent for the UWE had it proceeded.
At least until the Memorial Ground sale proceeds ran out.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 1, 2017 20:37:32 GMT
Question And I don't know the answer Other clubs to have back to back promotions in recent seasons are? Fleetwood Town and AFC Wimbledon |
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