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Post by bs5 on Nov 6, 2017 12:10:38 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG :
I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company
In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected
IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful
Work was completed
No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week
They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site
I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed
If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery
So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal
I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me.
I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 6, 2017 12:15:44 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. BS5 Thanks for your post, i for one will not slaughter you for it. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 6, 2017 12:41:05 GMT
Two questions not being critical
"instructed by brick"
"I am fully behind Daryl"
who are these two people
As an aside without access to the tendered contract I am guessing stage payments were agreed ?
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Post by trunky on Nov 6, 2017 12:53:36 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. I think that we are all now aware (or should be) that things aren't right, we the fans have been fed another load of bull---- by the current administration. The only thing that comforts me is that they will soon be gone and we can all get back down to earth. |
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Post by mjhgas on Nov 6, 2017 12:58:38 GMT
A quick internet search shows that 275m of fencing at 3m in height costs £13k so we must either have a big field or labour costs have gone up! I hope we have a big field  Aside from an expensive fence, we also have a field fully lined with excessive hedgerows - good for wildlife, but no good for pro-football. Still, it's keeping people out. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 6, 2017 13:03:30 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legal I am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. I think people have only 'dismissed' it because there have been no 'facts' or evidence presented to actually debate. Has anyone actually blamed the companies that worked the site. People have only reasonably suggested perhaps there were disputes for payment to be withheld, it's hard to have a discussion or debate with one side that only says yeah but they haven't done x and provides little information
The question is still what is the cause/official reason of the non payment/staged payments from BRFC's side. I m not saying anyone would or should believe the official line, that is up to individuals but the other side of the story is needed still
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Post by bs5 on Nov 6, 2017 13:21:21 GMT
A quick internet search shows that 275m of fencing at 3m in height costs £13k so we must either have a big field or labour costs have gone up! I hope we have a big field Aside from an expensive fence, we also have a field fully lined with excessive hedgerows - good for wildlife, but no good for pro-football. Still, it's keeping people out. Coming from a builder an agreed upon quote is a quote regardless of cost also reading between the lines it’s more than just a fence that they have quoted for. |
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 6, 2017 13:43:59 GMT
A quick internet search shows that 275m of fencing at 3m in height costs £13k so we must either have a big field or labour costs have gone up! I hope we have a big field Aside from an expensive fence, we also have a field fully lined with excessive hedgerows - good for wildlife, but no good for pro-football. Still, it's keeping people out. Coming from a builder an agreed upon quote is a quote regardless of cost also reading between the lines it’s more than just a fence that they have quoted for. Indeed it is. So having explained that bit can you please explain why it has not been paid? Not clear, to me anyway, from your OP as to why that may be. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 6, 2017 14:21:59 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legalI am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. So have J&G gone "legal" or not? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 14:34:53 GMT
Did someone take a fence?
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Post by bs5 on Nov 6, 2017 15:13:57 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legalI am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. So have J&G gone "legal" or not? obviously j&g have gone legal but other “companies who worked this site’ are likely to follow although they’re having their resolve tested through their love of the club. |
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Post by bs5 on Nov 6, 2017 15:29:00 GMT
Coming from a builder an agreed upon quote is a quote regardless of cost also reading between the lines it’s more than just a fence that they have quoted for. Indeed it is. So having explained that bit can you please explain why it has not been paid? Not clear, to me anyway, from your OP as to why that may be. Well it seems the club aren’t very quick to pay their debts as if you read between the lines on the OP you will see that J&G have gone legal and others that have worked the site are also yet to be paid , which either means all the contractors have not done their job correctly or the club have instructed various companies to carry out the work without having any intention of paying them or at the very least hang it out for time to pay as they haven’t got the money . My money is on the latter as other debts have come to light such as Avon and Somerset constabulary had to threaten action for last seasons Old bill bill and I’ve also heard that the hosts(ess’s) have been given their p45’s even though they haven’t been paid for 3 months. People need to start pulling their heads out of the sand pretty sharpish . |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 6, 2017 15:42:23 GMT
Indeed it is. So having explained that bit can you please explain why it has not been paid? Not clear, to me anyway, from your OP as to why that may be. Well it seems the club aren’t very quick to pay their debts as if you read between the lines on the OP you will see that J&G have gone legal and others that have worked the site are also yet to be paid , which either means all the contractors have not done their job correctly or the club have instructed various companies to carry out the work without having any intention of paying them or at the very least hang it out for time to pay as they haven’t got the money . My money is on the latter as other debts have come to light such as Avon and Somerset constabulary had to threaten action for last seasons Old bill bill and I’ve also heard that the hosts(ess’s) have been given their p45’s even though they haven’t been paid for 3 months. People need to start pulling their heads out of the sand pretty sharpish . I am not going to argue whether any of that is true or not
BUT how can I pull my head out of the sand when I am just a bloke on the terrace that hasn't heard any of these new allegations. What exactly am I and many others ignoring if we don't know about it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:23:10 GMT
Well it seems the club aren’t very quick to pay their debts as if you read between the lines on the OP you will see that J&G have gone legal and others that have worked the site are also yet to be paid , which either means all the contractors have not done their job correctly or the club have instructed various companies to carry out the work without having any intention of paying them or at the very least hang it out for time to pay as they haven’t got the money . My money is on the latter as other debts have come to light such as Avon and Somerset constabulary had to threaten action for last seasons Old bill bill and I’ve also heard that the hosts(ess’s) have been given their p45’s even though they haven’t been paid for 3 months. People need to start pulling their heads out of the sand pretty sharpish . I am not going to argue whether any of that is true or not
BUT how can I pull my head out of the sand when I am just a bloke on the terrace that hasn't heard any of these new allegations. What exactly am I and many others ignoring if we don't know about it?
Simon this first surfaced a few months ago and when several of us posted our concerns we were shouted down and abused by those wearing rose tinted glasses. Seems all is not right at the top of the club |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 6, 2017 16:34:12 GMT
I am not going to argue whether any of that is true or not
BUT how can I pull my head out of the sand when I am just a bloke on the terrace that hasn't heard any of these new allegations. What exactly am I and many others ignoring if we don't know about it?
Simon this first surfaced a few months ago and when several of us posted our concerns we were shouted down and abused by those wearing rose tinted glasses. Seems all is not right at the top of the club I Don't recall anyone saying The Police hadn't been paid, or the hostess' but not saying it wasn't
How many people on the terraces don't use the internet message boards and would be blissfully unaware about any of it (oh to be in that place right now)
Dwane don't want to pay for anything seems to be the theme/allegations laid at them, but I cant get my head around recently appointing an expensive and well thought of commercial manager if you don't intend to do anything
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 16:54:53 GMT
Simon this first surfaced a few months ago and when several of us posted our concerns we were shouted down and abused by those wearing rose tinted glasses. Seems all is not right at the top of the club I Don't recall anyone saying The Police hadn't been paid, or the hostess' but not saying it wasn't
How many people on the terraces don't use the internet message boards and would be blissfully unaware about any of it (oh to be in that place right now)
Dwane don't want to pay for anything seems to be the theme/allegations laid at them, but I cant get my head around recently appointing an expensive and well thought of commercial manager if you don't intend to do anything
At that stage and even now I am more worried about inland revenue not being paid I have no proof they haven't but if they haven't and they get wind of legal action they will jump in pretty quick. As for all the back stage appointment s I would have thought get the team sorted first before anything else because a successful team generates more money than any appointments behind the scenes. Could it be all smoke and mirrors |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 17:15:25 GMT
Can anyone remember what Wael said a few weeks ago when he was asked about this?
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 6, 2017 17:38:42 GMT
Simon this first surfaced a few months ago and when several of us posted our concerns we were shouted down and abused by those wearing rose tinted glasses. Seems all is not right at the top of the club I Don't recall anyone saying The Police hadn't been paid, or the hostess' but not saying it wasn't
How many people on the terraces don't use the internet message boards and would be blissfully unaware about any of it (oh to be in that place right now)
Dwane don't want to pay for anything seems to be the theme/allegations laid at them, but I cant get my head around recently appointing an expensive and well thought of commercial manager if you don't intend to do anything
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 6, 2017 17:46:00 GMT
'steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay'
who is Steve Brookfield please?
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 6, 2017 17:51:19 GMT
For those of you who keep dismissing all the stories of woe emanating from within our that give grave cause for concern, below is a statement from the person(s) involved in fencegate. Let’s try and not let a story get in the way of actual true facts please find below this statement, cue Lord Justice Gashead and his merry band of rose tinters to try and dissect UTG : I will try and explain what has gone on in a sensible way without apportioning blame on any individual or company In February The landscape company was instructed by brick to cut back hedgerows and excessive growth around the perimeter of training ground.about half way through the clearance the club realised there was no way of securing the site from vehicle and caravan access without a fence being erected IT WENT to tender and I understand J & G were successful Work was completed No payment was received until July which was 3k out of £40 k plus since then there have been several more payments of 3k after a long gap and several emails J& G went legal they received another 2k this week They also excavated the ditch that runs the entire length of the site I have finally spoken up as I am fed up of companies who worked this site and did a good job being blamed If you enter the site you will also see 2 huge roller shutter doors on the original agricultural sheds and new internal wall to house grass cutting machinery So yes money is owed and steve Brookfield is trying his best to pay it is only my relationship with the club over 15 years of sponsoring all the stands and managers cars that stops me going legalI am fully behind Daryl but the politics within the club have upset me. I am sure I will get slaughtered for speaking up but I love this club and things aren’t right. So have J&G gone "legal" or not? I'm not sure what 'gone legal' means. I think its a very vague term which talks about ramping up pressure to pay, and all of which tend to spoil a relationship steps are something like... 1) get a solicitor to write a letter stating that further steps will be taken if payment is not received by X date - which costs money 1a) getting a letter back, which might provoke a further letter, and add to cost and delay 2) issuing proceedings - which also costs money, though not necessarily lots 3) collate evidence 4) getting a court date - which costs money, though not necessarily lots, if a party is to have legal representation 5) recovering the debt if the court case succeeds maybe i means getting to Step 1? |
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Aside from an expensive fence, we also have a field fully lined with excessive hedgerows - good for wildlife, but no good for pro-football.
