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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 11, 2017 19:15:26 GMT
A recent frank and promising meeting of Bristol Rovers FC directors with a group of local residents, bodes well for further dialogue between the club and its neighbours. The meeting was arranged by Friends of the Memorial Ground (FOMG), to discuss the intention of Dwane Sports Ltd, who are the owners of Bristol Rovers, to rebuild the Memorial Stadium.
The two key ‘take-aways’ were that:
Dwane Sports are considering building a new stadium with a capacity of about 17,000 to 20,000 (which is 5,000-8,000 more than the current capacity) the new stadium would be self-funded. We discussed revenue stream ideas to complement the football-related business, such as a gym, a school, a medical centre, conference/wedding reception rooms, etc – facilities available to all and not only on match days. FOMG would support a community stadium, which is really beneficial to the neighbourhood, and is fitting, given the war memorial status of the sport ground and its residential setting. Rovers are seeking further suggestions from the community and fans, such as IT/office hubs, a micro-brewery/bakery, etc.
In a spirit of co-operation and a shared interest in a sustainable/successful future for the stadium, FOMG emphasised that a wide range of creative solutions to match day traffic and parking would be necessary. The club recognises that research into fans’ travel patterns was needed. Rovers are putting up bicycle stands. We discussed other options, including providing incentives to fans to cycle or walk to matches, shuttle buses to Kingswood, Easton, Temple Meads, etc, a deal with local bus companies, pooling resources and solutions with the Bristol County Ground (Gloucestershire County Cricket Club), park & ride, park & stride, car sharing, and the setting up of a match-day-only residents parking zone.
The Memorial Ground is to be rededicated to commemorate Bristol rugby players killed in wars since 1945. Bristol Rugby Former Players are applying for funding to professionally restore the listed entrance gates. FOMG and Rovers are to explore the possibility of re-planting the Scots pines around the ground’s perimeter, where these are now missing.
We understand that the football club is keen to make more of its unique sporting heritage, and its historical ground, which will celebrate its centenary in four years time. As the stadium redevelopment plans evolve, further dialogue between the club and local residents – and a thorough community consultation – are envisaged. The Bishopston Society has kindly offered to facilitate this.
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Post by dido on Oct 11, 2017 19:20:18 GMT
I presume "building a new stadium" means developing the old stadium?
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Post by The Concept on Oct 11, 2017 19:25:18 GMT
Super to hear we have a 'Friends' group, keen to look after the Memorial Stadium.
I wonder what they do exactly... - Organise community Working Parties to carry out litter-picks after games? - Look out to make sure no Invasive Non-Native Species (INNS) of weeds get onto the pitch surface? - Do odd jobs and handy work around the ground - a lick of paint here and there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 19:32:05 GMT
Super to hear we have a 'Friends' group, keen to look after the Memorial Stadium. I wonder what they do exactly... - Organise community Working Parties to carry out litter-picks after games? - Look out to make sure no Invasive Non-Native Species (INNS) of weeds get onto the pitch surface? - Do odd jobs and handy work around the ground - a lick of paint here and there? I think he primarily just objects to planning permission applications, but I could be wrong.
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 11, 2017 19:37:37 GMT
Super to hear we have a 'Friends' group, keen to look after the Memorial Stadium. I wonder what they do exactly... - Organise community Working Parties to carry out litter-picks after games? - Look out to make sure no Invasive Non-Native Species (INNS) of weeds get onto the pitch surface? - Do odd jobs and handy work around the ground - a lick of paint here and there? I think he primarily just objects to planning permission applications, but I could be wrong. And will no doubt do so again.
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Post by The Concept on Oct 11, 2017 19:46:18 GMT
Super to hear we have a 'Friends' group, keen to look after the Memorial Stadium. I wonder what they do exactly... - Organise community Working Parties to carry out litter-picks after games? - Look out to make sure no Invasive Non-Native Species (INNS) of weeds get onto the pitch surface? - Do odd jobs and handy work around the ground - a lick of paint here and there? I think he primarily just objects to planning permission applications, but I could be wrong. Yup!
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 11, 2017 19:49:50 GMT
I think he primarily just objects to planning permission applications, but I could be wrong. Yup! But surely we've got "Friends" now.....it says so in the article. We we are all of one voice now......
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Oct 11, 2017 20:35:19 GMT
Why Stadium Deal Was So Wrong By Nick Rippington Why Stadium Deal Was So Wrong By Nick Rippington What's being said in the forum now? Click to join the Vital Bristol Rovers forum! BRISTOL ROVERS dodged a bullet when they pulled out of the deal for a new stadium. The more I learn, the more I believe the club could have been fatally compromised by agreeing to the terms that University trustees were demanding for a joint venture on their land near Frenchay. Everything, I believe, was stacked in the University`s favour. And while many Rovers fans were under the impression we were getting our very own purpose-built stadium, the way I understand it the arrangement would have been little different from when we rented Eastville from the Greyhound Company. In fact, if just a few things had gone wrong there was a good possibility that we would have been dumped out on our ear with no alternative home to go to, having already offloaded the Mem. The sticking points on which the University wouldn`t budge included things like security for games and revenue from external events like Conferences, concerts and even car parking. It was imperative to the club that they would have control over these things if they were to develop from ragbag Rovers to a self-sustaining football force. If anything, rather than blame the board for another so-called 'failure`, we should be glad they were looking out for our long-term interests rather than being swayed by a short-term rise in popularity. It`s an interesting paradox, because while the previous owners had been Rovers supporters long before the Al-Qadi family had even HEARD of the club, it seems glaringly obvious to me that the old regime were prepared to gamble our entire future in a bid to regain some kudos with fans. The more I look at it, the more I think the Sainsbury`s decision to pull out of the Mem deal was a blessing in disguise. Scrutinise the decisions Nick Higgs and Co made towards the end of their reign and you have a roadmap which could only have led to catastrophe. I recall writing a blog for the Bristol Post after we dropped out of the Football League saying that I felt alienated from the club I had followed for nearly 40 years. The more our stock fell on the pitch, the more a wedge was driven between those in Box One and those spending their hard-earned cash to watch pitiful fayre on the pitch. Rather than erect a new stadium, day by day they built a wall between themselves and the fans. Life-long supporters who didn`t share their views were barred, a popular fans online forum was shut down and the deafening demand for answers was ignored. When the Sainsbury`s decision came through, they were even prepared to risk everything and take out a high-interest loan - like the type you see advertised on daytime TV - to continue a fight that many felt had already been lost. Darrell Clarke, who I admit I criticised early in his reign, helped reignite my love affair with Rovers by guiding us back into the Football League but that might have been a short-term fix had the ownership not changed. For Darrell, at least, we can thank Mr Higgs - and there is one more significant thing, too. Like other owners who have fled sinking ships, he could have sold us to the first cash-waving charlatan that came along. Instead he handed over to owners many have come to trust and respect. If anyone doubts the Al-Qadi family have given us our Rovers back, look at this weekend as a case in point. As I stood on the Northampton terraces overcome with emotion as we rattled in our sixth goal I looked a few feet to my right to see our president Wael Al-Qadi dancing a merry jig. He could have quite easily been with his chairman in the directors` box but chose instead to share the moment with fans on the terraces. Later, he caught the train back to London, not in first class but with those same supporters, happily discussing the match and his long-term plans. Anyone witnessing that would find it hard to question his commitment to the club and his desire to take it in the right direction. The new owners are pragmatists, not dreamers... and for that I am grateful. For while dreams take centre stage when we belt out Goodnight Irene, sometimes it`s nice to wake up to a healthy dose of reality. Nick Rippington is a national newspaper journalist based in London. He is also award-winning author of UK gangland fiction thrillers Crossing The Whitewash and Spark Out Read more: www.bristolrovers.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=507964#ixzz4vEYjV9wP
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 21:37:53 GMT
2 questions then;
1. You have to presume that had Higgs won the court case he would have had little choice but to go ahead with UWE (or face costly action from Sainsbury's) so why did he think it was worth spending huge sums chasing such a terrible deal through the courts?
2. Did the new owners not look at these details before agreeing to buy, and why did they assemble the team to deliver the stadium when the heads of terms were a car crash?
Could it be that someone has spent 5 mins speaking to Wael and has been completely taken in by one side of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 22:08:49 GMT
The reality is that until the owners actually deliver a championship standard ground and a high quality training facility they havnt really achieved much. The team and the manager have delivered but as yet the owners have not imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 22:18:01 GMT
The reality is that until the owners actually deliver a championship standard ground and a high quality training facility they havnt really achieved much. The team and the manager have delivered but as yet the owners have not imo. Can I add to that that the finances need to be in order, no point having a bells and whistles stadium unless the numbers work and the thing is sustainable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 23:22:35 GMT
The reality is that until the owners actually deliver a championship standard ground and a high quality training facility they havnt really achieved much. The team and the manager have delivered but as yet the owners have not imo. Can I add to that that the finances need to be in order, no point having a bells and whistles stadium unless the numbers work and the thing is sustainable. We should avoid whistles after the Marcus Browning incident.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 11, 2017 23:31:39 GMT
Why Stadium Deal Was So Wrong By Nick Rippington Everything, I believe, was stacked in the University`s favour. And while many Rovers fans were under the impression we were getting our very own purpose-built stadium, the way I understand it the arrangement would have been little different from when we rented Eastville from the Greyhound Company. In fact, if just a few things had gone wrong there was a good possibility that we would have been dumped out on our ear with no alternative home to go to, having already offloaded the Mem. The sticking points on which the University wouldn`t budge included things like security for games and revenue from external events like Conferences, concerts and even car parking. It was imperative to the club that they would have control over these things if they were to develop from ragbag Rovers to a self-sustaining football force. Apart from these bits it seems to me that this article is just mood music and guff and there is nothing to substantiate his opinion on this bit if I'm honest I'm surprised he manages to get paid to write stuff if it's like this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 1:21:01 GMT
The reality is that until the owners actually deliver a championship standard ground and a high quality training facility they havnt really achieved much. The team and the manager have delivered but as yet the owners have not imo. Can I add to that that the finances need to be in order, no point having a bells and whistles stadium unless the numbers work and the thing is sustainable. Thats a big subject though isnt it? To get the ground and training facility not to mention the category 2 academy status mentioned by the owner or owners son would surely involve big losses in the medium term? it would have to be future sustainability and massive increase in the value of the club in the future as the long term aim in my view.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 12, 2017 2:09:22 GMT
Why Stadium Deal Was So Wrong By Nick Rippington Everything, I believe, was stacked in the University`s favour. And while many Rovers fans were under the impression we were getting our very own purpose-built stadium, the way I understand it the arrangement would have been little different from when we rented Eastville from the Greyhound Company. In fact, if just a few things had gone wrong there was a good possibility that we would have been dumped out on our ear with no alternative home to go to, having already offloaded the Mem. The sticking points on which the University wouldn`t budge included things like security for games and revenue from external events like Conferences, concerts and even car parking. It was imperative to the club that they would have control over these things if they were to develop from ragbag Rovers to a self-sustaining football force. Apart from these bits it seems to me that this article is just mood music and guff and there is nothing to substantiate his opinion on this bit if I'm honest I'm surprised he manages to get paid to write stuff if it's like this He makes more sense that a lot of people on here. I feel we are getting near a new HA against the current owners....
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 12, 2017 3:40:31 GMT
The reality is that until the owners actually deliver a championship standard ground and a high quality training facility they havnt really achieved much. The team and the manager have delivered but as yet the owners have not imo. Have to disagree. You can’t say the team on the pitch is nothing to do with the owners. Of course it’s more to do with DC and the players but tbh the owners provide the finance for the new signings, the background staff and medical staff who seem to be keeping everyone more or less fit and for the loan signings to increase competition. And if it was going wrong on the pitch then people would soon be complaining about the owners not investing etc. etc. To pretend what goes on on the field is nothing to do with the owners is ridiculous. Of course the new ground and training facility are very important but it’s good to see the other stuff happening as well. When you say “the reality is....” I think you’re wrong because that may not happen for another 3/4 years and I certainly don’t intend to wait until we have a new ground before enjoying what is happening or thinking that they haven’t “achieved much.” We know DC or the manager gets most of the praise for on -field stuff but I know the conditions provided by the owners helps achieve that. UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 12, 2017 8:03:56 GMT
Very odd to mention "the terraces". Must have missed them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 9:51:29 GMT
Apart from these bits it seems to me that this article is just mood music and guff and there is nothing to substantiate his opinion on this bit if I'm honest I'm surprised he manages to get paid to write stuff if it's like this He makes more sense that a lot of people on here. I feel we are getting near a new HA against the current owners.... Nobody has any agenda against the family as far as I'm aware, but there are questions around why UWE didn't happen and the charge on the stadium. If this stuff here is why UWE didn't happen then we have another question, why was Plan B not given more thought at an earlier date? On the plus side, they are doing what we always failed to do in the past, get people like Carstairs inside of the tent, find out what they want, try to give something to them and incorporate their views into the new plans, planning doesn't have to be 100% adversarial.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:30:06 GMT
The reality is that until the owners actually deliver a championship standard ground and a high quality training facility they havnt really achieved much. The team and the manager have delivered but as yet the owners have not imo. Have to disagree. You can’t say the team on the pitch is nothing to do with the owners. Of course it’s more to do with DC and the players but tbh the owners provide the finance for the new signings, the background staff and medical staff who seem to be keeping everyone more or less fit and for the loan signings to increase competition. And if it was going wrong on the pitch then people would soon be complaining about the owners not investing etc. etc. To pretend what goes on on the field is nothing to do with the owners is ridiculous. Of course the new ground and training facility are very important but it’s good to see the other stuff happening as well. When you say “the reality is....” I think you’re wrong because that may not happen for another 3/4 years and I certainly don’t intend to wait until we have a new ground before enjoying what is happening or thinking that they haven’t “achieved much.” We know DC or the manager gets most of the praise for on -field stuff but I know the conditions provided by the owners helps achieve that. UTG! For some a modest increase in playing budget,some staff appointments and a few trimmings at the ground are enough to please. But we have a terrible ground and very poor training facilities,with development players training across town from the 1st team who have access to one football pitch at cribbs. So for me until the owners actually deliver a new ground and a proper professional training facility i wont be getting too exited about the progress of the club. Its nothing to do with enjoying the football on match day.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 12, 2017 11:09:46 GMT
Have to disagree. You can’t say the team on the pitch is nothing to do with the owners. Of course it’s more to do with DC and the players but tbh the owners provide the finance for the new signings, the background staff and medical staff who seem to be keeping everyone more or less fit and for the loan signings to increase competition. And if it was going wrong on the pitch then people would soon be complaining about the owners not investing etc. etc. To pretend what goes on on the field is nothing to do with the owners is ridiculous. Of course the new ground and training facility are very important but it’s good to see the other stuff happening as well. When you say “the reality is....” I think you’re wrong because that may not happen for another 3/4 years and I certainly don’t intend to wait until we have a new ground before enjoying what is happening or thinking that they haven’t “achieved much.” We know DC or the manager gets most of the praise for on -field stuff but I know the conditions provided by the owners helps achieve that. UTG! For some a modest increase in playing budget,some staff appointments and a few trimmings at the ground are enough to please. But we have a terrible ground and very poor training facilities,with development players training across town from the 1st team who have access to one football pitch at cribbs. So for me until the owners actually deliver a new ground and a proper professional training facility i wont be getting too exited about the progress of the club. Its nothing to do with enjoying the football on match day. Where did I say what has happened is enough to please me? Read the post. How do you know it’s a “modest increase” in playing budget, you don’t, neither do I. No one does. The players signed have been a steady improvement on what we had before imo. “Some staff appointments....” Compare the staff in 14/15 when we were in the Conference and now. Our medical staff, training staff and development staff is completely different to our staffing levels before. We are far better staffed now than then imo. Of course if you disagree then do so, after all it’s a Forum. Yes, I want a new ground as well. I want a new training ground as well but those don’t come along in months and we will have to wait and be patient. I’m sorry for you that you can’t get excited about the progress of the club until “ a new ground and a proper professional training facility” are delivered because every time Rovers win I get excited and will continue to do so even if our ground is cr**. And I bet that when we score and even win a match you cheer and don’t call out “What about the new ground, what about the training ground”. Perhaps you won’t get excited about anything for the next 4/5 years until we have both the new ground and training ground, if that’s the case, poor you! Of course we all want what you’ve said but this is BRFC not Manchester City or West Ham. We don’t get given new grounds that the taxpayers have paid for, this is the real world. I won’t let my enjoyment of being a Rovers fan be spoiled by things I can’t control! But I agree with your implication ( at least I think you’re saying this and I apologise if you aren’t) that the owners do need to deliver a new ground and training facility asap. I think they are trying to do that although I know others on here don’t. I have to hope and have faith that they will do this and I do. I have said many times since August that the owners need to communicate to us some sense of what their vision is and some firm plans re the Mem. Perhaps this is the first step. Time will tell. But your original post indicated that success on the pitch has nothing to do with owners. It does for the reasons I said and that wasn’t answered but I appreciate the fact that you added “imo” which everyone is entitled to. UTG!
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