bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Oct 9, 2017 16:12:22 GMT
The fact John Ward gave him a free role contributed to our relegation , yes he scored goals but that left a huge gap in the midfield. No time for him he thought he should be at a bigger club but has ended up with Northampton - really......I always felt that he thought that he was doing Rovers a favour, by playing for them until a ''big'' club came in for him. There were several quotes from O'Toole at the time to that effect, but my mind has clouded somewhat. Heaven forbid the Cobblers get into financial problems & can't pay him.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 9, 2017 17:21:09 GMT
The fact John Ward gave him a free role contributed to our relegation , yes he scored goals but that left a huge gap in the midfield. No time for him he thought he should be at a bigger club but has ended up with Northampton - really...... But isn't that what sinclair does now Not sure about the goal scoring part!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 18:04:34 GMT
But isn't that what sinclair does now Not sure about the goal scoring part! Apart from goals
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 9, 2017 18:32:53 GMT
The fact John Ward gave him a free role contributed to our relegation , yes he scored goals but that left a huge gap in the midfield. No time for him he thought he should be at a bigger club but has ended up with Northampton - really...... The moment he decided that he was going to wait, right to the end, to see what other offers he was going to get was the moment we should have told him to bugger off and walk away. And that's not hindsight. The very least it was going to do was upset other members of the squad. Having said that I think we were right to leave Stoke to make a decision on Sweeney at the last minute. I'm thinking the overall deal was likely very beneficial to us. At any stage we could have found someone else and it wasn't totally the player's call.
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bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Oct 10, 2017 8:22:31 GMT
The moment he decided that he was going to wait, right to the end, to see what other offers he was going to get was the moment we should have told him to bugger off and walk away. And that's not hindsight. The very least it was going to do was upset other members of the squad. Having said that I think we were right to leave Stoke to make a decision on Sweeney at the last minute. I'm thinking the overall deal was likely very beneficial to us. At any stage we could have found someone else and it wasn't totally the player's call. If you mean the close season between his loan spell & signing permanently (??) I completely agree. Those were my thoughts at the time - he's dithering so he doesn't really want to come. Right,move on! Forget him. It's a thing I like about DC - first & foremost a player's got to want to play for us. OK,commitment isn't everything but it's a bloody good starting point.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 10, 2017 9:05:35 GMT
The moment he decided that he was going to wait, right to the end, to see what other offers he was going to get was the moment we should have told him to bugger off and walk away. And that's not hindsight. The very least it was going to do was upset other members of the squad. Having said that I think we were right to leave Stoke to make a decision on Sweeney at the last minute. I'm thinking the overall deal was likely very beneficial to us. At any stage we could have found someone else and it wasn't totally the player's call. If you mean the close season between his loan spell & signing permanently (??) I completely agree. Those were my thoughts at the time - he's dithering so he doesn't really want to come. Right,move on! Forget him. It's a thing I like about DC - first & foremost a player's got to want to play for us. OK,commitment isn't everything but it's a bloody good starting point. I could only assume, at the time, he thought he was really better than us and waited to see if (in his opinion) a better club, with a bigger offer, came in for him. His actions when we went down proved it. He was not the right person to wait for. Commitment is certainly not everything but if he thought he was better than us his head was never going to, consistently, put in the performances which we needed. No blame at all on him; totally down to our "management" at the time.
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 10, 2017 9:24:53 GMT
The fact John Ward gave him a free role contributed to our relegation , yes he scored goals but that left a huge gap in the midfield. No time for him he thought he should be at a bigger club but has ended up with Northampton - really...... But isn't that what sinclair does now I know what you mean but I would never compare the character of Sinclair with that of JJOT. And before anyone says it I know “character” doesn’t score goals but character did against Gateshead which, looking back, was a key win that season. UTG!g
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Post by davehuddscousin on Oct 10, 2017 13:55:29 GMT
I think we probably saw him play the best football of his career when he came on loan to us, however the warning bells rang when he dithered over signing for us permanantly, like Taylor last year he only signed when a better offer didn't materialise. John Ward was prepared to wait for him, but I think Darrell would have walked away and looked elsewhere had he been in charge then.
Jonjo gets a lot of stick about our relegation season, he did actually have some good games for us but his temperament and 'big time charlie' attitude let him down badly, so he went from hero to villain in the eyes of most Rovers fans in less than a year. I suspect Darrell was glad to see the back of him!
Such a shame to see a good footballer waste his talent, but I'm afraid that's what he has done.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2017 15:32:07 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts JJOT ability.
It's his attitude, application and exit strategy that many find unpalatable, and some confuse that with his time here.
I hope we surpass his playing ability asap and his career takes a pounding like his team did Saturday....jj jj what's the score?
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kwoodgas
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Post by kwoodgas on Oct 10, 2017 20:04:58 GMT
We've done the reasons why we got relegated to death and then some; there are a lot of them including the current manager of this football club.
Unless any players of that era are posting on here under psyedymns (hello if you are) none of us know what went on in that dressing room that year. I'm still waiting for Kingswood Polak to do his big reveal on the alleged illegal activity that he seems to know what was going on and wasn't a former poster (FordingbridgeGas?) meant to be doing a gloves off interview with club stalwart Adam Virgo? Can't remember that coming to fruition.
Statistics rarely lie and JJOT scored a lot of goals that season and the poster that said he left gaps in the midfield is talking utter bollocks as our defensive record that season was as good as half the teams in the league.
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Post by hpgas on Oct 10, 2017 21:38:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure Darrell was pleased to see the back of him. Wasn't JJOT on the team sheet at that away game to Portsmouth near the end of that season and then didn't come out of the tunnel because of a changing room bust up?
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Post by stroudblue on Oct 11, 2017 10:53:30 GMT
IMO He was a good player but bit wayward. Would take him on a FT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:09:05 GMT
When we needed our star player most he went missing, getting sent off at Burton, for lashing out petulantly when we just got back to 2-1 cost us any chance of getting a point. Watching him stroll around in midfield, knowing how much better he was when he could be bothered, was the final straw for me. Did he cost us our league status, not entirely but his attitude in a lot of games towards the end of that season was awful.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 11, 2017 13:44:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure Darrell was pleased to see the back of him. Wasn't JJOT on the team sheet at that away game to Portsmouth near the end of that season and then didn't come out of the tunnel because of a changing room bust up? Agree. There's something about O'Toole's unpredictability that made/makes him entertaining to watch, but he's the antithesis of a "Darrell Clarke Player"
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 11, 2017 16:49:07 GMT
The fact John Ward gave him a free role contributed to our relegation , yes he scored goals but that left a huge gap in the midfield. No time for him he thought he should be at a bigger club but has ended up with Northampton - really...... But isn't that what sinclair does now That made me laugh, thank you. Yes, it’s exactly what he does but sans the 17 goals
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 13, 2017 6:32:47 GMT
I'm pretty sure Darrell was pleased to see the back of him. Wasn't JJOT on the team sheet at that away game to Portsmouth near the end of that season and then didn't come out of the tunnel because of a changing room bust up? Agree. Awful afternoon, great goal by Matt Harold, we also lost Michael Smith to injury for the season and with JJOT not appearing you just knew there had been ructions. And we lost 2-3! Not all his fault but he didn’t help which was what he was paid to do. Thought watching that match, Mildy was really pumped up and got us fans behind the goal really going. I’ve always thought, might be wrong, that most of the players said thank you for DC standing up to him and dropping him because it was a fully committed performance despite losing. We move on and we have! UTG!
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 13, 2017 9:21:31 GMT
I always thought that a bit of a smell followed JJOT around
he might have thought it was the smell of the other players, they might have thought it was his attitude that stank
that's what I always thought
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