kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 7, 2017 18:12:08 GMT
Did you ever Well I did actually, I was a happy clapper, but I'm afraid pulling out of the UWE, without a satisfactory detailed reason stinks to me, it was the way wael conveniently went quiet, right at the time of the pulling of the plug, then almost straight away starts talking about restructuring the mem which everyone knows will never happen (horfield rose, nymby mania, section 104's appeals etc etc, a new tent here, a new family temporary stand there, that's it folks, at best. im really disappointed with Wael et al, thought they were full of ideas and money, it appears they're full of sh*t. Although I agree with most of what you say, I think it's a bit early to write of Wael but actions speak much louder than words and we really need to see some of that right now. My heart says he's here to do good but my head and the charge against the mem say something completely different
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 7, 2017 18:15:12 GMT
Well I did actually, I was a happy clapper, but I'm afraid pulling out of the UWE, without a satisfactory detailed reason stinks to me, it was the way wael conveniently went quiet, right at the time of the pulling of the plug, then almost straight away starts talking about restructuring the mem which everyone knows will never happen (horfield rose, nymby mania, section 104's appeals etc etc, a new tent here, a new family temporary stand there, that's it folks, at best. im really disappointed with Wael et al, thought they were full of ideas and money, it appears they're full of sh*t. Great track to make this gif from
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Post by Angas on Sept 7, 2017 19:04:56 GMT
OK so I did the link. 3.01-5.17 11.35-13.00 15.30-16.00 17.15-18.30 22.312-23.09 23.31-25.15 29.10-29.30 34.02-35.50 (not in the first team but in the club) 38.57-39.24 41.03-44.50 (not going to say anything yet) 50.37- 51.00 That was well worth listening to, and I will go to bed a HAPPY MAN!Our owner is not silly, and yes still annoyed about UWE but that sounded so good. Thank you for doing that as I'm the type that has a low attention span and wouldn't have bothered and thank you Angas for posting this nice one 👍🏻 Am I the only one who listened to what the others had to say? It was interesting to hear how their views compared with Wael's - all very similar. The one concern for me was how they've changed the way they approach things at Leeds under the new owner. DC might find them a more attractive proposition nowadays.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 7, 2017 19:17:38 GMT
Thank you for doing that as I'm the type that has a low attention span and wouldn't have bothered and thank you Angas for posting this nice one 👍🏻 Am I the only one who listened to what the others had to say? It was interesting to hear how their views compared with Wael's - all very similar. The one concern for me was how they've changed the way they approach things at Leeds under the new owner. DC might find them a more attractive proposition nowadays. I haven't listened to it yet but will do so now I know where the salient points are and when I am able to listen, uninterrupted
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 19:20:16 GMT
Thank you for doing that as I'm the type that has a low attention span and wouldn't have bothered and thank you Angas for posting this nice one 👍🏻 Am I the only one who listened to what the others had to say? It was interesting to hear how their views compared with Wael's - all very similar. The one concern for me was how they've changed the way they approach things at Leeds under the new owner. DC might find them a more attractive proposition nowadays. No I listened to it all but highlighted times for others. Must agree with you the Leeds bloke sounded really knowledgable and also yes things have changed.
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Post by Angas on Sept 7, 2017 19:23:46 GMT
Am I the only one who listened to what the others had to say? It was interesting to hear how their views compared with Wael's - all very similar. The one concern for me was how they've changed the way they approach things at Leeds under the new owner. DC might find them a more attractive proposition nowadays. No I listened to it all but highlighted times for others. Must agree with you the Leeds bloke sounded really knowledgable and also yes things have changed. You did a sterling job with the highlighting Oxon. I wouldn't have had the patience
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 7, 2017 19:26:03 GMT
Yes Angus I listened to it and found it interesting. Wael came over quite well but the entrepreneur who managed the WBA / Chinese investment came over as fairly hard nosed businessman who saw the advantages for business from using football. No messing about with the football for him, it was all about the money! Wael on the other hand came over as an enthusiastic football owner hoping to use finances to boost his club. It was interesting to hear that Wael thought that he could boost Rovers profile in the Middle East and Northern Africa area (MENA). I also felt that Wael appeared more enthusiastic than knowledgable about what was happening and agreed with what the others were saying rather than saying anything very original. That's perhaps a bit unfair as I can't remember the last time a Rovers owner/Chairman was involved in such a discussion on world football. Bell, the guy from Leeds was very articulate and experienced and appeared very knowledgeable about using finance to boost Leeds and yes, Leeds would be a more attractive proposition for anyone now compared to last year. UTG!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 8, 2017 6:54:30 GMT
Did you ever Well I did actually, I was a happy clapper, but I'm afraid pulling out of the UWE, without a satisfactory detailed reason stinks to me, it was the way wael conveniently went quiet, right at the time of the pulling of the plug, then almost straight away starts talking about restructuring the mem which everyone knows will never happen (horfield rose, nymby mania, section 104's appeals etc etc, a new tent here, a new family temporary stand there, that's it folks, at best. im really disappointed with Wael et al, thought they were full of ideas and money, it appears they're full of sh*t. I think its a bit early to right off Wael & Family and i'm prepared to give them more time, BUT if we are in the same situation in 12 months then i fear you may be right The one thing that is sticking in my mind is the constant spend on the Development team and back room boys. Why would they do that when they want out of the club ? The key to all this is the Colony, See progress on that in the next 12 months and just maybe their heart is in the club
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Post by nortongas on Sept 8, 2017 7:05:45 GMT
Interesting listen. Reaffirms for me the long term commitment made by Wael to make our club sustainable for the long term. Nice words but the club is never going to be sustainable without a £40-£50m investment. For me that is Waels challenge, to build the club structure able to justify that sort of investment.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 8, 2017 7:09:35 GMT
Nice words but the club is never going to be sustainable without a £40-£50m investment. For me that is Waels challenge, to build the club structure able to justify that sort of investment. And if certain posters are right then it's doing that when his family don't think it's a good idea. I really hope that Wael is the man because I genuinely like him. I know liking someone doesn't make them a great leader but it's a nice start
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Post by nortongas on Sept 8, 2017 7:32:55 GMT
For me that is Waels challenge, to build the club structure able to justify that sort of investment. And if certain posters are right then it's doing that when his family don't think it's a good idea. I really hope that Wael is the man because I genuinely like him. I know liking someone doesn't make them a great leader but it's a nice start Even if his family have gone cold, I would like to think that Wael still has the substance to drive his passion. Alone he is still well connected and should have enough business nous to guide himself though. When he arrived he said this was his first and last club and sold us his vision. Things have changed no doubt but I'm sure he knew owning a football club wouldn't be plain sailing. Talk is cheap and he will always be judged on his ability to build us a stadium and a promised training facility, he may be at a roadblock atm but for as long as things keep improving within the club you have to trust him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 12:30:25 GMT
You've just picked numbers out of the air.
It is a ballpark estimate but I doubt it's that far off if you factor the requirement for a new stadium and training ground with category 2 academy status. Of course, This doesn't even take into account on going losses of around £250k per month (and probably growing). Expensive business this owning a football club lark. It doesn't have to be an "investement" though, it can be delivered through other means.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 8, 2017 13:19:16 GMT
It is a ballpark estimate but I doubt it's that far off if you factor the requirement for a new stadium and training ground with category 2 academy status. Of course, This doesn't even take into account on going losses of around £250k per month (and probably growing). Expensive business this owning a football club lark. It doesn't have to be an "investement" though, it can be delivered through other means. You only got to have a look how PSG are funded to see a "different" approach to funding.... It will also be interesting how the jordanian FA get involved with brfc....
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Post by PessimistGas on Sept 8, 2017 20:28:42 GMT
It doesn't have to be an "investement" though, it can be delivered through other means. You only got to have a look how PSG are funded to see a "different" approach to funding.... It will also be interesting how the jordanian FA get involved with brfc.... Very true, There are different ways of going about things. Wael has come out and said on the record that they can't go out splashing the cash due to FFP rules. Whether you think that this would be the correct approach or not is a whole different question that isn't really my point. My point is that this statement is misleading to the point of being an outright lie. Maybe a little thing on its own, but the little things are adding up.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 9, 2017 13:35:33 GMT
Nice words but the club is never going to be sustainable without a £40-£50m investment. Agree with you, without a new stadium we are left with a glass ceiling of going between championship to league 1 at best, there is no viable future, long term, at the mem and post UWE fiasco I'm afraid I don't believe anything Wael says anymore. Do you genuinely think we can get promoted to the championship with the current squad and huge left sided weakness ? If so then I'd love a pint of what you're drinking. The old division 3 is a totally different animal now and we have teams around us with real money to spend, even if from parachute payments. I admire DC for what he has achieved to date but this is now a different ball park and I'm afraid that money does come into the equation at this level and he woukd truly have to be a miracle worker to uncover as many rough diamonds as we need, to truly challenge for promotion in my opinion. I would see attaining last seasons position as a decent job tbh. I just hope we can fix that left side in January or that I get proved totally wrong and we do much better than I expect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 15:13:47 GMT
... that I get probed totally wrong ... I say.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 9, 2017 16:15:58 GMT
... that I get probed totally wrong ... I say. Damn it, my secret is out 😂👍🏻
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Oct 17, 2017 22:04:48 GMT
Agree with you, without a new stadium we are left with a glass ceiling of going between championship to league 1 at best, there is no viable future, long term, at the mem and post UWE fiasco I'm afraid I don't believe anything Wael says anymore. Do you genuinely think we can get promoted to the championship with the current squad and huge left sided weakness ? If so then I'd love a pint of what you're drinking. The old division 3 is a totally different animal now and we have teams around us with real money to spend, even if from parachute payments. I admire DC for what he has achieved to date but this is now a different ball park and I'm afraid that money does come into the equation at this level and he woukd truly have to be a miracle worker to uncover as many rough diamonds as we need, to truly challenge for promotion in my opinion. I would see attaining last seasons position as a decent job tbh. I just hope we can fix that left side in January or that I get proved totally wrong and we do much better than I expect. Sorry KP I'm not sure what your argument is with what I've said? im saying 'at best' between league 1 and championship, that's at best, let's face it even now we could win another 14 or 15 games and get into the play offs, unlikely but not impossible. i have said here over a number of years we cannot compete at the mem, tarted up or no, we must get a ground like the uwe in terms of size or we wither on the vine stark message from me, but it's what I believe, Wael has neither the money or his family from what we are being told behind him on this gas project, he really should have looked at NH deal with UWE more carefully (if a deal was actually done?) btw I'm not a betting man but I believe the mem will never be redeveloped, hope I'm proved wrong!!
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 18, 2017 7:30:50 GMT
Where did the information come from that Wael's family isn't behind him when it comes to BRFC?
Is it keyboard rumour or fact?
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 18, 2017 9:40:57 GMT
Al-Qadi senior appeared luke-warm about the whole project from the outset, as admitted by Wael himself (with reference to the extended Points West piece from about a year ago, I'll try and dig it out). Hani has the purse strings and he has a tight grip. But then again he is a Banker, not a football fan. Are Al-Qadi senior and Hani still 100% backing Wael and the BRFC project? Post UWE - I'm not so sure. However I agree - my opinion is based more on rumour than proven, indisputable fact. As for redeveloping the Memorial Stadium - IMHO - that is not going to happen under the current owners.
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