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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 18:28:26 GMT
Wael gave the same answer when asked directly a couple of weeks ago. I want to believe it but can't shake the suspicion it is convenient. It's true that the pre application has been submitted. It's part of the work which remains unpaid. No win, no fee?
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 22, 2017 18:31:54 GMT
It's true that the pre application has been submitted. It's part of the work which remains unpaid. No win, no fee? Cant pay They will take it away
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Post by Dr John Dee on Aug 22, 2017 19:12:29 GMT
If this ever comes to fruition I hope they drop the bluddy word COLONY. It brings to mind either a group of cast out lepers or aspirations of colonial expansion. Surely there's a better name. Well, it was named after Hortham Idiot Colony hospital just nearby. So maybe it is apt.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Aug 22, 2017 19:59:03 GMT
It's true that the pre application has been submitted. It's part of the work which remains unpaid. If that's the case, then the wait for a response will be a long one. Planning applications without payment don't get processed. I'd assume the application fee has been paid, but NQSS is alluding the Architect has not? Therefore, they aren't going to be in any rush to expedite discussions and progress plans beyond whatever they have done to date.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 20:01:20 GMT
If this ever comes to fruition I hope they drop the bluddy word COLONY. It brings to mind either a group of cast out lepers or aspirations of colonial expansion. Surely there's a better name. Well, it was named after Hortham Idiot Colony hospital just nearby. So maybe it is apt. Pedant alert: its named after Colony Farm, which was presumably named after the hospital. I genuinely wonder if the club (Wael?) knew why it was called Colony Farm when they decided to stick with the name.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Aug 22, 2017 20:05:53 GMT
Work won't commence until official approval out of respect for the local community? What a weird thing to write? ? Odd, odd statement. That bit is an odd statement, I agree: work can't legally start until they've got plannng permission - nothing to do with respect. Maybe it's aimed at heading off any 'but they could get and do preparatory or xxx work outwith the building work' comments. Other than that, it sounds like a hugely credible description and timeline of the planning process. Talks and agreement about what might be acceptable -> detailed application -> (likely amendments) -> formal decision. When they put in for permission to change the use restrictions, I banged on about 'but that proposed building isn't what we'd want'. That's what they're working through. Work could start at risk but if the permission were not granted, the work would be wasted as the ground would need to be put back to how it was before the work commenced.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 20:10:25 GMT
That bit is an odd statement, I agree: work can't legally start until they've got plannng permission - nothing to do with respect. Maybe it's aimed at heading off any 'but they could get and do preparatory or xxx work outwith the building work' comments. Other than that, it sounds like a hugely credible description and timeline of the planning process. Talks and agreement about what might be acceptable -> detailed application -> (likely amendments) -> formal decision. When they put in for permission to change the use restrictions, I banged on about 'but that proposed building isn't what we'd want'. That's what they're working through. Work could start at risk but if the permission were not granted, the work would be wasted as the ground would need to be put back to how it was before the work commenced. At the risk of this becoming a circular discussion... they could start on the pitches etc that don't require permission, but at risk of not getting permission later as you say, so I can see why they don't want to do that. It still all feels very convenient to me!
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 22, 2017 20:22:25 GMT
Build pitches then have workmen and equipment all over it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 20:35:52 GMT
Build pitches then have workmen and equipment all over it? Yes, I naively assumed the pitches would be separate to the buildings, roads and car park. Its a big site, I'm sure plenty could be done away from the area that is to be developed, if there was a will to do it.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 22, 2017 21:10:07 GMT
Build pitches then have workmen and equipment all over it? Yes, I naively assumed the pitches would be separate to the buildings, roads and car park. Its a big site, I'm sure plenty could be done away from the area that is to be developed, if there was a will to do it. Especially if we are planning on moving in for pre-season next year. Or perhaps that has already been quietly dropped.
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Post by strung out on Aug 22, 2017 21:11:12 GMT
Yes, I naively assumed the pitches would be separate to the buildings, roads and car park. Its a big site, I'm sure plenty could be done away from the area that is to be developed, if there was a will to do it. Especially if we are planning on moving in for pre-season next year. Or perhaps that has already been quietly dropped. We have to move somewhere - the Cribs training ground has been sold.
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Post by badbloodash on Aug 23, 2017 5:16:50 GMT
Yes, I naively assumed the pitches would be separate to the buildings, roads and car park. Its a big site, I'm sure plenty could be done away from the area that is to be developed, if there was a will to do it. Especially if we are planning on moving in for pre-season next year. Or perhaps that has already been quietly dropped. I think this is a smokescreen work on either the training ground or mem any time soon fortunately the team have had a couple of good results to distract from the fact we are in trouble moneywise
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 23, 2017 5:35:02 GMT
Work won't commence until official approval out of respect for the local community? What a weird thing to write? ? Odd, odd statement. That bit is an odd statement, I agree: work can't legally start until they've got plannng permission - nothing to do with respect. Maybe it's aimed at heading off any 'but they could get and do preparatory or xxx work outwith the building work' comments. Other than that, it sounds like a hugely credible description and timeline of the planning process. Talks and agreement about what might be acceptable -> detailed application -> (likely amendments) -> formal decision. When they put in for permission to change the use restrictions, I banged on about 'but that proposed building isn't what we'd want'. That's what they're working through. Well they can clear the site for starters, or remove the remnants of the old sewage works etc before any actual building work can start
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 23, 2017 7:22:04 GMT
Especially if we are planning on moving in for pre-season next year. Or perhaps that has already been quietly dropped. I think this is a smokescreen work on either the training ground or mem any time soon fortunately the team have had a couple of good results to distract from the fact we are in trouble moneywise Let's all hope that a cup run may help, should that be a correct interpretation. I hope Man Utd away, boreinho will play his reserves so I fancy Ellis to trouble Smalling, Rojo and Phil 'gargoyle' Jones.
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Post by billyocean on Aug 23, 2017 7:42:09 GMT
"Pre-application consultation is ongoing"
Has this consultation been going on since March? Struggling to see why it takes so long to submit a planning application. I would also expect to see the site cleared if you were drawing up plans for buildings to go on it. The grass hasn't even been cut since the fence went up in March. Would love to be proved wrong but I hear "imminent" and I can't take it seriously.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 23, 2017 7:44:24 GMT
"Pre-application consultation is ongoing" Has this consultation been going on since March? Struggling to see why it takes so long to submit a planning application. I would also expect to see the site cleared if you were drawing up plans for buildings to go on it. The grass hasn't even been cut since the fence went up in March. Would love to be proved wrong but I hear "imminent" and I can't take it seriously. When you are hoping to build a £10m complex you do a lot of consulting first
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 23, 2017 7:48:28 GMT
"Pre-application consultation is ongoing" Has this consultation been going on since March? Struggling to see why it takes so long to submit a planning application. I would also expect to see the site cleared if you were drawing up plans for buildings to go on it. The grass hasn't even been cut since the fence went up in March. Would love to be proved wrong but I hear "imminent" and I can't take it seriously. Who knows if they want to build it now or not, or The Mem or whatever
If they still do, I would rather they do everything properly first time, jump through the hoops etc
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Post by Swedish Gas on Aug 23, 2017 7:55:03 GMT
If this ever comes to fruition I hope they drop the bluddy word COLONY. It brings to mind either a group of cast out lepers or aspirations of colonial expansion. Surely there's a better name. The Beeches?
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 23, 2017 9:25:56 GMT
"Pre-application consultation is ongoing" Has this consultation been going on since March? Struggling to see why it takes so long to submit a planning application. I would also expect to see the site cleared if you were drawing up plans for buildings to go on it. The grass hasn't even been cut since the fence went up in March. Would love to be proved wrong but I hear "imminent" and I can't take it seriously. When you are hoping to build a £10m complex you do a lot of consulting first Particularly if you want to build it for £2m
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 23, 2017 9:33:31 GMT
"Pre-application consultation is ongoing" Has this consultation been going on since March? Struggling to see why it takes so long to submit a planning application. I would also expect to see the site cleared if you were drawing up plans for buildings to go on it. The grass hasn't even been cut since the fence went up in March. Would love to be proved wrong but I hear "imminent" and I can't take it seriously. When you are hoping to build a £10m complex you do a lot of consulting first Indeed, better to put in an application that is acceptable to all and gets planning permission first time. Otherwise it could drag on for ages and that would certainly bring out the moaners.....
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