strung out
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Post by strung out on Aug 10, 2017 19:59:22 GMT
You really are a sanctimonious fool aren't you Mike? been called a lot hell of a lot worse ..sticks and stones etc Ever been called cabbage looking?
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 10, 2017 20:00:28 GMT
I can't find anything on the South Glos website about outstanding planning. I may be missing it but as far as I can tell the last application was decided with conditions in December and there is no appeal lodged. The status of the training ground is really unclear. Anyone got a link for outstanding planning applications? I'm going by what Wael said in the interview.Maybe get a question in with Geoff Twentymann,he's interviewing Wael Saturday. I think we're in safe hands and if the new Mem can be a say 23,000 plus capacity,then great. How can you honestly say we're in safe hands? I personally haven't a clue what Wael is up to and I really wonder if he's got a clue himself, so far it seems DS have just taken on managing the club debts, now DS need to find £m's for a training ground and also tens of millions more to redevelop the Mem, where's all that going to come from? If you were an investor would you hand over your money to former bank manager, Wael, and the panto clown Hamer?
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GasPanic!
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Post by GasPanic! on Aug 10, 2017 20:10:26 GMT
You really are a sanctimonious fool aren't you Mike? been called a lot hell of a lot worse ..sticks and stones etc How about a fake soldier?
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 10, 2017 21:57:10 GMT
...and the response would have been 'If there are any potential sites, FFS, and where's the money, and I don't believe him, and he obviously wants to move us to London, you can tell, and it's what someone said, and my mind's already made up, and this proves that all is lost' (or variations thereof). Hysteria. My mistake, I thought you asked the question regarding an individuals thoughts and not a collective, I answered as an individual, and had WAQ said what he had previously said about exploring other land purchase options then as a so called'critic' I would have felt assured that he was sticking to the original plan. WAQ, has done a complete u-turn in a short space of time, from the Mem is not the future of the FC to the Mem is now the only option being considered, made very clear in his interview yesterday. I thought WAQ was a very smart cookie and totally focused on covering all bases, sadly not the case, plan B isn't a plan at all, there was no prep work going on in the event that UWE fell through, given the overall project stretched out to 8 years ending in failure I'm not sure paying someone to explore potential PP, Mem viability on the Mem 12-18 months ago would have been too costly in the grand scheme of running the FC. It's been a case of all eggs in one basket and now we hit the reset button and go again through the lengthy process of planning, objection, planning re-applications and more objection. Hysteria? Not me, this is stadium number 5 let down, seen it all before, just another sigh and shrug of the shoulders, just disappointed and surprised that a man of WAQ's calibre hasn't covered all basis from day one, particularly having admittedly spent several months getting frustrated with one step forward three steps back by the UWE board of governors. Spot on. Wael is a decent,genuine man, but he doesn't hold the purse strings. The whole and thing has been worked up on the back of beer mat this week We are into very worrying times.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 11, 2017 4:54:10 GMT
been called a lot hell of a lot worse ..sticks and stones etc How about a fake soldier? Not sure what you are on about ...am I a keyboard warrrior ?
I don't personally need to lower myself to call other gasheads offensive names on here. I would not post anything that I was not prepared to say to someone's face. Social media can be good and informative but some users completely embarrass themselves with juvenile comments. Sad really but guess that is the world we know live in. Have a good weekend
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 11, 2017 6:43:48 GMT
My mistake, I thought you asked the question regarding an individuals thoughts and not a collective, I answered as an individual, and had WAQ said what he had previously said about exploring other land purchase options then as a so called'critic' I would have felt assured that he was sticking to the original plan. WAQ, has done a complete u-turn in a short space of time, from the Mem is not the future of the FC to the Mem is now the only option being considered, made very clear in his interview yesterday. I thought WAQ was a very smart cookie and totally focused on covering all bases, sadly not the case, plan B isn't a plan at all, there was no prep work going on in the event that UWE fell through, given the overall project stretched out to 8 years ending in failure I'm not sure paying someone to explore potential PP, Mem viability on the Mem 12-18 months ago would have been too costly in the grand scheme of running the FC. It's been a case of all eggs in one basket and now we hit the reset button and go again through the lengthy process of planning, objection, planning re-applications and more objection. Hysteria? Not me, this is stadium number 5 let down, seen it all before, just another sigh and shrug of the shoulders, just disappointed and surprised that a man of WAQ's calibre hasn't covered all basis from day one, particularly having admittedly spent several months getting frustrated with one step forward three steps back by the UWE board of governors. Spot on. Wael is a decent,genuine man, but he doesn't hold the purse strings. The whole and thing has been worked up on the back of beer mat this week We are into very worrying times. DS have a target IRR from their venture into Rovers. This is/was linked to the stadium development and associated enterprises. Once the IRR drops below a certain threshold then the plan is torn-up = it's academic (excuse the pun) if UWE still wants the stadium. It's about cost and returns. What doesn't seem plausible is a Mem Redevelopment being far cheaper when considering permissions, void periods and a reduced capacity and associated incomes. However, 'seem' is the crucial word in all of this since 12 stadium experts, a return to safe standing and a change in the property market may make something unworkable workable. I think plan B was to have Rovers play at the Mem but to have supporters watch the match elsewhere - Virtual Reality now exists, why do I need to travel 14,000 miles when I can share the experience with my headset. I could even stay in my pants and drink questionnable grog whilst watching the VR (I do this with that iViewer thing anyway)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 7:18:31 GMT
Spot on. Wael is a decent,genuine man, but he doesn't hold the purse strings. The whole and thing has been worked up on the back of beer mat this week We are into very worrying times. DS have a target IRR from their venture into Rovers. This is/was linked to the stadium development and associated enterprises. Once the IRR drops below a certain threshold then the plan is torn-up = it's academic (excuse the pun) if UWE still wants the stadium. It's about cost and returns. What doesn't seem plausible is a Mem Redevelopment being far cheaper when considering permissions, void periods and a reduced capacity and associated incomes. However, 'seem' is the crucial word in all of this since 12 stadium experts, a return to safe standing and a change in the property market may make something unworkable workable. I think plan B was to have Rovers play at the Mem but to have supporters watch the match elsewhere - Virtual Reality now exists, why do I need to travel 14,000 miles when I can share the experience with my headset. I could even stay in my pants and drink questionnable grog whilst watching the VR (I do this with that iViewer thing anyway) Agreed
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 11, 2017 7:59:54 GMT
"DS have a target IRR from their venture into Rovers. This is/was linked to the stadium development and associated enterprises. Once the IRR drops below a certain threshold then the plan is torn-up = it's academic (excuse the pun) if UWE still wants the stadium. It's about cost and returns". Spot on. DS is a business first and foremost. Secondary to that, Wael is a Gashead. I hope the two can combine to make a success of the Mem redevelopment. But I simply do not see where the out-side investment will be coming from. There is no evidence of any to date. Show me the money. Show me the money.
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 11, 2017 8:02:56 GMT
It's a better interview than the other fella last week. I think this would help people who don't understand the term "damned by faint praise".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 8:06:30 GMT
How about a fake soldier? Not sure what you are on about ...am I a keyboard warrrior ?
I don't personally need to lower myself to call other gasheads offensive names on here. I would not post anything that I was not prepared to say to someone's face. Social media can be good and informative but some users completely embarrass themselves with juvenile comments. Sad really but guess that is the world we know live in. Have a good weekend
I think he was referencing when you set up a second account on here claiming to have "fought" for our freedom. Lest you forget.
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faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 11, 2017 8:35:51 GMT
As Harold said in 1957 (MacMillan) not Jarman to my grandfather "Let us be frank about it: most of our people have never had it so good". League One Football, a 11,500 capacity football stadium, average attendances of 9,500, 4,500 season ticket holders, a young talented manager on a five year contract, a second round entry into the League Cup, an award winning match day programme plus real cornish pasties. What's not to like ! That's true. The problem is, football in England is so competitive that if you aren't progressing off the pitch, you are in danger of becoming obsolete.
And, of course, there's the question of what happens when the money runs out, as it always has int he past.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 11, 2017 8:44:49 GMT
As Harold said in 1957 (MacMillan) not Jarman to my grandfather "Let us be frank about it: most of our people have never had it so good". League One Football, a 11,500 capacity football stadium, average attendances of 9,500, 4,500 season ticket holders, a young talented manager on a five year contract, a second round entry into the League Cup, an award winning match day programme plus real cornish pasties. What's not to like ! That's true. The problem is, football in England is so competitive that if you aren't progressing off the pitch, you are in danger of becoming obsolete.
And, of course, there's the question of what happens when the money runs out, as it always has int he past.
I have heard this argument a lot lately and I can't get my head around it. Managers come and go, players come and go. There will be ups and downs along the way but unless we get some decent facilities there is no hope of us establishing ourselves in the Championship and beyond. DC has made great progress, but I'm not sure when mid table league 1 warranted the phrase never had it so good. There is only so far you can go when you have 2 tents as stands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 9:02:58 GMT
That's true. The problem is, football in England is so competitive that if you aren't progressing off the pitch, you are in danger of becoming obsolete.
And, of course, there's the question of what happens when the money runs out, as it always has int he past.
I have heard this argument a lot lately and I can't get my head around it. Managers come and go, players come and go. There will be ups and downs along the way but unless we get some decent facilities there is no hope of us establishing ourselves in the Championship and beyond. DC has made great progress, but I'm not sure when mid table league 1 warranted the phrase never had it so good. There is only so far you can go when you have 2 tents as stands. Personally speaking I aspire to have the club to be financially solvent, the odd run in the Championship and a decent stadium of around 18-22k ideally with safe standing. Drama on the pitch is what makes football brilliant though.
In 2008 Stoke were promoted to the top flight after drawing 0-0 with Leicester on the last day of the season. Since then Stoke have finished 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 13th, 9th, 9th, 9th and 13th under two managers. Leicester however in the same time have appointed Nigel Pearson, won League One, lost in two Championship Playoffs, sacked Nigel Pearson, appointed Sven, sacked Sven, reappointed Nigel Pearson, won the Championship, had a Great Escape, a leaked sex tape, sacked Nigel Pearson, appointed Ranieri, won the Premier League, sacked Ranieri, got to a Champions League Quarter Final and finished 12th.
On the field stability is frankly over rated.
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Post by basel on Aug 11, 2017 13:06:01 GMT
Wael did well in the interview.He reminded those whose glass is half empty that the building team he has ,has built a dozen stadiums.They are good and have real experience. He also mentioned that the Mem area is the same size as "Goodison".Goodison has a big capacity and if the build digs a hole first,then begins to build upwards (a la UWE plan) the New Mem can have a capacity of say 25,000. Then we have the Coloney traing ground.The best manager in decades on a long contract.Players signed the last Board would not of managed to sign eg Liam Sercombe.Coaching staff.Cowds the best since early-ish 70s.Etc. My glass is half full and I remain a believer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 13:17:02 GMT
Can we dig any lower with the famous Horfield Springs?
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Post by Igitur on Aug 11, 2017 13:18:18 GMT
Glass half full? Some recent posters don't even seem to have a glass.
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Post by Angas on Aug 11, 2017 13:32:48 GMT
Can we dig any lower with the famous Horfield Springs? Sainsbury's were going to dig down for their car park.
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faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 11, 2017 13:40:08 GMT
Wael did well in the interview.He reminded those whose glass is half empty that the building team he has ,has built a dozen stadiums.They are good and have real experience. He also mentioned that the Mem area is the same size as "Goodison".Goodison has a big capacity and if the build digs a hole first,then begins to build upwards (a la UWE plan) the New Mem can have a capacity of say 25,000. Then we have the Coloney traing ground.The best manager in decades on a long contract.Players signed the last Board would not of managed to sign eg Liam Sercombe.Coaching staff.Cowds the best since early-ish 70s.Etc. My glass is half full and I remain a believer. I'll try to depress you on Saturday.
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Post by insideuwe on Aug 11, 2017 15:47:55 GMT
No one has given any thought about the other side in this deal. Wael and Hamer obviously had their hands tied giving those interviews, they new the reasons, but non disclosure agreements forbid them speaking openly. The man on the other side, Bill Marshall Senior negotiator for UWE, his telephone sound board throughout the negotiations with Dwane Sports, NH. When the deadline was broken, first call he made, NH. Is it any wonder there was a leak. Marshall is the man they refer to one step forward and four back. His boss Steve West is really hacked off, reason for his surprise interview the day of the announcement. Marshall is kacking himself,the deal was ready to be done several times only for this herbert thinking he was Donald Trump to flunk it ! No consolation really but he's toast at UWE
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 11, 2017 16:29:45 GMT
So if I'm Steve west I get shot of Marshall as a sign of good faith, and try to find out from wael what it was that I missed
Meanwhile nh will be kept out of all loops, and won't be seeing his loan repaid anytime soon?
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