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Post by SE5 Gas on Jul 29, 2017 4:24:29 GMT
Bizarre trying to compare Rovers to Bradford & goes to show just how far away from reality those placed to lead this scheme are so wide of the mark that it truly spins me out. Bristol is nothing even close to Bradford plus, until people are truly comfortable and committed to tackle the latent racism then it will carry on, passed in from parents to their kids It's sad when this forum even closes down a thread that attempts to discuss it. Things dint just go away because you refuse to acknowledge them I'm one of the writers of the article (Maff). I get what you're saying, but as we say in the article - leave aside Rovers catchment areas like Ashley, Easton and Lawrence Hill - Southmead is 15% BAME so that means at that Southend game we 'counted' at (very unscientifically, as we say!): if it was representing North Bristol, there should have been over 1,000 Black, Asian or other non-white faces in the crowd. We all know, whatever the true figure, its nowhere near that. Is that a problem? Yep, it means Rovers aren't getting all sections of Bristol thru the gate, and Bristolians from some migrant communities are missing out on 'real game' atmosphere, and settling for following Prem teams on the TV. Is there still racism in the ground? Yep, but it is VERY rare that you hear open racist chanting at a game. Now I think the Blackthorn is no more racist than Bristol itself (i.e. still a bit racist!) and the club should be congratulated for the work its done - and we do that in the article. Also, remember, NO ONE we spoke to in researching the article said they were put off coming to Rovers because they were concerned about being a target of racism, so it is more complicated than that. We're now working with Adam Tutton from Rovers to come up with different ideas that haven't been tried before. Thats why we compare it with Bradford, where they have tried different things (e.g. Bangala Bantams) and its worked. Rovers do very well with getting kids from all communities involved in Rovers youth teams and events, but then this doesn't transfer into groups of teenagers coming down the Gas, and then being hooked for life. Why not? We want to find out. As one wise owl succinctly statest above - Rovers crowd is changing, its getting older. This could be one of the reasons why BAME attendance is lower, as is ticket price/ value for money, as is family traditions (as you say), and other things like glory-hunting with a Prem club. As we say in the article, all these things are reasons, not all of them are just about race. But under-representation of Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic Bristolians down the Rovers is 'a thing', and and its something we want to try and do something about. We're not stupid. We know what some people think about this kind of thing, and the kind of comments we're going to get (as two white blokes talking about it for a start). But amongst all that there will be people (like you) who want this 'discrepancy' to be sorted out for the good of Rovers and the whole of Bristol, and its them that we're aiming the article at, and its them we want to get involved. If people do want to get involved, email content@thebristolcable.org and we'll get back to you. If people don't want to be involved, or don't agree with what we're trying to do, please leave us be to give it a go, and see what happens. Also, I would encourage everyone to become a member of the Bristol Cable, for £1 a month. We want to create an independent voice in Bristol, not funded by millionaires or corporations, but by the all people of Bristol. Well said that man |
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 29, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
Disagree it's a 'problem'.
How many of us support Rovers because our Dad or other family member does/did? Perhaps quite a few more because their friends do. The vast majority for those two reasons I suspect. Considering the high percentage of white people attending games, BAME people are much less likely to have friends, and especially family to lead them to coming to games/supporting the club. Those who don't have that family/friends pull towards a FL club usually just support Prem teams and watch it on the telly, plenty of white people as well.
So not only is it not a problem, not much can be done about it and I don't see why any more focus should go on any certain demographic. If anything we should focus on those that are more likely to take up the offer. Football is entertainment, it's not like people have a poorer quality of life if they are missing out on it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 29, 2017 17:34:31 GMT
Admin.. please lock or anchor this thread before it gets out of hand.. Why is it grown men and women cannot nor are willing to discuss this ? Each time the subject pops up we get people wanting to bin it or not discuss. It's closed minds that keep the problem from being properly addressed and those same closed minds will be womdering why our fanbase starts to dwindle when guys in my age groups are unable to go anymore. Its a sad indictment upon the fans when they don't even want to discuss it and in a decent fashion |
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Post by strung out on Jul 30, 2017 8:17:01 GMT
Admin.. please lock or anchor this thread before it gets out of hand.. Why is it grown men and women cannot nor are willing to discuss this ? Each time the subject pops up we get people wanting to bin it or not discuss. It's closed minds that keep the problem from being properly addressed and those same closed minds will be womdering why our fanbase starts to dwindle when guys in my age groups are unable to go anymore. Its a sad indictment upon the fans when they don't even want to discuss it and in a decent fashion He was taking the piss |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 17:32:41 GMT
We're now working with Adam Tutton from Rovers to come up with different ideas that haven't been tried before. Thats why we compare it with Bradford, where they have tried different things (e.g. Bangala Bantams) and its worked. Rovers do very well with getting kids from all communities involved in Rovers youth teams and events, but then this doesn't transfer into groups of teenagers coming down the Gas, and then being hooked for life. Why not? We want to find out. As one wise owl succinctly statest above - Rovers crowd is changing, its getting older. This could be one of the reasons why BAME attendance is lower, as is ticket price/ value for money, as is family traditions (as you say), and other things like glory-hunting with a Prem club. As we say in the article, all these things are reasons, not all of them are just about race. But under-representation of Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic Bristolians down the Rovers is 'a thing', and and its something we want to try and do something about. We're not stupid. We know what some people think about this kind of thing, and the kind of comments we're going to get (as two white blokes talking about it for a start). But amongst all that there will be people (like you) who want this 'discrepancy' to be sorted out for the good of Rovers and the whole of Bristol, and its them that we're aiming the article at, and its them we want to get involved. Assuming that Rovers don't have a blank cheque to throw at this, what did the PL clubs say when you asked for details of which were their most cost effective projects? They seem to have things heading in the right direction, BAME (ugly title, don't like it one bit, these are people we are talking about) as a % of UK population just under 12%, as a % of PL crowds circa 16%. Can't wait for the make up of the crowd to change, the few remaining hard core racists will hate it and will piss off somewhere else on a Saturday afternoon. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to find out that those 50+ year old brain dead meatheads who cause trouble at away matches are amongst them, and I for one would be delighted to never see any of that little group ever again. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 30, 2017 20:58:02 GMT
We're now working with Adam Tutton from Rovers to come up with different ideas that haven't been tried before. Thats why we compare it with Bradford, where they have tried different things (e.g. Bangala Bantams) and its worked. Rovers do very well with getting kids from all communities involved in Rovers youth teams and events, but then this doesn't transfer into groups of teenagers coming down the Gas, and then being hooked for life. Why not? We want to find out. As one wise owl succinctly statest above - Rovers crowd is changing, its getting older. This could be one of the reasons why BAME attendance is lower, as is ticket price/ value for money, as is family traditions (as you say), and other things like glory-hunting with a Prem club. As we say in the article, all these things are reasons, not all of them are just about race. But under-representation of Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic Bristolians down the Rovers is 'a thing', and and its something we want to try and do something about. We're not stupid. We know what some people think about this kind of thing, and the kind of comments we're going to get (as two white blokes talking about it for a start). But amongst all that there will be people (like you) who want this 'discrepancy' to be sorted out for the good of Rovers and the whole of Bristol, and its them that we're aiming the article at, and its them we want to get involved. Assuming that Rovers don't have a blank cheque to throw at this, what did the PL clubs say when you asked for details of which were their most cost effective projects? They seem to have things heading in the right direction, BAME (ugly title, don't like it one bit, these are people we are talking about) as a % of UK population just under 12%, as a % of PL crowds circa 16%. Can't wait for the make up of the crowd to change, the few remaining hard core racists will hate it and will piss off somewhere else on a Saturday afternoon. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to find out that those 50+ year old brain dead meatheads who cause trouble at away matches are amongst them, and I for one would be delighted to never see any of that little group ever again. Preach it brother |
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Post by The Concept on Aug 10, 2017 19:28:16 GMT
Disagree it's a 'problem'. How many of us support Rovers because our Dad or other family member does/did? Perhaps quite a few more because their friends do. The vast majority for those two reasons I suspect. Considering the high percentage of white people attending games, BAME people are much less likely to have friends, and especially family to lead them to coming to games/supporting the club. Those who don't have that family/friends pull towards a FL club usually just support Prem teams and watch it on the telly, plenty of white people as well. So not only is it not a problem, not much can be done about it and I don't see why any more focus should go on any certain demographic. If anything we should focus on those that are more likely to take up the offer. Football is entertainment, it's not like people have a poorer quality of life if they are missing out on it. I was going to post something similar about the fact that most people attend because of their family or friends brought them along, and so naturally there will be fewer introductions for someone of 2nd or 3rd generation living in the UK. There is less of a chance for affinity. What you've found there is a reason for the problem - there is still a problem though. Why shouldn't we try to improve the situation? Why shouldn't we try improve the chances for affinity to the club? Why shouldn't we try to make the faces we see at Bristol Rovers more representative of the faces we see in the streets, houses and workplaces of Bristol? |
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Post by paddingtongas on Aug 11, 2017 13:43:19 GMT
"Diversity at the Mem"
Are they the half time entertainment tomorrow ?
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Post by alloutofgas on Aug 11, 2017 16:33:37 GMT
What a load of PC horse sh*t
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 16:36:57 GMT
"Diversity at the Mem" Are they the half time entertainment tomorrow ? Isn't one of them called Banjo? Apt name for a Gashead, apt instrument for the other lot. |
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Post by The Concept on Aug 16, 2017 18:16:42 GMT
What a load of PC horse sh*t It's got absolutely nothing to do with being politically correct. It's got everything to do with: spreading the name of Bristol Rovers; making the club more accessible to all sections of society; improving the likelihood of affinity to the club, and, overall, to increase the numbers of Bristol Rovers supporters. |
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Aug 16, 2017 18:25:28 GMT
What a load of PC horse sh*t I think I found the culprit for the racial abuse incident on Saturday. |
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Post by alloutofgas on Aug 17, 2017 10:12:33 GMT
What a load of PC horse sh*t I think I found the culprit for the racial abuse incident on Saturday. "BURN THE WITCH!!......" |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 17, 2017 10:49:06 GMT
I think I found the culprit for the racial abuse incident on Saturday. "BURN THE WITCH!!......" no need to be that extreme. stay the fúck away from the Mem will do for me. With the IRA and German Bombers rubbish, some parts of the Thatchers end may as well be twinned with Charlottesville. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 10:50:25 GMT
Everyone is welcome at The Mem, white, black, brown, blue, red... not red sorry, even cabbage looking folk!
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Post by leebrownsrightboot on Aug 17, 2017 10:58:11 GMT
Everyone is welcome at The Mem, white, black, brown, blue, red... not red sorry, even cabbage looking folk! Why would Yeovil fans come to The Mem? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 17, 2017 11:37:11 GMT
What a load of PC horse sh*t It's got absolutely nothing to do with being politically correct. It's got everything to do with: spreading the name of Bristol Rovers; making the club more accessible to all sections of society; improving the likelihood of affinity to the club, and, overall, to increase the numbers of Bristol Rovers supporters. AND to make minority groups feel safe and welcome at games. At this moment they are not, they are not directly set upon but one only has to hear the abuse given to EH or ANY Indian/Pakistani/Black assistant referee, to see how bad we really are, in certain parts of the ground |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 17, 2017 11:38:08 GMT
What a load of PC horse sh*t I think I found the culprit for the racial abuse incident on Saturday. Please report him/her to a steward or contact the club |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 17, 2017 11:44:26 GMT
no need to be that extreme. stay the fúck away from the Mem will do for me. With the IRA and German Bombers rubbish, some parts of the Thatchers end may as well be twinned with Charlottesville. Well said and whether people like it or not, it's true there are certain parts of the ground, Thatchers in parts and West Terrace in parts in my experience, that are pure vile bile and hatred. I come to watch a game and not get mein kampf quoted me and told how right Hitler and Enoch Powell were. What gets me is that if these people can be intelligent enough to quote these then why not then take it further and see how history is repeating itself. Unopposed hatred and apathy are the two pillars that allow evil to succeed and we do have two very different types of supporters. Those hankering for the good old days of p**i bashing and those who just want a decent day out. This really does need nipping in the bud |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 12:32:16 GMT
no need to be that extreme. stay the fúck away from the Mem will do for me. With the IRA and German Bombers rubbish, some parts of the Thatchers end may as well be twinned with Charlottesville. Well said and whether people like it or not, it's true there are certain parts of the ground, Thatchers in parts and West Terrace in parts in my experience, that are pure vile bile and hatred. I come to watch a game and not get mein kampf quoted me and told how right Hitler and Enoch Powell were. What gets me is that if these people can be intelligent enough to quote these then why not then take it further and see how history is repeating itself. Unopposed hatred and apathy are the two pillars that allow evil to succeed and we do have two very different types of supporters. Those hankering for the good old days of p**i bashing and those who just want a decent day out. This really does need nipping in the bud Those hankering for the good old days of p**i bashing and those who just want a decent day out. This really does need nipping in the bud now i cant let this go unopposed, an isolated person chatting sh1t and weve a camp wanting paki-bashing ?, get on charlottsville ? f**k me what rot, 2 groups of dickheads waging war on each other , no thats not the mem |
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