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Post by DudeLebowski on Jun 22, 2017 11:32:12 GMT
Are you saying, if we are six points behind the leading pack at the end of August, we will have no chance of getting promoted? August? Not at all, I would just prefer to be in the pack rather than chasing it. But, August?? Whose to say we won't be in the leading pack come October, December or April?! Nothings decided after the first 4 games.
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Post by Igitur on Jun 22, 2017 12:45:17 GMT
Not at all, I would just prefer to be in the pack rather than chasing it. But, August?? Whose to say we won't be in the leading pack come October, December or April?! Nothings decided after the first 4 games. This is being taken a bit too literally. Obviously nothing is won in August, the point being made was around having as full and settled squad as possible at the start of a season - that's all.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jun 22, 2017 14:00:43 GMT
The OP is right to be nervous, too many seem to have a flippant attitude towards the lack of signings, but then again ever since the new regime came in, questioning anything has been viewed as a heinous crime. DC was clear that he wanted '10 or 11 new players', people need to stop taking contracts ending on the 30th June so literally. Players who have contracts ending on the 30th June have been told 7 weeks ago they were being released, and are free to sign new deals with other clubs, hundreds of these signings have already been made and already announced. If we were only in the market for 3 or 4 new signings then i could understand the lack of transfer business, especially when loan deals are done towards the end of July & August. But a large number of those 10 or 11 new signings will be free agents, and at least 75% of them have signed themselves up with other clubs. Another thing i cannot understand is why we are starting pre season training so late, i understand the usual 1 day of fitness testing is taking place on Friday 30th, followed by the proper first day back on 3rd July. Why do the players need 9 weeks off?! It seems like an excessive amount of time, especially when most clubs are already back in this week. Do you really think that, WestcountryGas, about questioning? The op has questioned, and I don't think anyone considers it a heinous crime? The whole point of a forum is to question, isn't it? ...as long as it can be accepted there may be a different opinion. Onto your comments which I somewhat agree, but you surely can see, that to announce anything before contract has expired can be wholly inappropriate. I'm sure there are informal talks all the time - there certainly are in most other trades - so this next 6/7 weeks will show more movement for every club, albeit some of the negotiations are probably taking place same time, while you read this message!
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jun 22, 2017 14:15:13 GMT
The OP is right to be nervous, too many seem to have a flippant attitude towards the lack of signings, but then again ever since the new regime came in, questioning anything has been viewed as a heinous crime. DC was clear that he wanted '10 or 11 new players', people need to stop taking contracts ending on the 30th June so literally. Players who have contracts ending on the 30th June have been told 7 weeks ago they were being released, and are free to sign new deals with other clubs, hundreds of these signings have already been made and already announced. If we were only in the market for 3 or 4 new signings then i could understand the lack of transfer business, especially when loan deals are done towards the end of July & August. But a large number of those 10 or 11 new signings will be free agents, and at least 75% of them have signed themselves up with other clubs. Another thing i cannot understand is why we are starting pre season training so late, i understand the usual 1 day of fitness testing is taking place on Friday 30th, followed by the proper first day back on 3rd July. Why do the players need 9 weeks off?! It seems like an excessive amount of time, especially when most clubs are already back in this week. Do you really think that, WestcountryGas, about questioning? The op has questioned, and I don't think anyone considers it a heinous crime? The whole point of a forum is to question, isn't it? ...as long as it can be accepted there may be a different opinion. Onto your comments which I somewhat agree, but you surely can see, that to announce anything before contract has expired can be wholly inappropriate. I'm sure there are informal talks all the time - there certainly are in most other trades - so this next 6/7 weeks will show more movement for every club, albeit some of the negotiations are probably taking place same time, while you read this message! I'm talking about the unwritten rule that the majority follow which is you must never question or be negative towards anything the club does since Feb 2016. I'm glad Jeff mentioned his concern about the lack of signings, i was considering starting a thread saying the same thing, but I've lost my tin hat, so better a more respected poster asked rather than me. You do realise than over a hundred transfers have gone through in the last 8 weeks of players who contracts haven't expired yet, so not sure why on earth you think it would wholly inappropriate that they be announced, it's standard practice that players who know they are leaving a club sign contracts with clubs before the 30th June. Apologies to Seth who obviously has issues with the word flippant.
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Post by kegandeg on Jun 22, 2017 14:20:26 GMT
As was previously stated a lot of contracts run out at midnight on the 30th of june. If things are still quiet a few weeks on from then it would be time to get a bit nervous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 14:33:21 GMT
So, on average, that's a little over 1 per club. How far off that average are we? As for 'flippant' - I don't have issues with the word - just your misuse of it. People have said they don't think it's an issue. That's far from 'not showing a serious or respectful attitude', it's just not singing to your Leonard Cohen song sheet ( <- that one's 'flippant', by the way). Maybe the word you were looking for was 'relaxed'. Plus, you said ' too many seem to have a flippant attitude towards the lack of signings' as if - even if it were flippant and there were an agreement that there is a lack of signings in the timeframe - there were some cause-and-effect thing and it was all our fault. There isn't. As for criticising when it's due, I do. When we've had horrendously inept governance in the past, I've criticised. If we ever do again, I will again. I just don't try to shoehorn what we've got now into a perverse interpretation whereby they should get as much criticism as the last Kano's Army did.
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Post by bloogas on Jun 22, 2017 15:12:16 GMT
So then, Westcountry,our owners & BoD are wrong in giving this bungling moron a five year contract???
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Post by tauntongas on Jun 22, 2017 18:27:41 GMT
(1) The OP is right to be nervous, too many seem to have a flippant attitude towards the lack of signings, but then again ever since the new regime came in, questioning anything has been viewed as a heinous crime. (2) DC was clear that he wanted '10 or 11 new players', people need to stop taking contracts ending on the 30th June so literally. Players who have contracts ending on the 30th June have been told 7 weeks ago they were being released, and are free to sign new deals with other clubs, hundreds of these signings have already been made and already announced. If we were only in the market for 3 or 4 new signings then i could understand the lack of transfer business, especially when loan deals are done towards the end of July & August. But a large number of those 10 or 11 new signings will be free agents, and at least 75% of them have signed themselves up with other clubs. (3) Another thing i cannot understand is why we are starting pre season training so late, i understand the usual 1 day of fitness testing is taking place on Friday 30th, followed by the proper first day back on 3rd July. Why do the players need 9 weeks off?! It seems like an excessive amount of time, especially when most clubs are already back in this week. (1) Patient, yes. Flippant? I would need a bit more evidence. I think forumers/Gasheads are hungry for signings. I certainly wouldn't label criticism of the board as a "heinous crime" but it seems difficult to point any serious criticism at a board, a manager and a squad that has been a major part of three years at the club that would rival any. Higgs & Co stood by during the Vanarama days and that should never be forgotten. However, other than deliberately not releasing any news about the stadium, what major flaws have the current board brought in or overseen? (2) DC does want signings. Even if there had been 200 signings across all divisions so far, that is an average of two per club, which would put us in the middle. Our one signing also represented a very significant fee (for us). I cannot think of a club that took part in a 10+ signing summer, who had 50% of their work done by June 30th - but will sincerely stand corrected. DC has also been very active in the loan market, which as you state, would mean that some signings may be due later on, by default. (3) Your comment suggests 8 weeks break would be satisfactory but 9 weeks is too long. That is seven days, at most. A genuine criticism of the team from last season may have been that they ran out of puff in the final month or so. In reflection, would you get them back at the same time as last year, earlier or give them a longer break and plan your pre-season to balance last year's 'failing' ? It is good to be critical of everything, as long as it has reason or just cause. It is good to have people who stay grounded and bear in mind the lessons of the past, before getting too excited about the future. There are still lots of improvements to be made at the club and some improvements require more work than others. Is there anyone who doubts the vision, effort and ability of DC to blend with our club and be the man that takes us forward? If so, I would love to hear the reasoning behind such doubt. The board, Dwayne Sports or whoever are more of an unknown quantity. It is ambiguous as to whether they are more open or closed than before. The 'leaks' seem to have stopped but then the information regarding the UWE-phant in the room has dried up. I can understand where worry would justifiably set in, among some fans. After so many years of obstacles and bungling on so many levels, I think that patience in what appears to be a more professional plan, is a prudent choice. If in ten months we are bottom of League 1 and Wael has been on Subs Bench, crying into a pint of Thatchers about the collapse of the stadium plan; by all means take a shot. Until then, I am going to enjoy Rovers being managed by a bloke who seems like he has his head screwed on. I am going to enjoy seeing the playing staff populated by a high percentage of lads that want to play decent football, do well for themselves and the club. I am going to enjoy Rovers growing as a club and improving their professionalism towards off-pitch endeavours. Is everything perfect? No, far from it. Are we 'set' for the next ten/twenty years? No, not at all. But is the 'now' worth being positive about? Most definitely. Have a good evening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 21:59:41 GMT
To tie two threads together, there was a lot of excitement, and disappointment that we didn't see the minutes, for a budget meeting in London in early May. Ahead of that, DC rattled off a list of about 10 types of player he wanted to bring in. Folk were concerned that he'd go if he didn't get the budget for something at least approaching that. He's now demonstrated that he's happy to stay. Things seem tickety to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 22:31:38 GMT
I think we will get a series of stage managed announcements of new signings during july. I also think we will still be trying to get people right up to the deadline. Its just not possible imo to get all your signings in before pre- season starts in the real world and we face stiff competition to get our targets i imagine.
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Post by RiversGas on Jun 23, 2017 8:24:38 GMT
The OP is right to be nervous, too many seem to have a flippant attitude towards the lack of signings, but then again ever since the new regime came in, questioning anything has been viewed as a heinous crime. DC was clear that he wanted '10 or 11 new players', people need to stop taking contracts ending on the 30th June so literally. Players who have contracts ending on the 30th June have been told 7 weeks ago they were being released, and are free to sign new deals with other clubs, hundreds of these signings have already been made and already announced. If we were only in the market for 3 or 4 new signings then i could understand the lack of transfer business, especially when loan deals are done towards the end of July & August. But a large number of those 10 or 11 new signings will be free agents, and at least 75% of them have signed themselves up with other clubs. Another thing i cannot understand is why we are starting pre season training so late, i understand the usual 1 day of fitness testing is taking place on Friday 30th, followed by the proper first day back on 3rd July. Why do the players need 9 weeks off?! It seems like an excessive amount of time, especially when most clubs are already back in this week. 141 made according to BBC June transfer listing for EPL, FL SPL and selected International Transfers.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jun 23, 2017 8:53:58 GMT
Fortunately, DC knows his squad, the club & the game of football better than all of us.
I'm pretty cool about sitting back & letting him do what's RIGHT for the squad, when he sees fit.
I understand some won't ever be happy, until he goes out and brings 14 new players in like the football manager genius Paul Buckle. This is Rovers after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 9:22:40 GMT
The OP is right to be nervous, too many seem to have a flippant attitude towards the lack of signings, but then again ever since the new regime came in, questioning anything has been viewed as a heinous crime. DC was clear that he wanted '10 or 11 new players', people need to stop taking contracts ending on the 30th June so literally. Players who have contracts ending on the 30th June have been told 7 weeks ago they were being released, and are free to sign new deals with other clubs, hundreds of these signings have already been made and already announced. If we were only in the market for 3 or 4 new signings then i could understand the lack of transfer business, especially when loan deals are done towards the end of July & August. But a large number of those 10 or 11 new signings will be free agents, and at least 75% of them have signed themselves up with other clubs. Another thing i cannot understand is why we are starting pre season training so late, i understand the usual 1 day of fitness testing is taking place on Friday 30th, followed by the proper first day back on 3rd July. Why do the players need 9 weeks off?! It seems like an excessive amount of time, especially when most clubs are already back in this week. 141 made according to BBC June transfer listing for EPL, FL SPL and selected International Transfers. And therein proves that what SH stated is true, all clubs are holding back until asking prices drop.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jun 23, 2017 11:11:46 GMT
Few years back ,mate who works at SCFC tipped me off about Matt Lund joining us and subsequently Southend.Told me to-day Ryan Sweeney reporting back to Stoke soon for pre season training with nothing sorted at this stage re any loans as far as Sweeney concerned.
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Post by kegandeg on Jun 23, 2017 14:21:50 GMT
Just read a club has signed a player whose contact runs out the end of June looks like players are available to sign whilst still under contract that makes the lack of signings a bit more worrying.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 23, 2017 15:49:31 GMT
Just read a club has signed a player whose contact runs out the end of June looks like players are available to sign whilst still under contract that makes the lack of signings a bit more worrying. Maybe we are after the better quality players that have more than one offer on the table
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Jun 23, 2017 16:30:34 GMT
I'm not worried. DC has a long-term plan and a list of 10+ players he wants. Already we've made moves and I'm excited to see what Sercombe can deliver. Give it a month before having any doubts, July is the business period of the Summer window and there's plenty of time left.
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Post by c4h10 on Jun 24, 2017 15:09:08 GMT
I reckon there's a whole 'plane load of players approaching; the wheels are down, and the landing lights are on.................
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Post by stevethepirate on Jun 24, 2017 15:34:11 GMT
And the man with the table tennis bats is waving them in.
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Post by bs5 on Jun 24, 2017 23:58:24 GMT
Yes definitely
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