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Post by Blue Mist on May 10, 2017 14:15:55 GMT
Premier League to write to Accrington Stanley chairman after criticismI think Holt has a valid point to be honest and the Premiere League threatening to withdraw their financial support can just f**k right off. Of the £8 billion for TV rights, Accrington (and all League 2 Clubs) get £430,000 per year. Wayne Rooney is on £300,000 per week wages. Im really angry about this and If the premiere League cannot see the disparity in those economics then there really is no hope.
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Post by bloogas on May 10, 2017 14:31:15 GMT
Agree with you but we'll no doubt be underwhelmed with apathy. The Premier is barely English anymore, other than it is staged here. Reflects the country as a whole but who gives a ****.Just me & you.
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Post by Blue Mist on May 10, 2017 14:45:13 GMT
Its merely a comment on the economics of football. Sorry, I dont think its any relection on the country as a whole or any relation to being English or not.
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Post by matealotblue on May 10, 2017 15:07:54 GMT
Premier League to write to Accrington Stanley chairman after criticismI think Holt has a valid point to be honest and the Premiere League threatening to withdraw their financial support can just f right off. Of the £8 billion for TV rights, Accrington (and all League 2 Clubs) get £430,000 per year. Wayne Rooney is on £300,000 per week wages. Im really angry about this and If the premiere League cannot see the disparity in those economics then there really is no hope. Oh, they can see the disparity alright. They just don't give a **** about it though. Fell out of love with the PL many years ago. Mostly when Sky spent gazillions to have the rights to it. Felt the fans (i.e. those who go to matches as opposed to those who pay for a replica shirt and use a remote control) always came a distant third after that. Yes....I am an old fashioned dinasour who likes to watch football standing not sitting and at 3 pm on a Saturday. Product of my upbringing I guess. Not to say I don't recognise what masterpieces some of the stadia are now though. Caught between the two notions of tradition and progress. Always begs the question of whether or not I would want to see BRFC ever get there. I guess you have to aim for it, and dream what might be, but honestly I think there are so many egotistical prize fools involved with the PL, so much dross written in the back pages and so mush faffing around with fixtures that in many ways I would not be sorry if they didn't make it. Real life and the PL are worlds apart. |
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Post by irishrover on May 10, 2017 15:37:47 GMT
The sentiment is admirable but the expression is a good example of the need to remove social media accessing devices from your immediate vicinity after embarking on the 4th pint.......
In other words he's on the right lines but the way it has been expressed is poor and has actually allowed the Premier League to win this particular PR battle if you look at their response today.
I'd argue that the real crisis football league clubs may be facing in a few years is the consequences of the preimierisation of the football league. Ie. Look how may football league clubs (including us as good a job as they have done) are now owned by overseas owners who are largely in this for the investment value. Clubs like Orient, Blackburn,Coventry, Charlton etc point to what can happen when that goes sour and it's potentially far worse than previous home grown corruption and incompetence because it has the potential to create an army of 'zombie clubs' in which clubs are run into the ground but no pressure can asserted on intransigent owners to sell because the bad PR has no wider consequence for them. That's the real threat to the football league as I see it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 17:10:53 GMT
The sentiment is admirable but the expression is a good example of the need to remove social media accessing devices from your immediate vicinity after embarking on the 4th pint....... In other words he's on the right lines but the way it has been expressed is poor and has actually allowed the Premier League to win this particular PR battle if you look at their response today. I'd argue that the real crisis football league clubs may be facing in a few years is the consequences of the preimierisation of the football league. Ie. Look how may football league clubs (including us as good a job as they have done) are now owned by overseas owners who are largely in this for the investment value. Clubs like Orient, Blackburn,Coventry, Charlton etc point to what can happen when that goes sour and it's potentially far worse than previous home grown corruption and incompetence because it has the potential to create an army of 'zombie clubs' in which clubs are run into the ground but no pressure can asserted on intransigent owners to sell because the bad PR has no wider consequence for them. That's the real threat to the football league as I see it. Not seen their response today, but the 'real' response, the one from the heart rather than the head, came yesterday, and it was 'shut up or we'll do all we can to shut you up'. If it took a few pints to get Accys Chairman to say what we all know to be the truth then, good, is what I reckon. Guess what PL mouthpiece, if it wasn't for the rampant inflation all through the game and local fans who stay in and watch your 'product' rather than go and see a game at The Crown Ground, the finances of Accy would instantly be swung in a positive direction by far more than the scraps that you throw to us to try to keep us quiet. The PL has been a total disaster for British football, nobody sane would argue, but people still keep handing over their money? Now they have F1 as well, and they aren't done yet, soon it'll be the Euros you'll have to pay to watch, then the World Cup, then the Olympics. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas! Happy holidays! |
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Post by matealotblue on May 10, 2017 17:25:29 GMT
The sentiment is admirable but the expression is a good example of the need to remove social media accessing devices from your immediate vicinity after embarking on the 4th pint....... In other words he's on the right lines but the way it has been expressed is poor and has actually allowed the Premier League to win this particular PR battle if you look at their response today. I'd argue that the real crisis football league clubs may be facing in a few years is the consequences of the preimierisation of the football league. Ie. Look how may football league clubs (including us as good a job as they have done) are now owned by overseas owners who are largely in this for the investment value. Clubs like Orient, Blackburn,Coventry, Charlton etc point to what can happen when that goes sour and it's potentially far worse than previous home grown corruption and incompetence because it has the potential to create an army of 'zombie clubs' in which clubs are run into the ground but no pressure can asserted on intransigent owners to sell because the bad PR has no wider consequence for them. That's the real threat to the football league as I see it. The PL has been a total disaster for British football, nobody sane would argue, but people still keep handing over their money? Whatever your views on the the disaster for British football it has been a financial gravy train for the administrators of the PL and their friends at Man Ure and Chelski.....so it's been a roaring success then. Obviously......and **** the rest of you!! |
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Post by GasPanic! on May 10, 2017 17:53:21 GMT
Accrington are a poxy nothing club and John Coleman is a whining little twat.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 10, 2017 17:58:58 GMT
Its merely a comment on the economics of football. Sorry, I dont think its any relection on the country as a whole or any relation to being English or not. And there I'm is your answer. The economics of football is that people aren't willing to shell out very much to watch the Football League on TV but they are for the Premiership. I know the response will always be that the FL develop the players but frankly the Premiership is as happy letting French clubs develop players as they are the Football League. |
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Post by dido on May 10, 2017 18:09:59 GMT
The worst excesses of the Premier League will soon be removed to a Pan-European League - The "cream(?)" is settling at the top of each country's league.
Ideally this will leave home-grown talent to play statistic-free football as we knew it eg Bournemouth/Burnley/Brighton.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:14:03 GMT
Accrington are a poxy nothing club and John Coleman is a whining little twat. the club that refused to die |
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Post by thecuregalore94 on May 10, 2017 21:48:10 GMT
Accrington are a poxy nothing club and John Coleman is a whining little twat. the club that refused to die Obligatory 'oo uhr thay?!' |
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Post by irishrover on May 10, 2017 23:03:13 GMT
The sentiment is admirable but the expression is a good example of the need to remove social media accessing devices from your immediate vicinity after embarking on the 4th pint....... In other words he's on the right lines but the way it has been expressed is poor and has actually allowed the Premier League to win this particular PR battle if you look at their response today. I'd argue that the real crisis football league clubs may be facing in a few years is the consequences of the preimierisation of the football league. Ie. Look how may football league clubs (including us as good a job as they have done) are now owned by overseas owners who are largely in this for the investment value. Clubs like Orient, Blackburn,Coventry, Charlton etc point to what can happen when that goes sour and it's potentially far worse than previous home grown corruption and incompetence because it has the potential to create an army of 'zombie clubs' in which clubs are run into the ground but no pressure can asserted on intransigent owners to sell because the bad PR has no wider consequence for them. That's the real threat to the football league as I see it. Not seen their response today, but the 'real' response, the one from the heart rather than the head, came yesterday, and it was 'shut up or we'll do all we can to shut you up'. If it took a few pints to get Accys Chairman to say what we all know to be the truth then, good, is what I reckon. Guess what PL mouthpiece, if it wasn't for the rampant inflation all through the game and local fans who stay in and watch your 'product' rather than go and see a game at The Crown Ground, the finances of Accy would instantly be swung in a positive direction by far more than the scraps that you throw to us to try to keep us quiet. The PL has been a total disaster for British football, nobody sane would argue, but people still keep handing over their money? Now they have F1 as well, and they aren't done yet, soon it'll be the Euros you'll have to pay to watch, then the World Cup, then the Olympics. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas! Happy holidays! I agree with you but I think that the same mentality is now increasingly leaking downwards in the sense that people are investing in lower league football on the punchers chance that their investment may give them access to PL riches and in a few examples it's come off (I mean who would have thought Bournemouth would be a PL club 10 years ago or even 5 years ago?) but most will not and what happens then? The point is that the intrinsic value of lower league football is increasingly disappearing from the point of view of the people that matter.
To clarify - I have no issue with what the Stanley Chairman said, I just wish that it was a co-ordinated response rather than an outlier howling at the moon in frustration.
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Post by chelt_gas on May 10, 2017 23:09:43 GMT
The media allow clubs to create then capitalise on a brand or identity. Pre-Premier league football clubs were essentially local with an outer-concentric ring of fans from other areas of the country. Sky TV and international media then allowed overseas fans to access football and for the football clubs to access overseas fans.
Football clubs are companies, some have an international consumer base, others less so. Since football is a business and the community element and association is treated as a PR necessity by most clubs, then local game-attending fans are not a priority. Neither are smaller clubs that may be more community focused due to their media reach.
It's a dog-eat-dog world and the Premierleague are being as oppressive as the coca-cola and McDonalds of this world. The big clubs can crush the small clubs much like the Tesco's crush the Butchers, Green Grocers and Pub that has a far greater localised function but cannot compete on economics alone.
As far as I'm concerned Man Utd is no longer an English CLub. They may have their origins in Manchester but they're as English as Kraft-Owned Cadbury who felt no obligation to the community which served them when under a new, foreign regime.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 11, 2017 5:14:32 GMT
The media allow clubs to create then capitalise on a brand or identity. Pre-Premier league football clubs were essentially local with an outer-concentric ring of fans from other areas of the country. Sky TV and international media then allowed overseas fans to access football and for the football clubs to access overseas fans. Football clubs are companies, some have an international consumer base, others less so. Since football is a business and the community element and association is treated as a PR necessity by most clubs, then local game-attending fans are not a priority. Neither are smaller clubs that may be more community focused due to their media reach. It's a dog-eat-dog world and the Premierleague are being as oppressive as the coca-cola and McDonalds of this world. The big clubs can crush the small clubs much like the Tesco's crush the Butchers, Green Grocers and Pub that has a far greater localised function but cannot compete on economics alone. As far as I'm concerned Man Utd is no longer an English CLub. They may have their origins in Manchester but they're as English as Kraft-Owned Cadbury who felt no obligation to the community which served them when under a new, foreign regime. I have no idea of Man Utds community projects,But at the same time someone like Manchester City and Sheikh Mansour has invested loads into sport City and the community. Some of the clubs are also leading the way with sensory rooms for autistic fans. Watch football focus or MOTD and the often have sections on what PL clubs do in their communities There is a lot to dislike about the Premier League, and the money is eye watering, but like players, the nnegative headlines get and attract the most news. |
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Post by strung out on May 11, 2017 7:34:43 GMT
Accrington are a poxy nothing club and John Coleman is a whining little twat. Grow up GasPanic!! |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 11, 2017 8:42:31 GMT
The media allow clubs to create then capitalise on a brand or identity. Pre-Premier league football clubs were essentially local with an outer-concentric ring of fans from other areas of the country. Sky TV and international media then allowed overseas fans to access football and for the football clubs to access overseas fans. Football clubs are companies, some have an international consumer base, others less so. Since football is a business and the community element and association is treated as a PR necessity by most clubs, then local game-attending fans are not a priority. Neither are smaller clubs that may be more community focused due to their media reach. It's a dog-eat-dog world and the Premierleague are being as oppressive as the coca-cola and McDonalds of this world. The big clubs can crush the small clubs much like the Tesco's crush the Butchers, Green Grocers and Pub that has a far greater localised function but cannot compete on economics alone. As far as I'm concerned Man Utd is no longer an English CLub. They may have their origins in Manchester but they're as English as Kraft-Owned Cadbury who felt no obligation to the community which served them when under a new, foreign regime. When you look at the actions of Lewisham Borough council against Millwall recently why would clubs even want to be community minded at any level? At least the Premiership giants have the clout to do good things if they choose to |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 9:15:18 GMT
Not seen their response today, but the 'real' response, the one from the heart rather than the head, came yesterday, and it was 'shut up or we'll do all we can to shut you up'. If it took a few pints to get Accys Chairman to say what we all know to be the truth then, good, is what I reckon. Guess what PL mouthpiece, if it wasn't for the rampant inflation all through the game and local fans who stay in and watch your 'product' rather than go and see a game at The Crown Ground, the finances of Accy would instantly be swung in a positive direction by far more than the scraps that you throw to us to try to keep us quiet. The PL has been a total disaster for British football, nobody sane would argue, but people still keep handing over their money? Now they have F1 as well, and they aren't done yet, soon it'll be the Euros you'll have to pay to watch, then the World Cup, then the Olympics. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas! Happy holidays! I agree with you but I think that the same mentality is now increasingly leaking downwards in the sense that people are investing in lower league football on the punchers chance that their investment may give them access to PL riches and in a few examples it's come off (I mean who would have thought Bournemouth would be a PL club 10 years ago or even 5 years ago?) but most will not and what happens then? The point is that the intrinsic value of lower league football is increasingly disappearing from the point of view of the people that matter.
To clarify - I have no issue with what the Stanley Chairman said, I just wish that it was a co-ordinated response rather than an outlier howling at the moon in frustration.
Look in to how Bournemouth have got to where they are, it hasn't happened because dear old Frank Bruno has swung a big right and got lucky. It's happened because the club has had a plan, has got the 'off field' stuff right, has a brilliant young manager and Demin isn't a chancer in it for the money. The bloke bought a £5m property, and knocked it down to build the one that he actually wanted. I think the example you may have been looking for was Blackpool? I know it's a bit off topic, but surely the EFL shouldn't just sit on their hands whilst a good old League club like Orient is destroyed by its owner? I can't quite see the point of a 'Fit and proper persons' test unless the conduct of the person is also assessed periodically. |
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Post by gooliegas on May 11, 2017 9:44:50 GMT
When Chelsea and others can loan out 40 players it shows how much money they have surplus to their actual playing needs
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Post by bttrsblue on May 11, 2017 12:04:35 GMT
When Chelsea and others can loan out 40 players it shows how much money they have surplus to their actual playing needs Its a business model, like any other business, buy young players/ sign up youth, loan them out (For a fee (if possble)) and get their wages paid. From that you spin a profit over time, add on transfer fees for the players good enough, lose the deadweight, keep the diamonds. Its a good way of making money whilst casting a larger net over potential talent especially foreign talent, who may not be eligible for UK visas etc. If you think Chelsea is bad - check on Juventus's yearly incoming/ outgoing transfer deal - it will blow your mind! As for the premier league, i consume it like i do any other form of entertainment, which is what it is. Never realised; and i'm quite amazed about the difference in funds to Championship clubs compared to L1 and L2. And i presume those figures dont include parachute payments. |
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