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Post by Igitur on May 7, 2017 13:13:19 GMT
What's the betting, Blackburn on a snowy freezing cold Tuesday night in October - see you there???!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 13:15:59 GMT
Blackburn relegated despite winning away.Harry saves Brum' at Ashton where Snakey was subbed.Blackburn very badly run club since the new owners sacked Big Sam. Must be a 'Last day of the season' thing with Turncoat. Stats from today's game; 1982 Ltd, 20 attempts, 1 on target. Maybe they should have tried to get Lee Brown to sell his soul for a few pieces of silver instead?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 7, 2017 15:57:22 GMT
Never nice to see a BRFC relegated.
Walking around Accrington over the past few years is gonna seem weird them and Blackburn in same mickey mouse competition next season?!
I've been there before, a couple of times, but for the younger generation, this might seem a trip to the stars.
I hope we give them more than a game both times..
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Post by darloGAS on May 7, 2017 17:27:19 GMT
"I read the news today, oh boy, four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire . . .
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Post by harrybuckle on May 7, 2017 17:30:26 GMT
"I read the news today, oh boy, four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire . . . I read the news today, oh boy About a lucky man who made the grade And though the news was rather sad Well I just had to laugh I saw the photograph. He blew his mind out in a car He didn't notice that the red lights had changed A crowd of people stood and stared They'd seen his face before Nobody was really sure If he was from the House of Lords. I saw a film today, oh boy The English army had just won the war A crowd of people turned away But I just had to look Having read the book I'd love to turn you on.
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Post by Igitur on May 7, 2017 17:35:56 GMT
Blackburn relegated despite winning away.Harry saves Brum' at Ashton where Snakey was subbed.Blackburn very badly run club since the new owners sacked Big Sam. National League play -off final.FGR V Tranmere. At least 'arry is going to get paid as that was the self-imposed condition he took the job: no survival no pay.
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Post by Igitur on May 7, 2017 19:30:18 GMT
Bradford 5th and Millwall 6th in the final, such are the playoffs. Millwall 9 points behind 3rd place Scunthorpe.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 19:42:32 GMT
Bradford 5th and Millwall 6th in the final, such are the playoffs. Millwall 9 points behind 3rd place Scunthorpe. Would you sooner have an automatic place 3rd and no playoffs? I wouldn't. Teams start the season knowing if they finish 3rd they'll playoff against 6th.
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Post by crater on May 7, 2017 19:49:36 GMT
Bradford 5th and Millwall 6th in the final, such are the playoffs. Millwall 9 points behind 3rd place Scunthorpe. Spare a thought for Kidderminster. Lost today to Chorley who finished 6th and only qualified for the play offs as 5th placed Darlington didn't have the required number of seats to have a ground deemed suitable enough for the national league
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Post by bloogas on May 7, 2017 22:35:30 GMT
Assume Millwall had another biased ref today.,.
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Post by Igitur on May 8, 2017 9:07:21 GMT
Bradford 5th and Millwall 6th in the final, such are the playoffs. Millwall 9 points behind 3rd place Scunthorpe. Would you sooner have an automatic place 3rd and no playoffs? I wouldn't. Teams start the season knowing if they finish 3rd they'll playoff against 6th. No, quite enjoy watching playoffs as there is so much on them. What I think is 'fair' would be a rule that if, as in our case, a 3rd place team is say over 10 points ahead of 4th then it should go up automatically (that will not happen, because of so many games becoming dead rubbers and loss of TV money) or that team should play third from bottom of the Champs. Remember in the early playoffs one team from the league above joined three from the league below and Scotland have had a similar system. You could argue that if a team is say 10 points ahead then it should be able to easily beat 6th, but performance over a season should be measured not one offs.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 9:34:50 GMT
Would you sooner have an automatic place 3rd and no playoffs? I wouldn't. Teams start the season knowing if they finish 3rd they'll playoff against 6th. No, quite enjoy watching playoffs as there is so much on them. What I think is 'fair' would be a rule that if, as in our case, a 3rd place team is say over 10 points ahead of 4th then it should go up automatically (that will not happen, because of so many games becoming dead rubbers and loss of TV money) or that team should play third from bottom of the Champs. Remember in the early playoffs one team from the league above joined three from the league below and Scotland have had a similar system. You could argue that if a team is say 10 points ahead then it should be able to easily beat 6th, but performance over a season should be measured not one offs. I don't like the 10 points idea, too arbitrary. I think there is merit in the relegation/promotion playoff but overall I think its a worse idea than the current system, as you're potentially rewarding a poor team from the higher division at the expense of a decent team from the lower division. Who's interest is that in? Would anyone say it works well in Scotland? Ultimately, if you finish third in League One by 30 points or by a single goal scored, you haven't earned the right to automatic promotion.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 8, 2017 10:10:16 GMT
Would you sooner have an automatic place 3rd and no playoffs? I wouldn't. Teams start the season knowing if they finish 3rd they'll playoff against 6th. No, quite enjoy watching playoffs as there is so much on them. What I think is 'fair' would be a rule that if, as in our case, a 3rd place team is say over 10 points ahead of 4th then it should go up automatically (that will not happen, because of so many games becoming dead rubbers and loss of TV money) or that team should play third from bottom of the Champs. Remember in the early playoffs one team from the league above joined three from the league below and Scotland have had a similar system. You could argue that if a team is say 10 points ahead then it should be able to easily beat 6th, but performance over a season should be measured not one offs.
You could do something like they do in Rugby
6th v 5th, winner v 4th, winner v 3rd at Wembley, all one of matches with home ‘advantage’ to the highest placed team (Wembley excepted of course)
Some would say it doesn’t benefit the 3rd place team having that rest (although you are trying to reward them for finishing higher) whilst the other team has momentum, but then it isn’t uncommon for the team that sneaks into the play-offs late to do well as they are in form anyway. (us for instance last time we went up to the 3rd)
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 8, 2017 10:21:14 GMT
Seems our season finished yonks ago whereas Carlisle etc could still have three games to go.Our lads were gearing up for Vegas this time last year.Few of those players who went no longer on the books.
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Post by irishrover on May 8, 2017 11:17:35 GMT
No, quite enjoy watching playoffs as there is so much on them. What I think is 'fair' would be a rule that if, as in our case, a 3rd place team is say over 10 points ahead of 4th then it should go up automatically (that will not happen, because of so many games becoming dead rubbers and loss of TV money) or that team should play third from bottom of the Champs. Remember in the early playoffs one team from the league above joined three from the league below and Scotland have had a similar system. You could argue that if a team is say 10 points ahead then it should be able to easily beat 6th, but performance over a season should be measured not one offs. I don't like the 10 points idea, too arbitrary. I think there is merit in the relegation/promotion playoff but overall I think its a worse idea than the current system, as you're potentially rewarding a poor team from the higher division at the expense of a decent team from the lower division. Who's interest is that in? Would anyone say it works well in Scotland? Ultimately, if you finish third in League One by 30 points or by a single goal scored, you haven't earned the right to automatic promotion. I honestly think that the current system works very well. You finish 3rd and you gain an advantage of playing at home in the second leg and, in theory, playing the weakest team in the playoffs. That strikes me as fair enough. I'm not sure why finishing 3rd/4th particularly deserves any special privileges. I've always found the relegation/promotion playoffs to be a bit underwhelming. Over the course of the season a side played sufficiently badly to enter the relegation zone - seems to me as if they deserve to get relegated rather than given a second chance. More turnover of promotion and relegation is a good thing I think.
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Post by warehamgas on May 8, 2017 18:24:25 GMT
Whatever system you have it has to be simple to understand. The Scottish where they involve the team 1 from bottom isn't good why should the team that comes in the bottom two have another chance to avoid relegation. Like igitur I remember when they did that early on in the Football League play offs. I don't like the play offs because to me it goes against all fairness as the team that finished 3rd should go up. But they've introduced the playoffs to avoid meaningless matches, to increase the excitement and as a way to increase money and income for the clubs. So we have to put up with them and I suspect younger fans will like them for all the reasons we know about. And all 92 league clubs start the season in August knowing if they finish in the top 6, or top 7 in league 2, they will be in with a chance. We all know where we stand so we have to put up with it. And in the end I guess if we get in the playoffs in 6th place and get promotion we love them and accept them. If we were 3rd and miss out we would say "over the season we were the better team the playoffs are unfair." I loved them in 2007! UTG!
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Post by Igitur on May 8, 2017 19:18:12 GMT
Great discussion. My thought about the 3rd in the league below playing third from bottom team of the league above should mean that the team going up is better if it wins than the other, albeit over a short playoff. It's difficult, but to me the clubs going up should be better than the teams coming down.
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Post by warehamgas on May 8, 2017 21:03:59 GMT
Great discussion. My thought about the 3rd in the league below playing third from bottom team of the league above should mean that the team going up is better if it wins than the other, albeit over a short playoff. It's difficult, but to me the clubs going up should be better than the teams coming down.Yes I agree I think you're right to want that. But I wonder if in today's day and age of players moving about so much whether that is the case as much as it was 20/30 years ago. Sometimes the personnel changes so much that teams change so much from one season to the next. We've been quite unusual over the past three years insofar as we've not changed much. With the transfer windows as they are and players rarely staying long In one club I think clubs change very quickly. In some cases the team going up isnt always better than the team coming down. This season I think about the Middlesbrough/ Newcastle swap, the Wigan / Bolton swap and probably some others that don't come immediately to mind. Im not sure that in those case the better team was in the higher division. Some clubs that go down change their teams so much that they are better than the teams that have replaced them. I guess some of the teams seem to be real yo-yo clubs, Norwich, Chesterfield spring to mind. Although I don't like the innate unfairness of the play offs I accept that they are exciting, they create meaningful matches and they are here to stay. In the end I guess that's what makes football so exciting and unpredictable. In the end I think the only thing that you can say with certainty is that from August to May these teams were the better because they were promoted whether ''tis fair or not. It's like any play off final, as we found out, I didn't really care how we played or how lucky or unlucky we were, it doesn't matter. It is all about the result, pure and simple. I'd rather be rubbish but get a refs bad decision or an unfair penalty and win, that's all that matters in those situations. UTG!
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Post by DudeLebowski on May 8, 2017 23:30:09 GMT
The football league play offs is f**king amazing viewing. As a neutral anyway.
That'll be all.
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Post by harrybuckle on May 9, 2017 8:07:26 GMT
Great discussion. My thought about the 3rd in the league below playing third from bottom team of the league above should mean that the team going up is better if it wins than the other, albeit over a short playoff. It's difficult, but to me the clubs going up should be better than the teams coming down.Yes I agree I think you're right to want that. But I wonder if in today's day and age of players moving about so much whether that is the case as much as it was 20/30 years ago. Sometimes the personnel changes so much that teams change so much from one season to the next. We've been quite unusual over the past three years insofar as we've not changed much. With the transfer windows as they are and players rarely staying long In one club I think clubs change very quickly. In some cases the team going up isnt always better than the team coming down. This season I think about the Middlesbrough/ Newcastle swap, the Wigan / Bolton swap and probably some others that don't come immediately to mind. Im not sure that in those case the better team was in the higher division. Some clubs that go down change their teams so much that they are better than the teams that have replaced them. I guess some of the teams seem to be real yo-yo clubs, Norwich, Chesterfield spring to mind. Although I don't like the innate unfairness of the play offs I accept that they are exciting, they create meaningful matches and they are here to stay. In the end I guess that's what makes football so exciting and unpredictable. In the end I think the only thing that you can say with certainty is that from August to May these teams were the better because they were promoted whether ''tis fair or not. It's like any play off final, as we found out, I didn't really care how we played or how lucky or unlucky we were, it doesn't matter. It is all about the result, pure and simple. I'd rather be rubbish but get a refs bad decision or an unfair penalty and win, that's all that matters in those situations. UTG! 13 debutants last season and 33 different players used 21 debutants and 30 players used 2015/16 19 debutants and 28 players used 2014/15 (Conference) so DC has signed 53 new players many loanees during his time as manager. Just 15 of those contracted so far for next season.
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