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Post by Igitur on Apr 15, 2017 10:10:04 GMT
There's no doubt our away form has been bad and cost us at least a PO spot, but why can a team whose home form is so good be so poor away?
The home record is: W12 D6 L3 F38 A22, while away it is: W5 D6 L11 F24 A40. It's the same squad.
This blight is not only true for Rovers, and some teams play better away.
I've asked an ex-professional, but he could not provide a reason.
Is it too simple to say DC is more defensive away and so the goals do not come? Do players genuinely not travel well, but most teams stay in a hotel for long distance fixtures? Do players feel more comfortable at home and confidence is higher? Do teams raise their game playing us - hardly? Do we try too hard and get nervous? Have managers sussed us?
I've looked at it from all directions for some time and am at a loss.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 15, 2017 10:24:50 GMT
It's easy to look back with hindsight and say what if?
But, as an example, for the love of dc, I will never understand the Charlton away team selection...(?) And even more baffling, we went 1-0 up! (?)
So have gleefully no idea why home/away form is inconsistent..
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 15, 2017 10:36:14 GMT
Too many changes, Too gung ho, No striker , Not willing to hang on for a point and hope we score a goal.Changing a winning side. Any of these.
I think the main problem was together with the above overall
First half season - Awful defence and goalkeeper but Taylor to score goals
Second half season - Defence sorted but no striker to score the goals.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 15, 2017 10:44:46 GMT
I don't know and as I wasn't there yesterday I can't say too much. The only loss away I've seen this season was at Scunthorpe on the opening day. Then I felt DC wasn't too defensive but the opposite, too attacking. When Scunthorpe equalised he changed and I thought he tried to get the winner. Instead we were too open in midfield and they strolled straight through to get two late goals. We could have got a draw but went for the win and lost out imo. From reading about yesterday did we also go for the win at 1-1, understandably, and lose again? Beginning of last season we couldn't win at home and kept on winning away then it changed. Sure it will change again and the manager will say something along the lines of we made a few changes but nothing major is different. I suspect a forward who scores might make a big difference!
UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 11:37:39 GMT
Too many changes, Too gung ho, No striker , Not willing to hang on for a point and hope we score a goal.Changing a winning side. Any of these. I think the main problem was together with the above overall First half season - Awful defence and goalkeeper but Taylor to score goals Second half season - Defence sorted but no striker to score the goals. None of that explains why we're better at home than away! To be honest I think the OP has covered it, its a combination of all the things he mentions, plus familiarity with surroundings, home support, confidence etc. Personally my preference would be to set up the same way as we do at home, but there must be a reason why we don't. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 12:47:15 GMT
Too many changes, Too gung ho, No striker , Not willing to hang on for a point and hope we score a goal.Changing a winning side. Any of these. I think the main problem was together with the above overall First half season - Awful defence and goalkeeper but Taylor to score goals Second half season - Defence sorted but no striker to score the goals. I agree with the second half: the first half, though, isn't that the mix that delivers the good as well as the bad (Gung ho, not willing to hang on)? We're 5th in the home table, 15th away. Incidentally, Millwall are 2nd and 10th, and Rochdale 3rd and 13th. www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england3Is an alternative take that we had 4 or 5 underwhelming, bafflingly disappointing performances (which all happened to be away)? Is stamping that out the issue? |
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Post by strung out on Apr 15, 2017 13:31:25 GMT
The chat about our away from does baffle me somewhat.
In English football for 5 years between 10/11 and 14/15, games were won by the home team 43% of the time, the away team 30% of the time and ended in a draw 29% of the time. Rovers form this season is to win 23% of our away matches, drawing 27% of them, losing 50% of them. That counts as a pretty much bang average away record, give or take a few percentage points.
Our home form on the other hand is far better than the average, with us losing only 14% of our home matches, compared to a national average of 30%, winning 57% against a national average of 43%.
Yes, our away form is worse than we need to properly challenge for the play offs in this division, but fine margins could easily see it come right again next season. It's not a disastrous set of stats and is pretty unremarkable for a team hovering around mid to upper mid table.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:47:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 14:56:16 GMT
The chat about our away from does baffle me somewhat. In English football for 5 years between 10/11 and 14/15, games were won by the home team 43% of the time, the away team 30% of the time and ended in a draw 29% of the time. Rovers form this season is to win 23% of our away matches, drawing 27% of them, losing 50% of them. That counts as a pretty much bang average away record, give or take a few percentage points. Our home form on the other hand is far better than the average, with us losing only 14% of our home matches, compared to a national average of 30%, winning 57% against a national average of 43%. Yes, our away form is worse than we need to properly challenge for the play offs in this division, but fine margins could easily see it come right again next season. It's not a disastrous set of stats and is pretty unremarkable for a team hovering around mid to upper mid table. Just my observations is it because we only seem to be able to play well against sides that like to get the ball down and play whereas those sides who are a bit more physical and direct cause us problems.Isa it a mental weakness in the team,management constant changes in personnel and tactics or a combination of all of these,it cannot be coincidence that 7 of our away defeats have been against sides in the bottom 9,in effect those fighting to survive? I don't know which of my theories is correct but I am sure someone will tell me |
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Post by Igitur on Apr 15, 2017 15:02:40 GMT
The chat about our away from does baffle me somewhat. In English football for 5 years between 10/11 and 14/15, games were won by the home team 43% of the time, the away team 30% of the time and ended in a draw 29% of the time. Rovers form this season is to win 23% of our away matches, drawing 27% of them, losing 50% of them. That counts as a pretty much bang average away record, give or take a few percentage points. Our home form on the other hand is far better than the average, with us losing only 14% of our home matches, compared to a national average of 30%, winning 57% against a national average of 43%. Yes, our away form is worse than we need to properly challenge for the play offs in this division, but fine margins could easily see it come right again next season. It's not a disastrous set of stats and is pretty unremarkable for a team hovering around mid to upper mid table. Fair enough, but to get into the POs or a promotion spot requires to be more than average, and as the stats show our home form is way ahead, but we are below average away by those stats and again to be in top place we have to be above average. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 15:09:51 GMT
The chat about our away from does baffle me somewhat. In English football for 5 years between 10/11 and 14/15, games were won by the home team 43% of the time, the away team 30% of the time and ended in a draw 29% of the time. Rovers form this season is to win 23% of our away matches, drawing 27% of them, losing 50% of them. That counts as a pretty much bang average away record, give or take a few percentage points. Our home form on the other hand is far better than the average, with us losing only 14% of our home matches, compared to a national average of 30%, winning 57% against a national average of 43%. Yes, our away form is worse than we need to properly challenge for the play offs in this division, but fine margins could easily see it come right again next season. It's not a disastrous set of stats and is pretty unremarkable for a team hovering around mid to upper mid table. That's the nub, isn't it? Away from home we're bang average, at home we're all-conquering. Why? |
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Post by strung out on Apr 15, 2017 16:04:55 GMT
I agree, it's important to find out what we're doing so right at home and try to replicate those performances away if we want to get into the play offs next season. Speculation about that is fun and interesting!
I guess my point was just that we're not massively underperforming away from home relative to other teams, it's not a disaster and probably a few small changes in tactics, personnel and performance levels will see us challenging even better next season. Easier said than done, admittedly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 16:41:28 GMT
Considering it all in general, of course, it evens out. It could be, however, that there are lots of 'a bit better at home' and a few 'hugely better away' teams. 'Milton Keynes' as that site calls them (I think I approve) are 23rd in the home table and 8th in the away table. From our perspective, though, Padstow's 7 out of 9 away defeats to teams in the bottom 9 is probably pertinent.
Just to reiterate, though, we've had a good season and this 'focusing on the downs' is just trying to isolate what to tweak for next season.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 15, 2017 16:41:56 GMT
I agree, it's important to find out what we're doing so right at home and try to replicate those performances away if we want to get into the play offs next season. Speculation about that is fun and interesting! I guess my point was just that we're not massively underperforming away from home relative to other teams, it's not a disaster and probably a few small changes in tactics, personnel and performance levels will see us challenging even better next season. Easier said than done, admittedly. Its an interesting topic. I think as fans when we moan about our teams away form (and that is a general our for all fans) that our away form is no worse than many other teams. Only 1 team wins the league and everyone else filters down. Every team cant have great home and away form Over the years and how ever many games we have all seen at home, how oftem do have do you see away teams set up to keep it tight, not lose, make it hard for the home team. I think most teams are generally more cautious away from home, but if that plan goes wrong early, its harder to come back |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 18:35:47 GMT
The lads are super sad when they know they can't bang a sporty pizza 40 minutes after a game and it effects their performance.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Apr 17, 2017 7:50:22 GMT
In the early 80s we had some awesome players* and an incredible home record, but our away record was poor. Eastville and the Mem are very small pitches and peculiar places to play, maybe the home advantage is more significant than we realise. The 1990 team ground out innumerable 1-0 away wins. But yeah, poor defence in the first half and no fox in the box in the second half.
*except Cashley
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 17, 2017 10:27:52 GMT
I listened to an ex-footballer talking about this yesterday. An injury put paid to his Utd career and he ended up at Plymouth under Pulis. The discussion drifted from Pulis's boring style to Liverpool's knack of beating top teams but not being able to raise their game against the bottom clubs. He said it was the same at Plymouth when they were a Championship club and he put it down to the players not having the same mental build-up in the week prior to a game against a lesser club. They looked forward to the big games in a totally different way and didn't need motivating at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 10:50:40 GMT
An injury put paid to his Utd career... Cambridge, Carlisle, Colchester, Hartlepool, Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle, Oxford, Peterborough, Rotherham, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Southend, Telford, Torquay, Welling, or West Ham? |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 17, 2017 11:33:46 GMT
Not saying but there's only one Utd at the top of the all-time football league wins table :-)
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Post by irishrover on Apr 24, 2017 0:52:15 GMT
The chat about our away from does baffle me somewhat. In English football for 5 years between 10/11 and 14/15, games were won by the home team 43% of the time, the away team 30% of the time and ended in a draw 29% of the time. Rovers form this season is to win 23% of our away matches, drawing 27% of them, losing 50% of them. That counts as a pretty much bang average away record, give or take a few percentage points. Our home form on the other hand is far better than the average, with us losing only 14% of our home matches, compared to a national average of 30%, winning 57% against a national average of 43%. Yes, our away form is worse than we need to properly challenge for the play offs in this division, but fine margins could easily see it come right again next season. It's not a disastrous set of stats and is pretty unremarkable for a team hovering around mid to upper mid table. Just my observations is it because we only seem to be able to play well against sides that like to get the ball down and play whereas those sides who are a bit more physical and direct cause us problems.Isa it a mental weakness in the team,management constant changes in personnel and tactics or a combination of all of these,it cannot be coincidence that 7 of our away defeats have been against sides in the bottom 9,in effect those fighting to survive? I don't know which of my theories is correct but I am sure someone will tell me I'm not convinced it's necessarily any of those things based on what I've seen. We don't seem to get consistently outmusculed and I don't think tactics make all that much difference or the same would apply for home games. I do think that we lack a bit of pace in the squad though and that we struggle to offer a consistent counter attacking threat in games where the opposition try to impose themselves. |
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