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Post by warehamgas on Feb 9, 2018 9:42:07 GMT
It didn’t though did it, quite the opposite. We were wingless wonders and essentially played an early form of 442. I would love to see WM, a team in heavy boots and a heavy ball, all a stone overweight and fags and beer and a pie meal before the game. We can finally put to rest that old football was just as good as modern. Any game I watch pre about 87ish is just painful to watch. Blimey, this post has taken this thread in a different direction! Sorry but that is rubbish! Football is great in any era and to think that football “pre about 87ish is just painful to watch” is just arrogant nonsense. Pretty sure there’s enough posters on here to have seen some fantastic games. True, it won’t have had the conning of refs, the diving, the falling over, the self-importance of PL players and many other aspects of modern football but to think football then was painful to watch is just wrong. Have it as an opinion but don’t peddle it as fact! UTG!
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Post by dido on Feb 9, 2018 9:53:49 GMT
Not forgetting, Wareham: tattoos, hairstyles, gloves, rainbow boots/slippers, snoods, choreographed celebrations, image rights, media teams,....(others can add more, I'm sure).
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 9, 2018 18:41:43 GMT
Football was a British sport pioneered and dominated by British players.
At every attempt, the Europeans and Latin countries have tried to eliminate any advantage from physicality because were better at it. Low and behold we have World Cup winners who were too small for football back in the day. Stitched up.
I wouldn’t be surprised if changing to the EFL, far from anglocentric arrogance, is the continuation of this anti British trend. Let’s face it, we defeated all their armies repeatedly, colonised the globe. You can’t blame them.
Prob one of the conditions of some funding thing, stripping us of the football league thing was probably a concession of some sort.
Also, the folks running big football are the same running big business - they probably share the pro EU stance and this is part of helping the average Briton think we’re just another country like Belgium or Portugal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 18:48:45 GMT
Football was a British sport pioneered and dominated by British players. At every attempt, the Europeans and Latin countries have tried to eliminate any advantage from physicality because were better at it. Low and behold we have World Cup winners who were too small for football back in the day. Stitched up. I wouldn’t be surprised if changing to the EFL, far from anglocentric arrogance, is the continuation of this anti British trend. Let’s face it, we defeated all their armies repeatedly, colonised the globe. You can’t blame them. Prob one of the conditions of some funding thing, stripping us of the football league thing was probably a concession of some sort. Also, the folks running big football are the same running big business - they probably share the pro EU stance and this is part of helping the average Briton think we’re just another country like Belgium or Portugal. So the checkatrade trophy is part of a global football conspiracy backed by the eu against britain? Back in the day there were plenty of small players by the way.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 9, 2018 19:05:06 GMT
I enjoy reading your posts usually Gregory but blimey what the heck.... Answer1: I guess you are right in that globalisation means that all national leagues now are not really national but international and with that we get all the influences from all over the world and perhaps they are better at cancelling out our advantages than we are at using them. And calling it the EFL may well be a result of some kind of nationalism and getting away from a British-centric view. But defeating all these armies and colonising the world can’t have been too much of a stretch considering we had guns and they had spears! The people running football now see it as a money-making operation and so do think we’re just another country like Belgium and Portugal or another investment opportunity. In a way we are, but we’re just not as good as they are at football.
Answer 2: What the heck has that post got to do with saying “Any game I watch pre about 87ish is just painful to watch?”
UTG!
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Post by Rex on Feb 9, 2018 19:27:33 GMT
Football was a British sport pioneered and dominated by British players.
At every attempt, the Europeans and Latin countries have tried to eliminate any advantage from physicality because were better at it. Low and behold we have World Cup winners who were too small for football back in the day. Stitched up. I wouldn’t be surprised if changing to the EFL, far from anglocentric arrogance, is the continuation of this anti British trend. Let’s face it, we defeated all their armies repeatedly, colonised the globe. You can’t blame them. Prob one of the conditions of some funding thing, stripping us of the football league thing was probably a concession of some sort. Also, the folks running big football are the same running big business - they probably share the pro EU stance and this is part of helping the average Briton think we’re just another country like Belgium or Portugal. Until everyone else started playing it.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 10, 2018 7:52:48 GMT
I enjoy reading your posts usually Gregory but blimey what the heck.... Answer1: I guess you are right in that globalisation means that all national leagues now are not really national but international and with that we get all the influences from all over the world and perhaps they are better at cancelling out our advantages than we are at using them. And calling it the EFL may well be a result of some kind of nationalism and getting away from a British-centric view. But defeating all these armies and colonising the world can’t have been too much of a stretch considering we had guns and they had spears! The people running football now see it as a money-making operation and so do think we’re just another country like Belgium and Portugal or another investment opportunity. In a way we are, but we’re just not as good as they are at football. Answer 2: What the heck has that post got to do with saying “Any game I watch pre about 87ish is just painful to watch?” UTG! We WERE good until the skill set required was changed, via rule changes, from strength which favours Northern Europeans, to speed and skill, which favours smaller players. Since FIFA was ruled by central and Southern Europeans, we’ve seen rule changes which almost prohibit tackling. International and European football has almost outlawed the sliding tackle, and the open disdain for English long ball football is pretty open. Sepp wouldn’t even admit football is a British game. As for the armies, I am talking about the armies of Europe who we defeated near constantly for 1000 years. Also, at times purely because we wanted independence from roman rule, to the extent they sent an armada to return us to papal rule, which we defeated. No wonder once again a lot of them don’t want us leaving Europe. I strongly suspect that the fact we could proudly boast we can be the FL, because we were the first and invented association football rankles with Europe and changing to the EFL, to achieve parity, has something to do with that. Why would you give up that crown Jewell? This wasn’t anything to do with the pre 87 football thing. Note I don’t even consider myself a nationalist. I have nothing to do with anything. I was just born here. The agenda I can see though, I was born English and it feels that identity is something which is being messed with for reasons unknown. We have inaccurate history taught in schools and on TV, and it’s because some people have an agenda to “progress” and change our views and identity. I just resent that, I don’t want to cheat beat over a Union Jack.
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Post by Rex on Feb 10, 2018 8:19:45 GMT
I enjoy reading your posts usually Gregory but blimey what the heck.... Answer1: I guess you are right in that globalisation means that all national leagues now are not really national but international and with that we get all the influences from all over the world and perhaps they are better at cancelling out our advantages than we are at using them. And calling it the EFL may well be a result of some kind of nationalism and getting away from a British-centric view. But defeating all these armies and colonising the world can’t have been too much of a stretch considering we had guns and they had spears! The people running football now see it as a money-making operation and so do think we’re just another country like Belgium and Portugal or another investment opportunity. In a way we are, but we’re just not as good as they are at football. Answer 2: What the heck has that post got to do with saying “Any game I watch pre about 87ish is just painful to watch?” UTG! We WERE good until the skill set required was changed, via rule changes, from strength which favours Northern Europeans, to speed and skill, which favours smaller players. Since FIFA was ruled by central and Southern Europeans, we’ve seen rule changes which almost prohibit tackling. International and European football has almost outlawed the sliding tackle, and the open disdain for English long ball football is pretty open. Sepp wouldn’t even admit football is a British game. As for the armies, I am talking about the armies of Europe who we defeated near constantly for 1000 years. Also, at times purely because we wanted independence from roman rule, to the extent they sent an armada to return us to papal rule, which we defeated. No wonder once again a lot of them don’t want us leaving Europe. I strongly suspect that the fact we could proudly boast we can be the FL, because we were the first and invented association football rankles with Europe and changing to the EFL, to achieve parity, has something to do with that. Why would you give up that crown Jewell? This wasn’t anything to do with the pre 87 football thing. Note I don’t even consider myself a nationalist. I have nothing to do with anything. I was just born here. The agenda I can see though, I was born English and it feels that identity is something which is being messed with for reasons unknown. We have inaccurate history taught in schools and on TV, and it’s because some people have an agenda to “progress” and change our views and identity. I just resent that, I don’t want to cheat beat over a Union Jack. The Hungarians gave us a good going over in the early 50s, I don't think that was down to any rule changes, although it could well have been because of our insular attitude that it was 'our' game and we couldn't learn anything from it, hence no participation in the first couple of World Cups. As for our armies, you do realise the French beat us pretty comprehensively in 1066, we're all foreigners now
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 10, 2018 8:28:43 GMT
We WERE good until the skill set required was changed, via rule changes, from strength which favours Northern Europeans, to speed and skill, which favours smaller players. Since FIFA was ruled by central and Southern Europeans, we’ve seen rule changes which almost prohibit tackling. International and European football has almost outlawed the sliding tackle, and the open disdain for English long ball football is pretty open. Sepp wouldn’t even admit football is a British game. As for the armies, I am talking about the armies of Europe who we defeated near constantly for 1000 years. Also, at times purely because we wanted independence from roman rule, to the extent they sent an armada to return us to papal rule, which we defeated. No wonder once again a lot of them don’t want us leaving Europe. I strongly suspect that the fact we could proudly boast we can be the FL, because we were the first and invented association football rankles with Europe and changing to the EFL, to achieve parity, has something to do with that. Why would you give up that crown Jewell? This wasn’t anything to do with the pre 87 football thing. Note I don’t even consider myself a nationalist. I have nothing to do with anything. I was just born here. The agenda I can see though, I was born English and it feels that identity is something which is being messed with for reasons unknown. We have inaccurate history taught in schools and on TV, and it’s because some people have an agenda to “progress” and change our views and identity. I just resent that, I don’t want to cheat beat over a Union Jack. The Hungarians gave us a good going over in the early 50s, I don't think that was down to any rule changes, although it could well have been because of our insular attitude that it was 'our' game and we couldn't learn anything from it, hence no participation in the first couple of World Cups. As for our armies, you do realise the French beat us pretty comprehensively in 1066, we're all foreigners now 1066 was fluke!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 8:35:27 GMT
Remind me in which part of South America Germany is located.
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Post by dido on Feb 10, 2018 8:40:45 GMT
To summarise: "English football was peerless pre-1987. But unwatchable."
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 10, 2018 8:50:58 GMT
To summarise: "English football was peerless pre-1987. But unwatchable." You are not welcome on this thread
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Post by Rex on Feb 10, 2018 9:09:03 GMT
The Hungarians gave us a good going over in the early 50s, I don't think that was down to any rule changes, although it could well have been because of our insular attitude that it was 'our' game and we couldn't learn anything from it, hence no participation in the first couple of World Cups. As for our armies, you do realise the French beat us pretty comprehensively in 1066, we're all foreigners now 1066 was fluke! That really did make me smile! How old are you btw? I'm 53 and have no memory of England ever really being that good, I was still in a pram for 66 and have only very vague memories of Mexico 1970 and there was the constant non qualification disappointments for the rest of the decade ,although to be fair to those teams, qualification was still an actual achievement then rather than the cakewalk it is today. Any time after that we seemed to have been over hyped -while still mocking the Scots for it in 78- only for our frailties to have been exposed once we got to play anyone half decent. It is only in the last couple of tournaments that it seems to have dawned on most fans that actually we are pretty average, maybe now we have accepted that we have turned a corner?
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 10, 2018 9:11:08 GMT
This thread has perked up , it made me chuckle! Great responses! 😂😂 UTG!
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 10, 2018 9:30:14 GMT
That really did make me smile! How old are you btw? I'm 53 and have no memory of England ever really being that good, I was still in a pram for 66 and have only very vague memories of Mexico 1970 and there was the constant non qualification disappointments for the rest of the decade ,although to be fair to those teams, qualification was still an actual achievement then rather than the cakewalk it is today. Any time after that we seemed to have been over hyped -while still mocking the Scots for it in 78- only for our frailties to have been exposed once we got to play anyone half decent. It is only in the last couple of tournaments that it seems to have dawned on most fans that actually we are pretty average, maybe now we have accepted that we have turned a corner? My memories are of 90s football when we were good. When teams like Spain and barca dominate with their 5 foot 7 players given full protection from any beastly tackles, while diving on contact, you have to admit the game has been changed to their benefit. Iniesta wouldn’t have made it in 90s. Players like Gaza and shearer did. I think it was deliberate - as Xavi said, our game borrows from rugby, theirs from basketball. However, the world, outside of a small clique of med and Latin countries are absolutely clear which they prefer, with the Football league being the most exported on planet Earth. Plus, do you remember how many times we got cheated - hand of god, sol Campbell’s goal, Rooney kicked off the pitch then red carded when he lost his temper. What about when UEFA fixed the 2009 semi final, Chelsea were not getting a pen that night because they didn’t want 2 vonsequetive all English finals. Barca knew, they knew no penalty would be given, otherwise they wouldn’t have hacked and hand balled so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 9:41:49 GMT
This anti English conspiracy theory is nuts. The fact is that the national side have been good in world cups twice outside of England, Mexico and Italy.
Domestically, the teams win the occasional European trophy, usually with a very high percentage of gifted foreign players: another reason why the Premiership is so popular.
As for Xavi and Iniesta, those two could have played in any era. They're quite simply 2 of the greatest football players of all time. (My opinion blah blah blah)
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 10, 2018 10:05:36 GMT
This anti English conspiracy theory is nuts. The fact is that the national side have been good in world cups twice outside of England, Mexico and Italy. Domestically, the teams win the occasional European trophy, usually with a very high percentage of gifted foreign players: another reason why the Premiership is so popular. As for Xavi and Iniesta, those two could have played in any era. They're quite simply 2 of the greatest football players of all time. (My opinion blah blah blah) Despite half of their game being falling over? Cheating is 50% of European football. It’s a choice between fouling and cheating. I’d prefer honest fouling to sneaky cheats. Rolling around in agony, it’s pathetic!
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Post by Rex on Feb 10, 2018 10:26:13 GMT
This anti English conspiracy theory is nuts. The fact is that the national side have been good in world cups twice outside of England, Mexico and Italy. Domestically, the teams win the occasional European trophy, usually with a very high percentage of gifted foreign players: another reason why the Premiership is so popular. As for Xavi and Iniesta, those two could have played in any era. They're quite simply 2 of the greatest football players of all time. (My opinion blah blah blah) Despite half of their game being falling over? Cheating is 50% of European football. It’s a choice between fouling and cheating. I’d prefer honest fouling to sneaky cheats. Rolling around in agony, it’s pathetic! That Michael Owen knew how to dive mind
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Post by dido on Feb 10, 2018 10:31:23 GMT
At least Dele Alli and Harry Kane are not English........ Doh!
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Post by Rex on Feb 10, 2018 10:32:49 GMT
That really did make me smile! How old are you btw? I'm 53 and have no memory of England ever really being that good, I was still in a pram for 66 and have only very vague memories of Mexico 1970 and there was the constant non qualification disappointments for the rest of the decade ,although to be fair to those teams, qualification was still an actual achievement then rather than the cakewalk it is today. Any time after that we seemed to have been over hyped -while still mocking the Scots for it in 78- only for our frailties to have been exposed once we got to play anyone half decent. It is only in the last couple of tournaments that it seems to have dawned on most fans that actually we are pretty average, maybe now we have accepted that we have turned a corner? My memories are of 90s football when we were good. When teams like Spain and barca dominate with their 5 foot 7 players given full protection from any beastly tackles, while diving on contact, you have to admit the game has been changed to their benefit. Iniesta wouldn’t have made it in 90s. Players like Gaza and shearer did. I think it was deliberate - as Xavi said, our game borrows from rugby, theirs from basketball. However, the world, outside of a small clique of med and Latin countries are absolutely clear which they prefer, with the Football league being the most exported on planet Earth. Plus, do you remember how many times we got cheated - hand of god, sol Campbell’s goal, Rooney kicked off the pitch then red carded when he lost his temper. What about when UEFA fixed the 2009 semi final, Chelsea were not getting a pen that night because they didn’t want 2 vonsequetive all English finals. Barca knew, they knew no penalty would be given, otherwise they wouldn’t have hacked and hand balled so much.The worrying this is I think you actually believe that! I can think of a few times decisions didn't go England's way, although I suspect we have benefited from 'wrong' decisions as well. Some might even say we cheated our way to the World Cup win! I think people tend to remember when they feel cheated and conveniently forget the times they may have benefited from cheating.
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