warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 31, 2017 1:41:16 GMT
Part of the problem is that Harvey will swear something bad is good and will, with his PR background, ignore the bad stuff and convince himself that it is good. It is the responsibility of the owners to stop this at the next EFL AGM. He will put his own spin on it and keep doing that until someone stops him.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 2, 2017 16:34:54 GMT
74,434 to see the final.
I'm disappointed.
So many true fans of all entrant's boycotted this event all the way through.
How ironic, the fans that boycott their own clubs' home matches on a mass scale, turn up equally en masse to see their team win a trophy that vast waves of loyal supporters have gone out their way not to support?!
This world has gone crazy!
Bring back our proper competition ffs..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:46:18 GMT
I don't think anyone's saying that there shouldn't be a competition with a final at Wembley - just that the means of getting there are wrong. You might as well pull names out of a hat and people would turn up for the day out.
I think the key staistic is 'Average attendances up to and including the semi-finals fell to 1,404 (from 3,221 in 2015-16).' It always was the 'no-one cares until the semi finals cup' and they've made it worse. If you're designing a competition for professional football clubs, that staistic has to be a key criterion for it. Getting light headed that someone who played against Charlton later played in the League Cup final is bizarre (and insulting to Charlton).
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Apr 4, 2017 15:01:22 GMT
Steve Hamer was saying what a shame it was that something like Norwich u-21s didn't play Wolves u-21s in the final. That would have killed off this approach permanently! He is suggesting only EFL teams with the group stage in a regional basis, so we'd play teams like Bristol City(!!), Cheltenham. Yeovil and Exeter then revert to the knockout format. Not sure if other chairmen are of the same mind, as the prize money provided by the Premier League is way higher than it's ever been previously, so the smaller clubs are probably in favour of repeating this format. For what it's worth, I boycotted the Reading u-21 game, but watched the Yeovil game and would have gone to Wembey had we got that far, but would not have watched any further games against u-21 teams. (I recall Stoke u-21 included the ever-youthful Peter Crouch in one of their games!)
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on May 12, 2017 10:23:18 GMT
Two thirds of EFL clubs have voted to retain last season's format, for two more seasons, with some tinkering:
From OS: KEY FORMAT CHANGES include:
EFL team selection criteria amended to allow increased flexibility for League One and League Two Clubs;
An increase in the total competition fund to £3 million;
Each group will continue to contain one invited under 21 team with the remainder made up of EFL Clubs from either League One or League Two. Groups will be formed to minimise overall travel time for EFL Clubs and fans;
Invited under 21 teams will play their Group games away from home;
Regionalisation until the Quarter-Final stage (improved from Round Two in 2016/17) to minimise overall travel time for Clubs and fans;
Flexibility of fixture dates to allow teams to schedule games outside of international weeks;
As part of the proposals, the selection criteria for invited under 21 teams will remain as ‘six players from the starting 11 must be under the age of 21 as at 30 June 2017.’
Rovers voted against keeping the new format, but will accept the changes and get on with it.
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Post by Igitur on May 12, 2017 10:31:27 GMT
Some wag pinned up this in one of my work places, but it was removed quite quickly!
In the beginning was the Plan.
And then came the Assumptions.
And the Assumptions were without form
And the Plan was completely without substance.
And the darkness was upon the faces of the Workers.
And they spake unto their Group Heads, saying:
“It is a Crock of s***, and it stinketh.”
And the Group Heads went unto their Section Heads, and sayeth:
“It is Pail of Dung, and none may abide the odor thereof.”
And the Section Heads went unto their Managers, and sayeth unto them:
“It is a Container of Excrement, and it is very strong, such that none here may abide by it.”
And the Manager went unto their Directors, and sayeth unto them:
“It is a Vessel of Fertilizer, and none may abide its strength.”
And the Directors went unto their Executive Administrator, and sayeth:
“It contains That Which Aids Plant Growth, and it is very strong.”
And the Executive Administrator went unto the Board of Directors, and sayeth unto them:
“This powerful new Plan will actively promote the growth and efficiency of the department, and this area in particular.”
And the Chairman looked upon the Plan,
And saw that it was good. And the Plan became Policy.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 12, 2017 10:37:42 GMT
A bit suspicious they won't publish which club voted for which agenda.
So EFL can make up whatever % they like.
It was always gonna happen, especially as only a handful voted for tho format last year and it was bulldozed through.
At least it saves me a few quid attending next couple of seasons 😊
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basel
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Post by basel on May 12, 2017 11:35:06 GMT
Harvey should be sacked.
I won't be attending any of these games.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 11:39:59 GMT
Bollocks to it.
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Teigngas
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Post by Teigngas on May 12, 2017 14:06:18 GMT
Did last year not teach them anything?
Is it even remotely possible that 2/3's of clubs voted for it considering the losses that must have been made by all clubs?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 14:13:14 GMT
Scabs and people chasing money win again then.
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Rex
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Post by Rex on May 12, 2017 17:17:41 GMT
It will save me some cash, I won't attend any of the games, including the final if we got there (Although I hope that the players would manage to throw any game that might get us there).
I was disappointed that we had home attendances over 1,000 for this last season, hopefully we will see a record low crowd for any home ties this time. Is it possible for the club just to open one stand for a game?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 18:12:04 GMT
Did last year not teach them anything? Is it even remotely possible that 2/3's of clubs voted for it considering the losses that must have been made by all clubs? An increase in the total competition fund to £3 million; They're being paid to give a run-out to Reading Reserves.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 12, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
It will save me some cash, I won't attend any of the games, including the final if we got there (Although I hope that the players would manage to throw any game that might get us there). I was disappointed that we had home attendances over 1,000 for this last season, hopefully we will see a record low crowd for any home ties this time. Is it possible for the club just to open one stand for a game? The south West stand?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 22:04:13 GMT
Clubs' supporters should try to outdo each other, competing for the lowest EFL Trophy attendance in each and every round.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 12, 2017 22:21:58 GMT
There should be a prize for the lowest attendance!
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shakes
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Post by shakes on May 13, 2017 2:23:43 GMT
Did last year not teach them anything? Is it even remotely possible that 2/3's of clubs voted for it considering the losses that must have been made by all clubs? An increase in the total competition fund to £3 million; They're being paid to give a run-out to Reading Reserves. It's all about agendas. Supporters, sponsors, chairman and the regulators all gave their own agendas, who wins comes down to power and money which supporters are last in the queue. As soon as clubs can play b teams, under 23's as well as their main team in the football league period then we have reached the stage where the integrity of the sport is lost.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 15, 2017 23:18:19 GMT
We should not have been MADE to boycott games ? No one made me doing anything. I just didn't want to go and watch what has become a meaningless match or matches. This is a farce and to try to dress it up any other way is just wrong. I'm sure fans will continue to not go, not out of reasons of boycott but due to finances and picking the games that we feel offer more entertainment and are more important to us. The JPT was already looked down upon with many calling it the tinpot cup but at least it gave real competition and I don't think any of us didn't enjoy Wembley Needs to be read as only for those who chose not to go as a way of demonstrating, yet felt they should be supporting the team. The final we were in was at Cardiff. Leyland Daf at Wembley, if you want pedantry
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on May 16, 2017 7:31:11 GMT
Needs to be read as only for those who chose not to go as a way of demonstrating, yet felt they should be supporting the team. The final we were in was at Cardiff. Leyland Daf at Wembley, if you want pedantry The JPT was already looked down upon with many calling it the tinpot cup but at least it gave real competition and I don't think any of us didn't enjoy Wembley Can't get my comment below the line, but I see your pedantry and raise you a non sequitur, perhaps we should just call it the EFL Trophy - anyway not worth wasting any more bytes, Best wishes Igitur
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GasMacc1
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Post by GasMacc1 on May 16, 2017 7:57:30 GMT
Dear Sir,
Am I alone in regretting the introduction of the term "EFL"? From 1888, the organisation was named "The Football League". It stayed that way, through two World Wars, for 128 years.
What next? The founder of The Football League, William McGregor, to be henceforth known as BillyMac?
In another complete lack of feeling for the integrity of the game, The Football League Chief Executive Shaun Harvey, said:
"The new EFL name rightly emphasises the central role our clubs play at the heart of English professional football. In an increasingly challenging global sports market, it is absolutely essential that sports properties can project a modern identity that not only resonates with their regular audience but is also easily recognisable to a broader audience of potential fans, viewers and commercial partners. We believe the EFL name and brand will give our competitions an identity that is new and distinct, while at the same time retaining our unique heritage. As such, it will be something that all fans can identify with - whether they be young or old, at home or abroad".
I don't think it's Anglocentric arrogance to maintain the original name. It made me smile to think that other leagues had to include their nation's name in the title of their organisation, whereas we just knew what was meant by "The Football League". In coining "EFL", we've lost another piece of diversity in the headlong rush to uniformity and standardisation.
Oh, for a latter-day Alan Hardaker!
Yours in irritation,
GasMacc1.
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