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Post by Peter Parker on Mar 24, 2017 0:13:14 GMT
in general unallocated seating away from home should be ok where there is plenty of room. However we know why stands are netted off, ostensibly so ot is easier to steward and people are strung out across a big stand. With unallocated seating the same would happen anyway as already does. Some will get there early pick a good seat and other will turn up just before kick off trying to squeeze 3 people into 2 seats. If we get to the championship or the prem and we actually have a finite number of seats are we going to have the same problems every other week? Where allocated is concerned, you can open the turnstiles at 1:30, have the first 10 people walk in, decide to choose their spot wherever they like and the whole arrangement for 4000 people has gone to s***. For me, sell your allocation, sit where you like. Last season at Pompey for example, I was in the away end by 2:15, it was a free for all wherever you wanted to be. I was faced with 4 blokes who waltzed in bang on kick off claiming I was 'in their seat'. Thankfully everyone was standing anyway so it was a non issue. I'm totally generalising here, but does it seem like those who only go to the 'big away games' are more anal about sitting where their ticket states, allocated or otherwise? In my experience, probably. I.dont disagree necesssrily with if you sell your allocation sit where you like, but as I say you will always get people come in just before kick off (normally with a few sherberts in board) and want ti squeeze in where they want next to people they know or trying to get 3 into 2 as they dont want to split up. Its not allocated or unallocated that is the problem per se, but either the stewarding not direciting you to the right seats and making sure you sit there like you would and any venur anywhere else not football or football fans that think they can stroll in at the last minute and act suprised there arent many seats left when they know there is a big following
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 0:17:44 GMT
I for one will find it hard to sit down for 90 minutes no chance proper seat no problem if we can stand at Portsmouth then why not at Coventry you cannot make somebody sit when they don't want to it isn't the law. It's a condition of sale, so you sign up to it when you buy a ticket. That concept is 'the law'. So sit down. Portsmouth FC had all manner of problems relocating from an old ground, ahead of having other things to worry about, so they are still at said old ground, which has standing areas. The Ricoh is not an old ground pending relocation, so doesn't have standing. That's why you can stand at Portsmouth, but not at Coventry. Pretty simple, really. Bet you're kicking yourself now. Probably missing the point, but Fratton Park is all seated.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 24, 2017 0:31:37 GMT
in general unallocated seating away from home should be ok where there is plenty of room. However we know why stands are netted off, ostensibly so ot is easier to steward and people are strung out across a big stand. With unallocated seating the same would happen anyway as already does. Some will get there early pick a good seat and other will turn up just before kick off trying to squeeze 3 people into 2 seats. If we get to the championship or the prem and we actually have a finite number of seats are we going to have the same problems every other week? Where allocated is concerned, you can open the turnstiles at 1:30, have the first 10 people walk in, decide to choose their spot wherever they like and the whole arrangement for 4000 people has gone to s***. For me, sell your allocation, sit where you like. Last season at Pompey for example, I was in the away end by 2:15, it was a free for all wherever you wanted to be. I was faced with 4 blokes who waltzed in bang on kick off claiming I was 'in their seat'. Thankfully everyone was standing anyway so it was a non issue. I'm totally generalising here, but does it seem like those who only go to the 'big away games' are more anal about sitting where their ticket states, allocated or otherwise? In my experience, probably. No - I think it's just to do with the fact that this is only really ever going to be a relevant issue at games in which we have a large following - in other words 'big games'.
What happens is that in a home game people will gravitate to the stand/area that fits their preferences for watching the game (sit, stand, loud, quieter, family, swearing/non-swearing etc) and in sparsely populated away ends you can find a little niche that replicates that. But when everyone is thrown together it can create problems because people actually watch football and support their club in very different ways.
Personally, I like unallocated seating for exactly the reason above - it allows for a certain natural split between different types of fans to emerge. But the problem is that it is reliant on the 'not being a twat' rule being upheld by people and too often that seems beyond most. Ie. You can't show up 2 minutes before the start and expect to take your 'normal place' in the middle of the fans. Unallocated seats means first come first serve, so if you turn up late then tough, you don't get the same choice as those who turn up early and maybe you don't get to be next to your usual crew. If people were happy with that compromise then that would be fine but in reality they never are. But it's a sad fact that in the last 2/3 seasons I've seen more 'trouble' at Rovers away games between Rovers fans over seating arrangements than I have any other kind of incident.
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Post by cockinthecup on Mar 24, 2017 1:35:35 GMT
I like to stand for 90 minutes at matches. So do a fair few other people. Being a considerate sort, that means that I tend to try and get a seat near the back with the other people who are going to be standing up because I don't wish to block the view of someone who doesn't feel the same way. This means I almost always end up in the 'wrong' seat.
Personally I think this tends to sort itself out naturally anyway. The noisy people who want to stand at the back, others at the front and sides. If someone insists I move, I do and go somewhere else that isn't 'my' seat. I rarely get asked twice and you usually know when someone's too shy to ask.
Either way, it isn't a big deal. Silly sods
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Mar 24, 2017 6:55:23 GMT
As someone who arrives 5 minutes before kick off I've never been precious about 'my seat' and just head to wherever appears to have the most spare seats, so it certainly isn't me and my mates arriving 5 mins before kick off causing these issues. Which seems to me that it is the sanctimonious twats arriving early and pinching someone else's seat.
I've also never at an away ground upon entering the seating area and had a steward look at my ticket and direct me to my seat. If clubs want to enforce, what is an unnecessary rule, then they need to facilitate it with stewards pointing out everyone's seat. Ain't going to happen is it.
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Post by Rex on Mar 24, 2017 7:22:14 GMT
I don't actually care whether it's allocated or unallocated, although I have seen on countless occasions problems with unallocated when there is a large away following and people can't find anywhere to sit as you tend to be left with lots of single seats dotted all over the place. However if a club state before a game that it will be allocated seating, then surely it's just easier all round to comply with that. Whenever I have watched Celtic away, it is always allocated seating and it never seems to be an issue, if we start to take large numbers of supporters away on a regular basis then I'm afraid we had better get used to it .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 7:33:36 GMT
This thread is a bit depressing as it reminds me why I enjoyed the Conference season so much. As much as I want to see the team do well, promotions have meant that I dont enjoy the match day experience and go to less games,in fact the games that I most enjoy are the friendlies. I think that if someone started an FC Rovers of Bristol at the bottom of the pyramid I would be much happier going to those games.
As for sitting in an allocated seat,you could say its common sense but then so is not speeding,not driving in a bus lane,not parking in the wrong place,all things that tens of thousands of people do every single day,still doesnt make it right though. I dont like sitting but I also dont stand in front of anyone so that they cant see (even shorter people when everyone stands) Bury was perfect we just headed to the back and stood,to me the common sense approach is those who want to stand go to the back those who want to sit go to the front,but that is not going to happen because its not a perfect world.
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Post by tanksfull on Mar 24, 2017 7:40:10 GMT
I like to stand for 90 minutes at matches. So do a fair few other people. Being a considerate sort, that means that I tend to try and get a seat near the back with the other people who are going to be standing up because I don't wish to block the view of someone who doesn't feel the same way. This means I almost always end up in the 'wrong' seat. Personally I think this tends to sort itself out naturally anyway. The noisy people who want to stand at the back, others at the front and sides. If someone insists I move, I do and go somewhere else that isn't 'my' seat. I rarely get asked twice and you usually know when someone's too shy to ask. Either way, it isn't a big deal. Silly sods The problem is though that not only do "you" want to stand but "you" also want to stand in the best position, with the best view, at the back in the middle! Why shouldn't someone who wants to sit have the best seats and those who want to stand go to the sides? No, "you" want to have your cake and eat it and push everyone else into having a worse view than "you".
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Post by scotsgas on Mar 24, 2017 8:17:33 GMT
Well done The Safety Officer for suggesting all ticket. The highest away following at Coventry this season is Oxford at just over 2k. So imagine the chaos when they prepare for around 2k then 4K turn up all expecting to be at the entrance at 5 to 3 and still see the kickoff.
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Post by tanksfull on Mar 24, 2017 8:36:43 GMT
Where allocated is concerned, you can open the turnstiles at 1:30, have the first 10 people walk in, decide to choose their spot wherever they like and the whole arrangement for 4000 people has gone to s***. For me, sell your allocation, sit where you like. Last season at Pompey for example, I was in the away end by 2:15, it was a free for all wherever you wanted to be. I was faced with 4 blokes who waltzed in bang on kick off claiming I was 'in their seat'. Thankfully everyone was standing anyway so it was a non issue. I'm totally generalising here, but does it seem like those who only go to the 'big away games' are more anal about sitting where their ticket states, allocated or otherwise? In my experience, probably. No - I think it's just to do with the fact that this is only really ever going to be a relevant issue at games in which we have a large following - in other words 'big games'.
What happens is that in a home game people will gravitate to the stand/area that fits their preferences for watching the game (sit, stand, loud, quieter, family, swearing/non-swearing etc) and in sparsely populated away ends you can find a little niche that replicates that. But when everyone is thrown together it can create problems because people actually watch football and support their club in very different ways.
Personally, I like unallocated seating for exactly the reason above - it allows for a certain natural split between different types of fans to emerge. But the problem is that it is reliant on the 'not being a twat' rule being upheld by people and too often that seems beyond most. Ie. You can't show up 2 minutes before the start and expect to take your 'normal place' in the middle of the fans. Unallocated seats means first come first serve, so if you turn up late then tough, you don't get the same choice as those who turn up early and maybe you don't get to be next to your usual crew. If people were happy with that compromise then that would be fine but in reality they never are. But it's a sad fact that in the last 2/3 seasons I've seen more 'trouble' at Rovers away games between Rovers fans over seating arrangements than I have any other kind of incident.
And their lies the main, if not only problem, at away games. The noisy, rowdy ones want to push their way into the best "seats" in the middle at the back. If they went to the side it might resolve most issues. After all they are the only ones who, generally, want to be together, often come in late and change seating allocation if there is any. Most other people, at away games, can find their preference in a civilised manner.
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 24, 2017 8:47:46 GMT
Seating is a safety issue you cant demand to standup on an aeroplane/train/coach. Some have little regard for other peoples safety and enjoyment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 9:16:24 GMT
Seating is a safety issue you cant demand to standup on an aeroplane/train/coach. Some have little regard for other peoples safety and enjoyment. Rubbish, it's a control issue. I've never caught a train I couldn't choose to stand up on?
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 24, 2017 9:46:16 GMT
Seating is a safety issue you cant demand to standup on an aeroplane/train/coach. Some have little regard for other peoples safety and enjoyment. Rubbish, it's a control issue. I've never caught a train I couldn't choose to stand up on? Good luck standing n a plane or coach!
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Post by Gashead on Mar 24, 2017 10:04:13 GMT
Seating is a safety issue you cant demand to standup on an aeroplane/train/coach. Some have little regard for other peoples safety and enjoyment. When the stand starts belting down the motorway or flying at hundreds of mph maybe the comparison will work
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Post by simonj on Mar 24, 2017 10:04:58 GMT
I bought some seats for my family to watch Bristol Rugby - I convinced them that we had decent seats and not to worry and let me have another beer. When we went to our seats, we discovered the wings of this s**tty stadium were unallocated, even though seat numbers were on the ticket. We had to go near the back and out very wide, pissed me off. I am for getting the seat you buy. We are lucky with standing at the mem. I do however find it impossible to keep sat when the attack is on.
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Post by Peter Parker on Mar 24, 2017 10:16:20 GMT
I bought some seats for my family to watch Bristol Rugby - I convinced them that we had decent seats and not to worry and let me have another beer. When we went to our seats, we discovered the wings of this s***ty stadium were unallocated, even though seat numbers were on the ticket. We had to go near the back and out very wide, pissed me off. I am for getting the seat you buy. We are lucky with standing at the mem. I do however find it impossible to keep sat when the attack is on. Even standing becomes an issue sometimes when crowds are big.
on a normal crowd I can stay in the bar til 2.40 and get my usual spot, but If I know the crowd is going to be big I go in a bit earlier.
At the back end of last season when we were pushing for promotion, people rocked up their normal time and then are a) surprised someone has take 'their space' and then tried squeezing past loads of people to get where they wanted Allocated seating or unallocated seating is only part of the issue, the lack of common sense is the main one, but then football and some football fans dont seem to work on the same rational plain as the outside world
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Post by 1883 on Mar 24, 2017 10:31:25 GMT
I for one will find it hard to sit down for 90 minutes no chance proper seat no problem if we can stand at Portsmouth then why not at Coventry you cannot make somebody sit when they don't want to it isn't the law. Well, if you stand up in front of me and block my view you will feel my wrath believe me. Now when we are attacking or score that would be acceptable as long as you sit down again afterwards. And who said the fun has gone out of watching football?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:32:28 GMT
Supporters who attended Bury on a Tuesday night (3-0 defeat) will be allowed to sit where they like.
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Post by Blue Mist on Mar 24, 2017 10:37:07 GMT
Im 6'4 have big hair and like to stand and if the bars open probably go for a piss about 4 times during the match. I also like a pie. Now If seats were unallocated I could plonk myself out of harms way eating my pie or you could move. I hope non of you are allocated a seat behind or next to me; look out for a tall, big haired, small bladdered pie eating twat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:58:16 GMT
Well if we slip back into league 2 and crowds go down we wont fill our away allocation and will be able to sit anywhere we like which will be great. If on the other hand we progress to the championship and play against much bigger clubs we will get allocated seating for away matches which will be enforced and would be terrible.
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