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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 19, 2017 13:11:23 GMT
Bristol were in trouble long before we bought half the ground. Part of the reason a deal was done to bring us back to Bristol as they needed/wanted the money
Rovers didnt run tthe Rugby club badly they had to consider selling the site.
Once the deal was done, the Rugby club was still badly managed and they were allowed to keep matchday income IIRC.
Lansdown saved The Rugby many years later. If it wasnt for Rovers and City, Bristol Rugby would be playing at Clifton in whatever equates to lower league Rugby.
The Rugby club were always offered the chance to stay at the redeveloped Mem and at UWE, but obviously SL wouldnt be having that. Nasty Rovers offering them a chance to be part of nice new facilities.
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Post by basel on Feb 19, 2017 13:24:56 GMT
Too late to have kept the schweinhund but for the future then good.I like this "gentlemans agreement".
Hope they keep to it.Honour is at stake.Although when considering these events are very rare,the chances are by time it could happen again,both clubs may have different owners.
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Post by bs5 on Feb 19, 2017 13:44:47 GMT
Look forward to Sept all you like. While I do not believe in LJ being the right man to take us forward, we will be playing a division above you again (how many years in a row is that now....now THAT is embarrassing for you). Oh and your former best player will be scoring for us in the championship. Bookmark that prediction.... Not really embarrassing for us being the top half of league 1 with our recent history and subsequent playing budget, our futures bright with ambitious new owners whereas yours is littered with duff managerial and player appointments and squilluons of wasted cash lol all off which come the beginning of August could see you in the exact same level as us , truth is you know this and that's why your pathetic posts smack that of a rabbit caught in car headlights - truth hurts my fine and funky friend
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 13:50:57 GMT
Sprout's right. There's a lot of revisionism and reordering of history going on in some quarters.
The RFC screwed up the move to professionalism. It was going bust. Their only option was to sell the ground. Maybe an alternative might have been to sell it to, say, a supermarket. Then what? By choosing to sell it to us, they selected their best option, and were able to carry on. There were no guns to any heads as they were offered -and accepted - a lifeline. Any retrospective self-pity about the state they were in and who they were glad to fall back on is head-in-the-sand nonsense. Commentary on it from elsewhere is just white noise.
BTW: Why don't people just ignore the daft irritant from another club? There's no point to him or her. OldlandGlover, for example: sensible guy, happy to engage. This other knob, though, and his obsessive attention seeking by repeatedly typing vacuous crap on another club's forum, is just bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:07:44 GMT
Sprout's right. There's a lot of revisionism and reordering of history going on in some quarters. The RFC screwed up the move to professionalism. It was going bust. Their only option was to sell the ground. Maybe an alternative might have been to sell it to, say, a supermarket. Then what? By choosing to sell it to us, they selected their best option, and were able to carry on. There were no guns to any heads as they were offered -and accepted - a lifeline. Any retrospective self-pity about the state they were in and who they were glad to fall back on is head-in-the-sand nonsense. Commentary on it from elsewhere is just white noise. BTW: Why don't people just ignore the daft irritant from another club? There's no point to him or her. OldlandGlover, for example: sensible guy, happy to engage. This other knob, though, and his obsessive attention seeking by repeatedly typing vacuous crap on another club's forum, is just bizarre.The thing is Seth, none of them come on here, it would be great if a few did and we could have some proper conversation, of course it would get mixed it with plenty of banter and a fair bit of teasing, but I think Kaiser has had plenty of time, the problem is, he's getting worse, not better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:39:10 GMT
Bristol were in trouble long before we bought half the ground. Part of the reason a deal was done to bring us back to Bristol as they needed/wanted the money Rovers didnt run tthe Rugby club badly they had to consider selling the site. Once the deal was done, the Rugby club was still badly managed and they were allowed to keep matchday income IIRC. Lansdown saved The Rugby many years later. If it wasnt for Rovers and City, Bristol Rugby would be playing at Clifton in whatever equates to lower league Rugby. The Rugby club were always offered the chance to stay at the redeveloped Mem and at UWE, but obviously SL wouldnt be having that. Nasty Rovers offering them a chance to be part of nice new facilities. [ You're right there is no question the rugby club has been run poorly historically and been in dire straits more than once. I think it's a really good thing that they under the Bristol Sport banner for both the football and rugby clubs now. The rugby club because it will soften the blow of relegation - because they just aren't going to catch Worcester. And for City because it helps us get around FFP with shared admin costs etc. The rugby club is a shambles no doubt on the field. If I wasn't in Tenerife this weekend I would have thought of going the short drive up the M1 to watch them yesterday but it's all got a resignation feel about it particularly without Tom Varndell. Btw never understood those on here who want them to do poorly purely because they play at AG. They represent Bristol the city. Not BCFC.
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Post by matealotblue on Feb 19, 2017 14:48:54 GMT
Look forward to Sept all you like. While I do not believe in LJ being the right man to take us forward, we will be playing a division above you again (how many years in a row is that now....now THAT is embarrassing for you). Oh and your former best player will be scoring for us in the championship. Bookmark that prediction.... Cassey. There have been lots of calls for you to be blocked from posting on this forum, I've jumped straight in every time and said that you should be welcomed as it's always good to have an alternative point of view. However, all you seem to be able to do now is post opinion then when challenged ignore the questions. If all you have to offer is to try to stir things up and then not be able to back up any of your points then you probably ought to find somewhere else to do it. Come on, back up your assertion that Bristol Rovers were responsible for what happened to Bristol Rugby, or apologise for the accusation.Don't look like it.....
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2017 14:49:55 GMT
And I can tell you from personal - well company experience - that a gentlemans agreement relating to employment of people means the square root of f all in legal terms. Well Charlie, one thing we all know about the teds and especially SL is that he'll stoop to lower than a badgers nads to try to get what he wants. You've often said you were too young for the 82 shame but it's something that won't go away and you're owner is a bitter turncoat who is no gentleman. If he had not had the fortuity to get into the business he did & only ran the club, he'd be an outright failure, owing many millions. Imagine spending close to 100 million to be in another relegation dogfight. You're normally a level headed fella who obviously has a high ranking job but I fear your prejudice has clouded your views
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 19, 2017 14:50:42 GMT
And I can tell you from personal - well company experience - that a gentlemans agreement relating to employment of people means the square root of f all in legal terms. Does that relate to 8folks whom tore their contracts up in '82 ? ....and still remain uncompensated while some of you think it's ok to lord it on purse strings of someone else? They don't call you Sh*t for nothing, you've earned that in last 35years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:57:07 GMT
And I can tell you from personal - well company experience - that a gentlemans agreement relating to employment of people means the square root of f all in legal terms. Well Charlie, one thing we all know about the teds and especially SL is that he'll stoop to lower than a badgers nads to try to get what he wants. You've often said you were too young for the 82 shame but it's something that won't go away and you're owner is a bitter turncoat who is no gentleman. If he had not had the fortuity to get into the business he did & only ran the club, he'd be an outright failure, owing many millions. Imagine spending close to 100 million to be in another relegation dogfight. You're normally a level headed fella who obviously has a high ranking job but I fear your prejudice has clouded your views Jools as you and I have discussed both on here and on twitter there were mistakes made at the club no question. I mean my dad and granddad went from watching the team beat Liverpool in a top division league game to playing Darlington in the bottom division in a couple of seasons. That doesn't happen without shameful mismanagement somewhere. I just don't feel the need to re state that each time, you know full well my thoughts on it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2017 14:57:15 GMT
Given your history of agreements with the rugby club we'll likely keep a careful watch on it. You'll find us a different proposition to shafting I'm afraid 👍 Oh dear oh dear. How you love a myth but anything to try to avoid the 1982 shame and crapping on players and many local businesses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:59:55 GMT
However I genuinely do believe Steve Lansdown to be a decent chap. I think this in the way he has handled dealings at the club, the time he gives managers (too long this time but that's another subject) but also from what I have heard from friends of my mother who are friends with him and his wife socially.
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Post by womble on Feb 19, 2017 15:00:46 GMT
He's absolutely right though. You literally drove Bristol Rugby club to the wall and stole their ground from under them. So desperate were you to have a home after your nomadic existence for a decade plus, you left morals at the door and shafted the club that took you in. Deny it all you like, I found it appalling. I speak there as a fan of the rugby club. At the risk of repeating what others have already said, you appear to be hopelessly misinformed. The rugby club made a complete hash of the transfer to professionalism. As people on the rugby forms have said, the initial professional contracts were actually cricket contracts, with all the references to cricket tippexed out. In 1986 when they were still amateur, the rugby club had no interest in having us as tenants and we finished up in Bath. By 1996 when they were losing money hand over fist, we were a very welcome source of income. Two years later things were becoming desperate as the link below will confirm. www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby-union-bristol-prepare-to-sell-in-order-to-survive-1292253.htmlA deal was prepared for the ground to be sold to Amtrak's pension fund for £2.3m with both teams remaining as tenants. Rovers offered the same amount for a 50% share in a holding company formed to own the Memorial Ground. As is well documented, either party could buy the remaining 50% for £10,000 if the other team entered administration - thereby guaranteeing its future. With money still being lost at an uncontrolled rate, the chairman Arthur Holmes, the main creditor, put the rugby club into administration. By this time the rugby club had already sold an option on its training pitch, to a house building company (the newish housing behind the car park). The Combination ground in Filton was also disposed of, leaving the rugby club asset less. While the shambolic on/off move to Cheltenham in 2007 certainly didn't help anyone - it didn't cost the rugby club their ground as they had been tenants for 9 years by then. I think everything I've said is factually correct, but if you can show otherwise, please do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:13:14 GMT
Jools, I'm not sure what the job I hold is to do with it my friend. I held these views when I was a mere s**tkicker on 22 grand per annum. I would hold these views if I was a school cleaner.
I think the football club at AG made errors in 1982 (before my time) and before Lansdown time too. I think Bristol RFC have been poorly run off the field for decades. I believe Bristol Rovers saw an opportunity to get hold of a ground at the expense of the rugby club and that doesn't sit well with me at all.
1982 is not remotely relevant to the rugby discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:13:46 GMT
However I genuinely do believe Steve Lansdown to be a decent. I think this in the way he has handled dealings at the club, the time he gives managers (too long this time but that's another subject) but also from what I have heard from friends of my mother who are friends with him and his wife socially. Make your mind up for goodness sake, 2 hours ago he was ''the right man to take you forward''. I've had to conclude that you are just a troll. Time to ban you I think, you don't add anything other than annoyance.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2017 15:15:01 GMT
Completely unacceptable language, you are an embarrassment to yourself. I happen to agree with the description he made. My views on this subject are absolutely nothing to do with my football club allegiance (though the relationship we have with the rugby club seems much more warm and genuine). My views are as a supporter of Bristol RFC. They were treated utterly disgracefully. To my original point - if there is a gentlemans agreement with - 1. A club that shafted the rugby club out of their own home (to save it from being developed into houses? Funny I seem to recall you were trying to flog the land to a supermarket only last year)... 2. A club that seems to have practices at its supporters club that need the investigations of the police for fraud. 3. A non local owner who enters an agreement with our owner to make no further comment - then less than a week later tells the local radio station what the deal is... Given this deal pretty much only hinders us - as players don't tend to leave a bigger, better, higher quality football club for a much less regarded local so called "rival". Then we are well advised to keep a careful watch on this "agreement"..... Talk to many other football fans then ? You are not regarded well at all. Given the stuff we had to put up with under NH, we still have a lot more love shown. Your lot are very much hated and by many
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:17:56 GMT
Bamber I really don't have time to constantly answer you. Any time I post you attach my posts, you seem to hold a deep seated irrational dislike of the club I support. That's up to you but just lay off the attacks please.
Lee Johnson is not the man to take us forward. We will stay up. Our squad is far too good to go down but we should be top 8 with these players. The reason we are not is because of the mansger and the reason I have stopped going the last 5 weeks. There. That is your answer.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 19, 2017 15:30:26 GMT
I have stopped going the last 5 weeks. There. That is your answer. Don't blame you. I wouldn't go either. Ever. The Mem welcomes you, Kaiser!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 19, 2017 15:36:46 GMT
Jools, I'm not sure what the job I hold is to do with it my friend. I held these views when I was a mere s***kicker on 22 grand per annum. I would hold these views if I was a school cleaner. I think the football club at AG made errors in 1982 (before my time) and before Lansdown time too. I think Bristol RFC have been poorly run off the field for decades. I believe Bristol Rovers saw an opportunity to get hold of a ground at the expense of the rugby club and that doesn't sit well with me at all. 1982 is not remotely relevant to the rugby discussion. Of course it is and because of the way your chosen club like to pretend they are above any wrongdoing and have the moral high ground &, of course, all of you would like to rewrite history so that this wasn't ever mentioned. I find that the best way forward, for me, is to firstly accept my wrongdoings then apologise and try to make right what I can. Own your mistakes & do your best to put them right. I guess though that given SL was a gashead in 82 that he would say, like you, it's nothing to do with him. Given SL's personal wealth then I can't see how it would be seen as a win win situation were he to make some small token to make amends to those who went to the wall and also one of the biggest truisms I've heard and experienced is that one is indeed doubly blessed to give
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 15:39:36 GMT
Bamber I really don't have time to constantly answer you. Any time I post you attach my posts, you seem to hold a deep seated irrational dislike of the club I support. That's up to you but just lay off the attacks please. There is nothing irrational about anybody disliking the club you support. Most of us really fukcing hate them, as the song goes. If you don't like the attention, why do you seek it?
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