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Post by kwoodgas on Nov 22, 2016 22:17:32 GMT
Genuinely think if us and them had swapped keepers before kick off we'd have won the game. As much as I don't like slagging individuals off Roos had an absolute shocker and the January priority has to be a solid keeper with a few 100 games under his belt, but still enough in the tank to last a few years. Basically a mid-late 20s version of Mildy. It might cost us a few quid but boy will it be worth it as Puddy, Speiss, Nicholls and now Roos says it's a position we need to stop messing about in.
Lockyer made some crucial interceptions that stopped it being a lot worse, Gaffney and Lines never stopped running and barring a bit of a mad 10 minute spell in the second half where everything went astray; we generally kept the ball well.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 22, 2016 22:17:44 GMT
We need a defensive coach. Or, if we have one, we need a new one. Not just tonight, which was a total mess, it's becoming a pattern, obvious thing to say I know but we're shipping far too many goals, and it's not as if the opposition have to do anything clever to score, we're just disorganised. For anyone not there tonight, don't listen to anyone who says we were unlucky with deflections etc, the keeper may as well not have turned up, he had a nightmare, we were lucky it was only 5. As a general point, can someone clear up for me, if an attacker is about to tap the ball into an empty net and gets taken out by the keeper, under the new rules, is that a red card? Roos had no protection tonight As for the penalty, that is now the correct punishment as per new rules |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 22:19:04 GMT
We need a defensive coach. Or, if we have one, we need a new one. Not just tonight, which was a total mess, it's becoming a pattern, obvious thing to say I know but we're shipping far too many goals, and it's not as if the opposition have to do anything clever to score, we're just disorganised. For anyone not there tonight, don't listen to anyone who says we were unlucky with deflections etc, the keeper may as well not have turned up, he had a nightmare, we were lucky it was only 5. As a general point, can someone clear up for me, if an attacker is about to tap the ball into an empty net and gets taken out by the keeper, under the new rules, is that a red card? Definite yellow. Blame FIFA. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 22:26:23 GMT
We need a defensive coach. Or, if we have one, we need a new one. Not just tonight, which was a total mess, it's becoming a pattern, obvious thing to say I know but we're shipping far too many goals, and it's not as if the opposition have to do anything clever to score, we're just disorganised. For anyone not there tonight, don't listen to anyone who says we were unlucky with deflections etc, the keeper may as well not have turned up, he had a nightmare, we were lucky it was only 5. As a general point, can someone clear up for me, if an attacker is about to tap the ball into an empty net and gets taken out by the keeper, under the new rules, is that a red card? Roos had no protection tonight As for the penalty, that is now the correct punishment as per new rules Agreed about no protection, but he won't be happy with his own performance. The bigger picture is that it's happened before and it'll keep happening, we need help getting the defence organised. Before anyone starts, that's not a criticism of the manager, most managers will have a goalkeeper coach, a striker coach etc, all I'm saying is that if we don't have a defensive coach then we need one PDQ, if we do have one then we need a new one equally quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 22:30:08 GMT
We need a defensive coach. Or, if we have one, we need a new one. Not just tonight, which was a total mess, it's becoming a pattern, obvious thing to say I know but we're shipping far too many goals, and it's not as if the opposition have to do anything clever to score, we're just disorganised. For anyone not there tonight, don't listen to anyone who says we were unlucky with deflections etc, the keeper may as well not have turned up, he had a nightmare, we were lucky it was only 5. As a general point, can someone clear up for me, if an attacker is about to tap the ball into an empty net and gets taken out by the keeper, under the new rules, is that a red card? Definite yellow. Blame FIFA. Madness, so Leadbitter gets sent off for (alleged) contact outside of the area when the striker still has the keeper to beat and there's a defender coming over to cover, but taking someone's legs from under them when they are about to tap into an empty net is just a yellow? Who makes this stuff up? Not desperate to see players get sent off, but surely this can't be right? |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Nov 22, 2016 22:35:24 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 22:37:18 GMT
Definite yellow. Blame FIFA. Madness, so Leadbitter gets sent off for (alleged) contact outside of the area when the striker still has the keeper to beat and there's a defender coming over to cover, but taking someone's legs from under them when they are about to tap into an empty net is just a yellow? Who makes this stuff up? Not desperate to see players get sent off, but surely this can't be right? You could argue that the incident was actually violent conduct and therefore a red? |
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Post by kwoodgas on Nov 22, 2016 22:37:26 GMT
Definite yellow. Blame FIFA. Madness, so Leadbitter gets sent off for (alleged) contact outside of the area when the striker still has the keeper to beat and there's a defender coming over to cover, but taking someone's legs from under them when they are about to tap into an empty net is just a yellow? Who makes this stuff up? Not desperate to see players get sent off, but surely this can't be right? Probably a debate for another thread, but I've often wondered in handball on the line or when someone is literally chopped down when about to tap into an empty net; if an automatic goal should just be awarded similar to the penalty try in rugby and a yellow for the offender. |
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Post by DudeLebowski on Nov 22, 2016 22:41:18 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window. I actually felt sorry for Roos tonight. The defending was comical from the first minute to the last, he was all on his own out there facing pot shots time and time again. Two goals taking massive deflections, Leadbitter ball watching for the second & throw in that Charlton's forwards had so much time and space to pick their spot come the end it was a joke. Still, quick turn around and a chance to right many wrongs on Saturday. |
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Post by kwoodgas on Nov 22, 2016 22:45:24 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window. Who signed (and resigned) Monty? Who signed Moore? |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Nov 22, 2016 22:48:28 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window. Genuine question - Which goals were Roos' fault tonight? I'll give you a clue, it's the square root of feck all... |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Nov 22, 2016 22:51:30 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window. I actually felt sorry for Roos tonight. The defending was comical from the first minute to the last, he was all on his own out there facing pot shots time and time again. Two goals taking massive deflections, Leadbitter ball watching for the second & throw in that Charlton's forwards had so much time and space to pick their spot come the end it was a joke. Still, quick turn around and a chance to right many wrongs on Saturday. The last 2 seasons have proven that we usually have 1 bad month per season, i'd rather have a bad November than a bad March or April. Steve Yates & Stuart Naylor will have a busy week on the training ground, DC needs to get another body in that midfield, defensively we are to fragile playing a two man midfield. |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Nov 22, 2016 22:53:36 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window. Who signed (and resigned) Monty? Who signed Moore? The man with back to back promotions on his CV, and who never played 4-5-1 every week with Mitch Harding up front. |
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Post by gasheadpirate on Nov 22, 2016 22:54:10 GMT
How about the third and fourth goals for starters. Could not hold the header for the third and for some reason fell below the ball for the forth? Mind you, there were so many poor performances tonight, it is unfair to pick him out especially.
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Post by bs14gas on Nov 22, 2016 22:56:56 GMT
Not sure those who get erect over 4-4-2 will be feeling so buoyant tonight. I can why DC does't like it, the simple fact is that Montano & Moore just aren't consistent enough and quickly becoming not good enough, i'd rather have Monkhouse & Gosling out there tonight. Time is running out for Roos, was really pleased when he was brought in, but his minutes to mistakes ratio is getting to the stage where the only option will be the signing of a new keeper in January. Watching Lockyer as captain reminds me of Parkes during that relegation season, Hartley needs to be given the armband for the rest of the season. Colkett has lost every bit of confidence as doesn't seem to have the personality to get it back, and ultimately i feel there's a dark cloud hanging over the club one i certainly hope is short term, i can't put my finger on what it is, but the silence from Box 1 at the moment is starting to bring back bad memories. Looks like large sections of the squad is going to need major surgery in the January window. Who signed (and resigned) Monty? Who signed Moore? Bad night at the office for sure.wingers more than anyone else need a run of games, but some of the passing was awful. Didn't feel right from the off. Gaffers, lines locks and JCS had decent games, everyone else tried had off night. Charlton decent with good support for midweek. Decent side as well but could still have been 4-4 at half time! Let's get up to Chesterfield and get behind the gas. DC and the players have earnt a bad game or two. One more though......😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:00:16 GMT
No disaster here.
We're out of form, and have shipped goals in two games.
But in a division two above our non league division two years ago.
We'll need to improve greatly at defending in this division.
The third division is a real football division with serious clubs.
Both the conference and the basement division are much poorer.
I always felt we'd have hard time after successive promotions.
Yet we remain a lot closer to playoffs than the drop zone.
In August I would have settled for mid table.
We're mid table now, and can still look up.
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Post by kwoodgas on Nov 22, 2016 23:09:05 GMT
Who signed (and resigned) Monty? Who signed Moore? The man with back to back promotions on his CV, and who never played 4-5-1 every week with Mitch Harding up front. And a relegation out of the football league on his CV. Good to know it's Wael's fault that DC is signing players you deem not good enough, pandering to the fans on formation and picking the wrong captain. All your opinions; as I said I thought we played well tonight and were just undone by shocking goalkeeping on our part and decent goalkeeping on their part. |
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Post by strung out on Nov 22, 2016 23:12:07 GMT
Jake Clarke-Salter's broken his arm
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:21:58 GMT
The man with back to back promotions on his CV, and who never played 4-5-1 every week with Mitch Harding up front. And a relegation out of the football league on his CV. Good to know it's Wael's fault that DC is signing players you deem not good enough, pandering to the fans on formation and picking the wrong captain. All your opinions; as I said I thought we played well tonight and were just undone by shocking goalkeeping on our part and decent goalkeeping on their part. Get a life the relegation is hardly his fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:33:16 GMT
If you make three early changes regularly enough, you will get caught out by an injury. I'm a bit alarmed that Darrell Clarke appeared not to realise that until tonight.
I thought the line up was wrong, two of the substitutions were wrong, the performance of the substitutes was wrong, and Matty Taylor's finishing was all wrong.
Other than that, it wasn't that bad. It shoulve been 2-2 at worst at half time, it wasn't, the third killed the game and the injury made it worse.
1-5 sends a message to the rest of the division, but its how we respond that is important.
Felt for Gaffney, he can't buy a league goal at present and then the keeper robbed him of one. Stupid stupid rule to not punish a foul like that with a red card, but that is the rule and the ref got it right.
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