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Post by eppinggas on Oct 13, 2016 15:44:46 GMT
First point - I think you will find that football is covered by Employment Law. No manager is ever 'sacked' without recompense. They are relieved of their duties and will agree a compensation package (usually a % of what was left on their contract). If they cannot agree an amicable settlement - they of course have the courts to turn to. Given that there is a ceiling of one years gross pay for (as an example) unfair dismissal, they don't tend to end up in Court. Avoiding litigation is sensible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 16:21:05 GMT
2 points to make firstly football does not seem to be covered by employment laws, You are funny sometimes
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 14, 2016 13:09:08 GMT
2 points to make firstly football does not seem to be covered by employment laws,hence the number of sackings seen every season with no apparent disciplinary procedures followed and secondly it was not a whistleblower but a parent complaining his son had been sworn at,bet any 15 year old or over uses worse language in everyday speech than that which AW used Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same.
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Post by davehuddscousin on Oct 14, 2016 21:51:30 GMT
I can't see that the Club are at fault in any way here. There was an allegation which led to Walsh being suspended (presumably on full pay), there was then an investigation and he was cleared and reinstated. The wider question for me is the numbers that have progressed from the youth team to the first team. In rcent years our youth policy has appeared to be a means of providing early training and match practice for players who will play part time in the Western League for years! I'm very pleased that vthe new regime in charge of BRFC are looking seriously at both the youth and under 21 set ups. Perhaps if we can get that right we can get a flow of youth players into the first team like we did when the likes of Holloway, Slatter, and the Jones boys made the grade.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 22:35:33 GMT
I think we've all agreed nothing happened here. Anchor?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 15, 2016 6:08:56 GMT
Perhaps the requirements put on him by the new owners where above what he was capable of achieving and he decided to move on before being asked to leave ?
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 15, 2016 7:16:10 GMT
I can't see that the Club are at fault in any way here. There was an allegation which led to Walsh being suspended (presumably on full pay), there was then an investigation and he was cleared and reinstated. The wider question for me is the numbers that have progressed from the youth team to the first team. In rcent years our youth policy has appeared to be a means of providing early training and match practice for players who will play part time in the Western League for years! I'm very pleased that vthe new regime in charge of BRFC are looking seriously at both the youth and under 21 set ups. Perhaps if we can get that right we can get a flow of youth players into the first team like we did when the likes of Holloway, Slatter, and the Jones boys made the grade. Agreed not too many coming through in recent years except Lockyer,Macey and Santos, the latter two sold on. Hope Broom and Malpass get experience to progress but Lucas, Greenslade and Thomas appear to have no chance
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 10:33:06 GMT
I can't see that the Club are at fault in any way here. There was an allegation which led to Walsh being suspended (presumably on full pay), there was then an investigation and he was cleared and reinstated. The wider question for me is the numbers that have progressed from the youth team to the first team. In rcent years our youth policy has appeared to be a means of providing early training and match practice for players who will play part time in the Western League for years! I'm very pleased that vthe new regime in charge of BRFC are looking seriously at both the youth and under 21 set ups. Perhaps if we can get that right we can get a flow of youth players into the first team like we did when the likes of Holloway, Slatter, and the Jones boys made the grade. Agreed not too many coming through in recent years except Lockyer,Macey and Santos, the latter two sold on. Hope Broom and Malpass get experience to progress but Lucas, Greenslade and Thomas appear to have no chance Greenslade was being courted by clubs from a higher level last year hence his contract extension.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 14:25:36 GMT
2 points to make firstly football does not seem to be covered by employment laws,hence the number of sackings seen every season with no apparent disciplinary procedures followed and secondly it was not a whistleblower but a parent complaining his son had been sworn at,bet any 15 year old or over uses worse language in everyday speech than that which AW used Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same. So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by employment laws
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 16, 2016 15:10:26 GMT
Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same. So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by employment laws I assume the LMA is a union
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 16, 2016 15:27:30 GMT
Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same. So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by employment laws There is a difference between having the rights and exercising them. Of course they have the rights enjoyed by all employees. But if the deal is (in summary) - take this money now or exercise your rights and take us to court to get an unspecified (and possibly lower amount) at some unspecified time in the future. At whatever cost? Think I know where I would go. During which time, whilst involved in litigation, you will possibly be less attractive option to any future employer. Also got to remember that unlike the real world football is an economic basket case at the top level (from where we seem to see most of this played out in the press) so any comparison to where we mere mortals sit is a bit pointless.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 16, 2016 18:03:13 GMT
Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same. So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by employment laws Football managers (and footballers) are generally employed under a fixed term contract not a permanent one. Most will be individually negotiated setting out specific conditions and remedies with respect to the breaking of that contract.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 14:36:41 GMT
But not those working below that level.As an aside take the situation back 12 months how many of those defending the club would have done so if this had occurred under the previous much disliked administration,very few I would guess
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 10:36:46 GMT
But not those working below that level.As an aside take the situation back 12 months how many of those defending the club would have done so if this had occurred under the previous much disliked administration,very few I would guess if higgs had followed exactly the same procedure then again the club wouldve done the right thing higgs WOULDNT have done it right though, - he never did
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Post by captain1883 on Oct 18, 2016 12:16:58 GMT
Walsh is a dinosaur. The boys hated him
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Post by brizzle on Oct 18, 2016 15:27:46 GMT
Walsh is a dinosaur. The boys hated him
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 15:00:36 GMT
Walsh is a dinosaur. The boys hated him Is that a generalisation based on a couple of boys who were not up to it and didn't like being told or have you canvassed every one who is at the academy? Personally I found AW a personable and approachable man who was a very knowledge coach
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 19, 2016 18:52:04 GMT
Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same. So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by eemployment laws They are contractors. They get their contracts settled, in accordance with the terms of their contracts. Meagre? A year's salary is meagre?
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 19, 2016 19:09:40 GMT
Don't be so silly, football isn't above the law of the land. Sacked managers are compensated, normally by buying out the rest of their contract, or they go to employment tribunal like what's his chops at Brighton not too long ago, or the lass at Chelsea. OK, if you don't like whistle blower then try complainant. My opinion is the same. So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by employment laws Difference is a football manager, like a player is usually on a fixed term contract, if it's a two year contract he's never going to earn more than 2 years wages, unless his contract is ever extended. There's a possibility he won't ever get another job but surely that's the risk anybody takes when moving into football management rather than a "normal" job, plus most probably do get contracts elsewhere anyway. I was amazed to see Ian Atkin's was head hunted by Villa from Everton recently as assumed he'd left the game after his time at Rovers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 13:19:44 GMT
So lets take this a step further,if your boss is not impressed with how you are doing your job,what does he do? You are called to a meeting and told what needs to improve and given a time limit in which to do so,if after that you haven't improved you are given a final warning and if you still do not improve hen out you go,this can take at least 6 months. So how does calling a football manager into the office,telling him you are not happy and sacking him,paying a maximum of 1 years salary.He may never get another job in the game so where is the law of the land there to protect his rights. If this happened to you and you are in a union can you imagine the reaction,especially if you are 55 plus knowing the likelihood of you getting another job,the compensation is meagre so how can you say football is covered by employment laws Difference is a football manager, like a player is usually on a fixed term contract, if it's a two year contract he's never going to earn more than 2 years wages, unless his contract is ever extended. There's a possibility he won't ever get another job but surely that's the risk anybody takes when moving into football management rather than a "normal" job, plus most probably do get contracts elsewhere anyway. I was amazed to see Ian Atkin's was head hunted by Villa from Everton recently as assumed he'd left the game after his time at Rovers Ian Atkins managed Torquay United after leaving us and kept them in the football league. He then took up scouting roles at Sunderland and Everton but I didn't know he had joined Villa so thanks for the update. Edit: Ian Atkins took action against Rovers following his dismissal but I believe it was settled out of court.
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