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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 23:11:29 GMT
I did use to wonder why we never used any grants from the powers that be to start upgrading the Mem,but was led to believe paying the mortgage was taking any spare money.but is the location of the Mem suitable for exspansion,which would need to happen if we truely want to be Championship club one day. Must admit that day seems a long way off Definately need to know now what is happening,good or bad,i am fed up of feeling in limbo
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 1, 2014 23:17:16 GMT
Would not know about any of this but would think that your current priority would be to get back into the Football League at the first time of asking.
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Post by davehuddscousin on Jun 2, 2014 0:49:53 GMT
It really isn't a question of either/or with the stadium is it? We need the new stadium for two reasons, firstly the current one is run down and old fashioned. Secondly the new stadium and the Sainsbury deal clears the club's debts, and the UWE stadium brings in its wake additional revenue streams to support the football club. Just look at the examples of other clubs who used to be similar size to Rovers until they moved into new stadiums, ie. Cardiff, Brighton, Wigan, Swansea, Bolton, Reading and so on. Lets stop just looking at next season and look at the long term future of our club.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2014 2:16:28 GMT
It really isn't a question of either/or with the stadium is it? We need the new stadium for two reasons, firstly the current one is run down and old fashioned. Secondly the new stadium and the Sainsbury deal clears the club's debts, and the UWE stadium brings in its wake additional revenue streams to support the football club. Just look at the examples of other clubs who used to be similar size to Rovers until they moved into new stadiums, ie. Cardiff, Brighton, Wigan, Swansea, Bolton, Reading and so on. Lets stop just looking at next season and look at the long term future of our club. That's what most Rovers fans think and that's what the board encourage us to think DHC but is it reality ? All those clubs had many millions of cash invested as well as their new stadiums and the two factors combined helped to bring success. In Swansea's case they didn't even have to pay for the stadium so all the money raised by the local businessmen, international businessmen and supporters trust who own The Swans could go towards the team and club infrastructure. Now some Rovers fans like "tote end" will tell us the board have it all covered, Nick Higgs has told him that he plans to put a completely new management structure in place to run the stadium and the revenue streams will be so big that our main problem will be minimising our tax bill. So we'll have plenty of money to invest in the team and the club just like Cardiff, Wigan, Swansea, Bolton. Reading and others have done. But hold on a minute. How does that square with Nick's other comments that the delays caused by TRASH will cost the club X million and so some parts of the stadium will have to be mothballed because there won't be sufficient money to do everything planned ? Are we going to have the cash to go with the stadium which other clubs have had and which has ensured their projects worked ? Or are we so short of cash that we will barely be able to part complete the stadium and therefore the make do and mend approach with all the traditional corner cutting we have come to expect at Rovers will continue ? Sooner or later that question will have to be answered.
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Post by empirebaypete on Jun 2, 2014 2:44:41 GMT
I'm not going to quote all that but I agree with you Swiss.
In an idea world we'd get a new stadium and the revenue from using the other 6 days a week for other things SHOULD generate money to go towards the Gas. However hasn't it already been mentioned that GD has said the UWE is his pension? Does that mean that Rovers will get the revenue from one day a week, and the rest will be paying for the BOD's to be sitting on sun lounges in the Bahamas?
Is it going to be a stadium where football is played and used for other things the rest of the time, or is it going to be a stadium used for loads of things and occasionally there's a (non league) football match
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jun 2, 2014 10:19:18 GMT
Cannot say about the rights and wrongs of it but presumably the people opposed to the stadium are following the democratic process as they perceive it as far as they can. Just as your club are pursuing Wycombe/FA et al with the democratic process because that is the way your club perceive it and believe in your cause. One of the great tragedies of democracy, I have found, is that it is not quite so much fun if it annoys you or you lose. It's not about democracy. For some reason they seemed to have missed the democratic process that took place prior to the planning committee meeting when all the boxes were ticked with regard to Gloucester Road shop owners, environmental considerations, neighbourhood concerns, contact with the relevant ex-service people's organisations re. a memorial garden, etc., etc. Many of us watched a live webcam of the planning committee meeting at which planning permission was granted to Sainsbury's and couldn't believe what we were seeing. It was like they'd just been informed of the development and had nothing prepared. One of the Green councillors fumbled through a load of papers looking for things to back her up almost as though she was handed them outside the building! She couldn't put a corrherent sentence together and embarrassed herself completely. Since then all they've done is played delaying tactics with appeals over things that they had no chance of overturning, costing the club possible revenues of around a million. They have seriously p*ssed off thousands of people in the way they've approached it and seemingly have no regard for democracy that doesn't fall into their narrow democracy template. :wallbang:
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 2, 2014 11:26:15 GMT
Think you need to get a grip - no stadium, no future simples ! But how do all the clubs with no new stadium survive and prosper ? Which clubs without a new stadium, or at least significant improvements to their current stadium, have prospered?
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2014 13:28:21 GMT
But how do all the clubs with no new stadium survive and prosper ? Which clubs without a new stadium, or at least significant improvements to their current stadium, have prospered? Liverpool Everton Burnley QPR Yeovil Brentford Peterborough Rochdale Burton York If by prosper you mean giving their fans something to cheer about, a bit of excitement and an enjoyable time following their club. Successful businesses don't spent their time grasping for panaceas they get the basics right first and the good things, like beautiful new or updated stadiums, tend to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 13:51:08 GMT
Chicken and egg...
You need Money to achieve those goals
Money is generated by using your stadium outside of football
We cannot do that with the mem
The new stadium will provide this
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 2, 2014 14:03:18 GMT
Chicken and egg... You need Money to achieve those goals Money is generated by using your stadium outside of football We cannot do that with the mem The new stadium will provide this Not sure this is easy to answer but which clubs do use their stadiums for non football related activities in just Div 2? Anyway given our BoD have made such a mess of running just a football club what chance is there of them running the non footballing side of things successfully?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 14:25:24 GMT
It's been such a battle to get the uwe,it's easy to say forget it for now and concentrate on the team,but i don't think the chance will come again to get a ground of the calibre we need if we want to be able to maintain a higher standard of football. if we were to stay at the mem and managed to get to the championship,there is no way we would be able to compete for any length of time,just as yeovil have found also Peterbrough,as will Brentford no doubt. If we are happy for the occasional promotion,selling our better players and falling back down the leagues,always being second best to the city,then lets stay put
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2014 15:34:00 GMT
Chicken and egg... You need Money to achieve those goals Money is generated by using your stadium outside of football We cannot do that with the mem The new stadium will provide this But that's my point Henbury. The clubs I listed didn't have new stadiums but still managed to achieve success. Rovers have had far more money available than nearly all clubs in league 2 and many in league 1 but did not achieve success We are brainwashed into thinking the formula is simply new stadium = more money = success When the correct formula is new stadium + more investment + better management = success If the plans really are there for new investment and a new management structure what a magnificent opportunity is being wasted by Nick through not telling us about it. I can't see anyone criticising him if he shared his vision fully with us and virtually said "look I know I've messed up on the football side of things but here is what we have planned and this is how we will achieve it". We would all respect him for that. But if we are not being told the full story and the whole thing is half cocked with no extra investment secured and no real idea of how the stadium would be managed then I think it's still much better if supporters are told the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 15:43:08 GMT
Chicken and egg... You need Money to achieve those goals Money is generated by using your stadium outside of football We cannot do that with the mem The new stadium will provide this But that's my point Henbury. The clubs I listed didn't have new stadiums but still managed to achieve success. Rovers have had far more money available than nearly all clubs in league 2 and many in league 1 but did not achieve success We are brainwashed into thinking the formula is simply new stadium = more money = success When the correct formula is new stadium + more investment + better management = success If the plans really are there for new investment and a new management structure what a magnificent opportunity is being wasted by Nick through not telling us about it. I can't see anyone criticising him if he shared his vision fully with us and virtually said "look I know I've messed up on the football side of things but here is what we have planned and this is how we will achieve it". We would all respect him for that. But if we are not being told the full story and the whole thing is half cocked with no extra investment secured and no real idea of how the stadium would be managed then I think it's still much better if supporters are told the truth. What makes you think BRFC will be running the new Stadium Complex ?? My Understanding of the situation is the Complex will be jointly run by BRFC & UWE in a separate company with BRFC will part own I Cannot see the other Partner(s) let BRFC run this with there previous experience..
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2014 15:58:50 GMT
But that's my point Henbury. The clubs I listed didn't have new stadiums but still managed to achieve success. Rovers have had far more money available than nearly all clubs in league 2 and many in league 1 but did not achieve success We are brainwashed into thinking the formula is simply new stadium = more money = success When the correct formula is new stadium + more investment + better management = success If the plans really are there for new investment and a new management structure what a magnificent opportunity is being wasted by Nick through not telling us about it. I can't see anyone criticising him if he shared his vision fully with us and virtually said "look I know I've messed up on the football side of things but here is what we have planned and this is how we will achieve it". We would all respect him for that. But if we are not being told the full story and the whole thing is half cocked with no extra investment secured and no real idea of how the stadium would be managed then I think it's still much better if supporters are told the truth. What makes you think BRFC will be running the new Stadium Complex ?? My Understanding of the situation is the Complex will be jointly run by BRFC & UWE in a separate company with BRFC will part own I Cannot see the other Partner(s) let BRFC run this with there previous experience.. That's the first I've heard of that, has there been a press release recently ? I thought Nick said the stadium would be owned and run by Bristol Rovers and all revenue streams would flow to Bristol Rovers ?
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 2, 2014 16:16:37 GMT
Chicken and egg... You need Money to achieve those goals Money is generated by using your stadium outside of football We cannot do that with the mem The new stadium will provide this But that's my point Henbury. The clubs I listed didn't have new stadiums but still managed to achieve success. Rovers have had far more money available than nearly all clubs in league 2 and many in league 1 but did not achieve success We are brainwashed into thinking the formula is simply new stadium = more money = success When the correct formula is new stadium + more investment + better management = success If the plans really are there for new investment and a new management structure what a magnificent opportunity is being wasted by Nick through not telling us about it. I can't see anyone criticising him if he shared his vision fully with us and virtually said "look I know I've messed up on the football side of things but here is what we have planned and this is how we will achieve it". We would all respect him for that. But if we are not being told the full story and the whole thing is half cocked with no extra investment secured and no real idea of how the stadium would be managed then I think it's still much better if supporters are told the truth. And isn't there going to be a shortfall (although no debt will be attached to the stadium)
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Post by mrgas on Jun 2, 2014 16:18:47 GMT
It just makes me hate lentils and sandals even more...these people are like a bad fart that just lingers and won't go away. I make a lovely lentil curry but have no sandals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 18:45:15 GMT
But that's my point Henbury. The clubs I listed didn't have new stadiums but still managed to achieve success. Rovers have had far more money available than nearly all clubs in league 2 and many in league 1 but did not achieve success We are brainwashed into thinking the formula is simply new stadium = more money = success When the correct formula is new stadium + more investment + better management = success If the plans really are there for new investment and a new management structure what a magnificent opportunity is being wasted by Nick through not telling us about it. I can't see anyone criticising him if he shared his vision fully with us and virtually said "look I know I've messed up on the football side of things but here is what we have planned and this is how we will achieve it". We would all respect him for that. But if we are not being told the full story and the whole thing is half cocked with no extra investment secured and no real idea of how the stadium would be managed then I think it's still much better if supporters are told the truth. And isn't there going to be a shortfall (although no debt will be attached to the stadium) So it's personal guarantees, really? i'd like to know who would be such a complete knob to do such a thing, whilst our board are undoubtedly the least talented bunch of football investors and administrators this side of the Atlantic I very much doubt they are that inept. No worries though because it ain't going to happen, we're off to Twerton.
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 6, 2014 9:08:52 GMT
Which clubs without a new stadium, or at least significant improvements to their current stadium, have prospered? Liverpool Everton Burnley QPR Yeovil Brentford Peterborough By prospered, I mean improved league standing. Rochdale Burton York If by prosper you mean giving their fans something to cheer about, a bit of excitement and an enjoyable time following their club. Successful businesses don't spent their time grasping for panaceas they get the basics right first and the good things, like beautiful new or updated stadiums, tend to follow. By prospered, I mean improved standing. Liverpool - Have not prospered - used to be regular champions of Europe - arguably have declined (ignoring last season) Everton - Have not prospered. Used to be regular title challengers, now mainly mid-table - have declined Burnley - rebuilding of 2 stands in the 1990s. QPR - have not prospered. Massive team investment and they are a top of tier 2 / bottom of tier 1 side - thier traditional position Yeovil - New stadium, 1990 Brentford - Have not prospered. Tier 3 / tier 2 side - where they have been for decades Peterborough - Have not prospered - Tier 2 / tier 3 club, where they have been for decades Rochdale - Have not prospered. Tier 4 side, where they have been for decades Burton - New stadium, 2005 York - Have not prospered. Historically a tier 4 club, which is where they are now. In 2000's relegated to conference, took years to get back despite decent support.
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Post by RG2 Gas on Jun 6, 2014 10:28:16 GMT
But that's my point Henbury. The clubs I listed didn't have new stadiums but still managed to achieve success. Rovers have had far more money available than nearly all clubs in league 2 and many in league 1 but did not achieve success We are brainwashed into thinking the formula is simply new stadium = more money = success When the correct formula is new stadium + more investment + better management = success If the plans really are there for new investment and a new management structure what a magnificent opportunity is being wasted by Nick through not telling us about it. I can't see anyone criticising him if he shared his vision fully with us and virtually said "look I know I've messed up on the football side of things but here is what we have planned and this is how we will achieve it". We would all respect him for that. But if we are not being told the full story and the whole thing is half cocked with no extra investment secured and no real idea of how the stadium would be managed then I think it's still much better if supporters are told the truth. What makes you think BRFC will be running the new Stadium Complex ?? My Understanding of the situation is the Complex will be jointly run by BRFC & UWE in a separate company with BRFC will part own I Cannot see the other Partner(s) let BRFC run this with there previous experience.. That's news to me Henbury? Pretty sure Higgs has said the UWE Stadium will be 100% owned by the FC (or at least the equivalent of the Memorial Stadium Co which is a 100% owned subsidiary of BRFC (1883) Ltd isn't it?) on leased land with a peppercorn rent. If it's now part-owned by a third party (UWE or otherwise) that sounds like a game-changer to me?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 10:57:15 GMT
if uwe part run the stadium id be hopeful the thing would actually be run in a proper manner and make money
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