Angas
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Post by Angas on Jun 25, 2016 13:44:33 GMT
Not what has been said. Detracts from your argument entirely.
So did I.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 13:45:17 GMT
It was a stupid question to ask Farage though... He's not in Government and so clearly he has no power to decide how tax revenues are spent The reason it was a 'mistake' is that there was never going to be £350m a week to spend in the first place. Britain's rebate took the figure down to £286m, and then you have to subtract subsidies paid to UK farmers and the assorted EU grants for various projects, some of which are received in Bristol. Not that the Leave campaign were not perfectly well aware of that in the first place. And there in is the Remain camps problem because they couldn't tell anyone how much that figure was because the EU is a bereaucratic mess that have never had their own accounts signed off by their own auditors. You could barely make up such a farce.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 13:47:26 GMT
Not what has been said. Detracts from your argument entirely. So did I. Your words Thought I'd remind you as perhaps you are going senile?
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Post by womble on Jun 25, 2016 13:54:05 GMT
The reason it was a 'mistake' is that there was never going to be £350m a week to spend in the first place. Britain's rebate took the figure down to £286m, and then you have to subtract subsidies paid to UK farmers and the assorted EU grants for various projects, some of which are received in Bristol. Not that the Leave campaign were not perfectly well aware of that in the first place. And there in is the Remain camps problem because they couldn't tell anyone how much that figure was because the EU is a bereaucratic mess that have never had their own accounts signed off by their own auditors. You could barely make up such a farce. Don't think anyone is claiming EU perfection CGH. We will find out in the next few years if life outside the EU is as wonderful as some have suggested. I am not optimistic.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 25, 2016 13:55:14 GMT
IF it were a credible "organisation" then just why is this fear ..or a not wanting of accounts being scrutinised and affirmed to the good ............or the bad..........?..something tells me that if they were fully scrutinised and those held to account over the accounts some persons may AWOL and the "EU as it is would fall apart petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215didn't take too long!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:19:14 GMT
People, generally, did not vote Brexit because of the accounts. And, I voted remain for the future of this country on behalf of my kids and their kids. One that would have embraced pluralism and openness.
I fear this decision will lead to the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:23:03 GMT
The reason it was a 'mistake' is that there was never going to be £350m a week to spend in the first place. Britain's rebate took the figure down to £286m, and then you have to subtract subsidies paid to UK farmers and the assorted EU grants for various projects, some of which are received in Bristol. Not that the Leave campaign were not perfectly well aware of that in the first place. And there in is the Remain camps problem because they couldn't tell anyone how much that figure was because the EU is a bereaucratic mess that have never had their own accounts signed off by their own auditors. You could barely make up such a farce. Flipping heck, we agree Great idea, administrative nightmare. All too easy for someone like Farage to sit on the sidelines and point out the shortcomings, a whole lot harder to figure out how to make the thing actually work, especially when parasites like the Kinnock family crawl up the sewers and straight into very well paid jobs that produce, as far as I can tell, the square root of naff all. It's all well and good to accuse leavers of voting for rainbows with pots of gold, but until the EU is actually a democratic and functioning body that's fit for purpose, the remainers are just as bad. We had a choice, but it was no choice.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 14:28:20 GMT
And there in is the Remain camps problem because they couldn't tell anyone how much that figure was because the EU is a bereaucratic mess that have never had their own accounts signed off by their own auditors. You could barely make up such a farce. Flipping heck, we agree Great idea, administrative nightmare. All too easy for someone like Farage to sit on the sidelines and point out the shortcomings, a whole lot harder to figure out how to make the thing actually work, especially when parasites like the Kinnock family crawl up the sewers and straight into very well paid jobs that produce, as far as I can tell, the square root of naff all. It's all well and good to accuse leavers of voting for rainbows with pots of gold, but until the EU is actually a democratic and functioning body that's fit for purpose, the remainers are just as bad. We had a choice, but it was no choice. It's happened, occassionally, before. The EU (& it's previous incarnations) had 40+ years to prove it's worth to us and it has failed, miserably in my view. We've voted (democratically) out and if the country pulls together (as I would've have done had it been a Remain vote) we will all make a success of it, if the country doesn't pull together (& at the moment the Remain camp seems to be sulking like a petulant child) then it could fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:28:39 GMT
I think they voted for border control. And a promise to spend the same saving made from EU contributions many times over; at least once on the NHS, once on education, once on building affordable housing for first time buyers, once on stables for unicorns that f&rt rainbows etc etc etc. It is all depressing, we should be part of the EU, we would be stronger together, however, it ain't gonna work as long as Brussels is run like a 1970s closed shop union. If it wasn't us, it was going to be France, and quite possible it will be France next anyway. The whole EU project is hanging by a thread. Maybe something can be salvaged from the ashes, but it's hard to see how? As for bananas, Google Ray Comfort banana man, you'll learn all you need to know. What border control? Illegals will still get in and we need people to come into the UK do the work which others won't do. We have the lowest unemployment (1.6m) for goodness only knows how long. We have 2m+ from outside of EU and 1.8m from inside the EU. If we are to prosper we need those who are able to have more children or we are in trouble but even that won't help in the short term. And the irony is that one aspect of border control we currently have is at Calais, grudgingly accepted by the French under EU co-operation and loathed by the locals. So when that gets removed, as per our new view of 'we don't need them', the Jungle and future migrants will be free to move directly to Kent. Then what? Child Catcher like figures with a big net? Good luck with that. Still, we'll be able to stop mainland Europeans coming here, working, paying tax, and making a net contribution to public finance to help pay pensions and fund the health sevice that these old folk expect. One of the sickening things is when they say that, well yes, all the ones they know (if they know any) are very good people, speak as I find, it's all the others, you know: all the ones I know = good, therefore, given my experience, all the ones I don't know must be.... Give me strength.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:35:44 GMT
will they drive over or get a ferry ?
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 25, 2016 14:36:52 GMT
ill say again , im 55 why shouldnt i vote for my present/future ? and lets be straight most 16 year olds have hardly any life experience , something us middle aged/old gets have Did I say you shouldn't? If you think I did go have another look at what I said. From your comments there are clearly many young people and 16 year old who have far more understanding and life experience of "Europe" than you do. What does "Europe" and the EU mean to you? The things you have read about in the paper?
Have you found out what actually happens in the EU? Or are you going by the headlines?Does Erasmus mean anything to you? Europe and the EU means to me ceding sovereignty to a beauracratic organisation in a foreign country that I seem to have little or no control over. I don't need to read about it in the paper. Not sure why I need to understand what goes on in inside the EU beyond a basic understanding of the process. What actually happens to me because of it is more important. Don't need to read any headlines for that. Not many people know how our Government works but don't stop them voting every 5 years on how it has affected them.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jun 25, 2016 14:37:06 GMT
Sinclair's 94th minute winner at Luton.
Scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:43:56 GMT
People, generally, did not vote Brexit because of the accounts. And, I voted remain for the future of this country on behalf of my kids and their kids. One that would have embraced pluralism and openness. I fear this decision will lead to the opposite. So you think that people who voted to leave oppose pluralism and openness? Again, look at the demographic map of leave voters, relate that to communities with a high percentage of immigrants and you'll see a pattern. Then, to get the full picture, look a little deeper, investigate the population density in those areas and I think you'll have the reason that we got the result that we did on Thursday.
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 25, 2016 14:47:05 GMT
Flipping heck, we agree Great idea, administrative nightmare. All too easy for someone like Farage to sit on the sidelines and point out the shortcomings, a whole lot harder to figure out how to make the thing actually work, especially when parasites like the Kinnock family crawl up the sewers and straight into very well paid jobs that produce, as far as I can tell, the square root of naff all. It's all well and good to accuse leavers of voting for rainbows with pots of gold, but until the EU is actually a democratic and functioning body that's fit for purpose, the remainers are just as bad. We had a choice, but it was no choice. It's happened, occassionally, before. The EU (& it's previous incarnations) had 40+ years to prove it's worth to us and it has failed, miserably in my view. We've voted (democratically) out and if the country pulls together (as I would've have done had it been a Remain vote) we will all make a success of it, if the country doesn't pull together (& at the moment the Remain camp seems to be sulking like a petulant child) then it could fail.There is, allegedly, a petition on YouGov, asking for a rerun of the referendum. They should have told us what answer they wanted before we voted. Maybe could have helped them out a bit on that one. Paid me some dosh, who knows? Everyone has a price. Strewth you couldn't make it up. If I recall the EU has in the past asked Denmark and Ireland to vote again because they didn't like the answer that was democratically arrived at the first time. No wonder we are where we are with them.........
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 14:48:01 GMT
What border control? Illegals will still get in and we need people to come into the UK do the work which others won't do. We have the lowest unemployment (1.6m) for goodness only knows how long. We have 2m+ from outside of EU and 1.8m from inside the EU. If we are to prosper we need those who are able to have more children or we are in trouble but even that won't help in the short term. And the irony is that one aspect of border control we currently have is at Calais, grudgingly accepted by the French under EU co-operation and loathed by the locals. So when that gets removed, as per our new view of 'we don't need them', the Jungle and future migrants will be free to move directly to Kent. Then what? Child Catcher like figures with a big net? Good luck with that. Still, we'll be able to stop mainland Europeans coming here, working, paying tax, and making a net contribution to public finance to help pay pensions and fund the health sevice that these old folk expect. One of the sickening things is when they say that, well yes, all the ones they know (if they know any) are very good people, speak as I find, it's all the others, you know: all the ones I know = good, therefore, given my experience, all the ones I don't know must be.... Give me strength. No change to Le Touquet accord
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 25, 2016 14:51:03 GMT
It's happened, occassionally, before. The EU (& it's previous incarnations) had 40+ years to prove it's worth to us and it has failed, miserably in my view. We've voted (democratically) out and if the country pulls together (as I would've have done had it been a Remain vote) we will all make a success of it, if the country doesn't pull together (& at the moment the Remain camp seems to be sulking like a petulant child) then it could fail.There is, allegedly, a petition on YouGov, asking for a rerun of the referendum. They should have told us what answer they wanted before we voted. Maybe could have helped them out a bit on that one. Paid me some dosh, who knows? Everyone has a price. Strewth you couldn't make it up. If I recall the EU has in the past asked Denmark and Ireland to vote again because they didn't like the answer that was democratically arrived at the first time. No wonder we are where we are with them......... Democracy has never sat very easily with the EU, they have also been known to criticise democratically elected governments & presidents because they don't like their political leaning.
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Post by Igitur on Jun 25, 2016 14:55:35 GMT
Sinclair's 94th minute winner at Luton. Scenes. Hoorah, a football comment which was what we should be discussing. I was expecting a discussion on our Chairman's comments about how Brexit affects football and Rovers in particular. Not stopping free speech, but there are so many places elsewhere to go over the vote, but only one or two places to discuss Rovers.
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 25, 2016 15:00:00 GMT
will they drive over or get a ferry ? Probably come over the Irish border unless we build a wall there. Immigration was the biggest misnomer of all. But it is one that many British people were able to latch on to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 15:01:59 GMT
And the irony is that one aspect of border control we currently have is at Calais, grudgingly accepted by the French under EU co-operation and loathed by the locals. So when that gets removed, as per our new view of 'we don't need them', the Jungle and future migrants will be free to move directly to Kent. Then what? Child Catcher like figures with a big net? Good luck with that. Still, we'll be able to stop mainland Europeans coming here, working, paying tax, and making a net contribution to public finance to help pay pensions and fund the health sevice that these old folk expect. One of the sickening things is when they say that, well yes, all the ones they know (if they know any) are very good people, speak as I find, it's all the others, you know: all the ones I know = good, therefore, given my experience, all the ones I don't know must be.... Give me strength. No change to Le Touquet accordAnd the article says: One member of an unpopular government (disagreeing with another), up for election next spring, is currently resisting widespread calls to remove a deeply unpopular facility, now that the UK has lifted the concept of bilateral co-operation. How long shall we give it?
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Post by Rex on Jun 25, 2016 15:06:40 GMT
Sinclair's 94th minute winner at Luton. Scenes. Hoorah, a football comment which was what we should be discussing. I was expecting a discussion on our Chairman's comments about how Brexit affects football and Rovers in particular. Now stopping free speech, but there are so many places elsewhere to go over the vote, but only one or two places to discuss Rovers. To be fair, this isn't the most active of forums, yet this thread seems to have attracted a fair amount of comment.
maybe if everyone behaves- which they seem to have so far- we can have the serious forum back
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