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Post by chelt_gas on May 24, 2016 22:54:55 GMT
same could happen at rovers if he stays though True. Not as likely, though. It depends whether you're in it for the long term or a quick thrill. Nothing wrong with a quick thrill if he fancies it, but I hope he doesn't for both our sakes. One thing is certain and that is DC holds a strong hand right now. He'd be well advised to learn from Chancer Redknapp's mistakes in trying to utilize a potential job (England) as bargaining power for a new contract at his present club (spurs) and ending up pissing off both then managing Jordan. Whatever happens, I just up our owners never employ, consult or touch Redknapp in any capacity.
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Post by irishrover on May 24, 2016 23:46:59 GMT
'Going nowhere' ...with the jobs that he has had and the payouts when sacked I doubt that he will ever have to work again,a bit of media work here and there if he wants it,sounds pretty good to me.. i know what you mean, but he was into the managerial merry-go-round thing, chasing his own end for the big dollar, yea he got that but almost cost him his sanity if the QPR thing was anything to go by, i thought he was going to be doing the manager thing for some time yet, but as you say the £££ he got out of his "coming and goings" have virtually made him a well off individual.. and best of luck to him Not sure about that at all - if we did lose Clarke presumably Ollie would quickly become hot favourite to be our next manager. We have new owners looking to increase buzz and general interest as well as continuing to build up a positive image with the fanbase. Appointing Ollie manager would achieve those things and the clamour would be too immense to resist I think. It would likely be an awful move in my opinion though - couldn't possibly match expectations.
I think this could be a very tough one for Clarke. People saying that it's a straight up case of trading stability for insecurity are overestimating how secure DC likely feels at Rovers right now. Irrespective of performance there is new ownership and they presumably would like the opportunity to reset things across the board so a poor start to next season could easily see him shifted aside and then he is simply a manager without a job who failed to cut it in League 1. He'd be hot property for League 2 and Conference clubs but maybe this is the only shot he might get at something bigger and he strikes me as a very ambitious guy. It's amazing how quickly stock falls in the management world and it doesn't necessarily rise again - anyone know what Adie Boothroyd is up to now? On the other hand the reasons for not taking the Leeds job are obvious to anyone with half a brain but if you were 'the man to resurrect Leeds' then you're probably set up for life. A bit of a moth to the flame situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 23:56:58 GMT
Problem is Irish, you have to leave your self respect at the front door to take that job.
Has anyone asked Darrell if he actually wants to work for those people?
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Post by mrbluesky on May 25, 2016 0:23:27 GMT
leeds chairman has approached bristol rovers gone to italy to talk to someone about the job and hasnt yet told the present manager if his services are required or not!! what a circus
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 1:10:22 GMT
Objectively I just don't get it! We all know what a great job DC has done for us. However to a club with a rich history like Leeds I don't understand why they are looking at someone who has one year's experience (and that awful bit post Ward) of managing in the League and got a team to 3rd in L2. It's a huge gamble and if I was a Leeds fan I'd wonder what was going on. hockaday, some bloke from the albanian 3rd division. celinio is a prize berk, DC will be another notch on his belt as a rovers/leeds fan i hope he steers well clear
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Post by irishrover on May 25, 2016 2:05:43 GMT
Problem is Irish, you have to leave your self respect at the front door to take that job. Has anyone asked Darrell if he actually wants to work for those people? Agreed, but the poisoned chalice could still look quite inviting nonetheless. I really think it depends on what kind of person you are. I wouldn't touch it with a barge poll but I very much doubt I am wired like most football managers. The point is it clearly does look like a horrendous place to work. But, imagine you don't take it and the guy who does resurrects Leeds (as someone surely will eventually even if they just happen to get lucky new owners take over while they're in charge) do you really want to be remembered as 'the guy who turned down Leeds?' I've certainly taken decisions in the past on the basis that I didn't want to wonder 'what if' - I wouldn't underestimate that. I think it would be different if it was a Paul Trollope like football lifer character - they wouldn't go near this. But DC is still something of an ambitious outsider - he's never burst into the big time, never come close to the top end of the game. For someone like that they may judge it's worth the risk - why slog it out all these years if you don't take grab your shot as crappy as that shot might be. So logically this would be an absolutely terrible call but I'm not sure logic is all that's in play here.
As for the second half - I think we're about to find out aren't we?
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Post by gasshole on May 25, 2016 4:35:08 GMT
I like the idea of succession planning, this should be our focus whatever happens. DC was already at the club. Hopefully Stewie is being groomed for a seamless transition into management. Promote from within , it's a better than trying one clown after another. Should be less traumatic for the team if we can maintain the current good work and successfull systems that are in place. We should always be one step ahead.
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Post by lostinspace on May 25, 2016 6:23:28 GMT
If Dc goes ,then i cannot see that Stewie would even contemplate the offer somehow, to me he seems more happy "in the wings" doing what he is relatively good at... would be someone who Hamer is confident of bringing in and that he probably already knows
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Post by interceptor on May 25, 2016 6:39:36 GMT
Whether DC stays or goes I don't think he would be able to blame job insecurity at BRFC post Al-Qadi ownership. Obviously as a fan I read what I am fed, I don't claim to have any insider knowledge, but the Board have not interfered in the playing side over the 4 months. What they have made are Board appointments that are a clear statement of the ambition. A chairman who has steered the rise of Swansea. We need a new stadium - we get the man who project managed Wembley. 2 immediate post purchase statements were- we don't need the Sainsburys deal for a new stadium. We will tackle each division we are in but there are no 3 or 5 year plans -They sought to take pressure off the manager and team. They have publicly backed DC 110%, not in the usual manager under pressure gets Board support, but when he was under no pressure. In summary DC appears to have the dream job with the dream backers - a well financed club with ambition and a new stadium on the way. A club that had its worst nightmare 2 years ago and is now shooting up because of the managers skill and judgement to date. A chance to build on the foundations you have laid, with the love of the fans and players. A club that has seen its attendance figures literally double in 12 months. I am not sure DC would throw away the golden ticket but he might use the approach to strengthen his position.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 6:50:54 GMT
Hamer had nowt to do with Swansea's rise. They hadn't even stopped declining by the time he left.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 25, 2016 7:08:58 GMT
Whether DC stays or goes I don't think he would be able to blame job insecurity at BRFC post Al-Qadi ownership. Obviously as a fan I read what I am fed, I don't claim to have any insider knowledge, but the Board have not interfered in the playing side over the 4 months. What they have made are Board appointments that are a clear statement of the ambition. A chairman who has steered the rise of Swansea. We need a new stadium - we get the man who project managed Wembley. 2 immediate post purchase statements were- we don't need the Sainsburys deal for a new stadium. We will tackle each division we are in but there are no 3 or 5 year plans -They sought to take pressure off the manager and team. They have publicly backed DC 110%, not in the usual manager under pressure gets Board support, but when he was under no pressure. In summary DC appears to have the dream job with the dream backers - a well financed club with ambition and a new stadium on the way. A club that had its worst nightmare 2 years ago and is now shooting up because of the managers skill and judgement to date. A chance to build on the foundations you have laid, with the love of the fans and players. A club that has seen its attendance figures literally double in 12 months. I am not sure DC would throw away the golden ticket but he might use the approach to strengthen his position. I suppose we are all waiting to see what 'The Golden ticket' actually gets us though.
Don't get me wrong, this is not about being impatient for things to happen, but sooner or later wheels have to be set in motion off the field. So far we have had the Wonga loan paid off (good sign), a few names appointed () and a lot of talks (how productive??)
They have only been here 5 minutes, but if anything the hope has increased and amongst some the expectation will have grown
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Post by mangogas15 on May 25, 2016 7:12:56 GMT
Whether DC stays or goes I don't think he would be able to blame job insecurity at BRFC post Al-Qadi ownership. Obviously as a fan I read what I am fed, I don't claim to have any insider knowledge, but the Board have not interfered in the playing side over the 4 months. What they have made are Board appointments that are a clear statement of the ambition. A chairman who has steered the rise of Swansea. We need a new stadium - we get the man who project managed Wembley. 2 immediate post purchase statements were- we don't need the Sainsburys deal for a new stadium. We will tackle each division we are in but there are no 3 or 5 year plans -They sought to take pressure off the manager and team. They have publicly backed DC 110%, not in the usual manager under pressure gets Board support, but when he was under no pressure. In summary DC appears to have the dream job with the dream backers - a well financed club with ambition and a new stadium on the way. A club that had its worst nightmare 2 years ago and is now shooting up because of the managers skill and judgement to date. A chance to build on the foundations you have laid, with the love of the fans and players. A club that has seen its attendance figures literally double in 12 months. I am not sure DC would throw away the golden ticket but he might use the approach to strengthen his position. I suppose we are all waiting to see what 'The Golden ticket' actually gets us though.
Don't get me wrong, this is not about being impatient for things to happen, but sooner or later wheels have to be set in motion off the field. So far we have had the Wonga loan paid off (good sign), a few names appointed () and a lot of talks (how productive??)
They have only been here 5 minutes, but if anything the hope has increased and amongst some the expectation will have grown
This is the first test
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Post by faggotygas on May 25, 2016 8:01:30 GMT
Whether DC stays or goes I don't think he would be able to blame job insecurity at BRFC post Al-Qadi ownership. Obviously as a fan I read what I am fed, I don't claim to have any insider knowledge, but the Board have not interfered in the playing side over the 4 months. What they have made are Board appointments that are a clear statement of the ambition. A chairman who has steered the rise of Swansea. We need a new stadium - we get the man who project managed Wembley. 2 immediate post purchase statements were- we don't need the Sainsburys deal for a new stadium. We will tackle each division we are in but there are no 3 or 5 year plans -They sought to take pressure off the manager and team. They have publicly backed DC 110%, not in the usual manager under pressure gets Board support, but when he was under no pressure. In summary DC appears to have the dream job with the dream backers - a well financed club with ambition and a new stadium on the way. A club that had its worst nightmare 2 years ago and is now shooting up because of the managers skill and judgement to date. A chance to build on the foundations you have laid, with the love of the fans and players. A club that has seen its attendance figures literally double in 12 months. I am not sure DC would throw away the golden ticket but he might use the approach to strengthen his position. As the Latvian says, Hamer didn't steer Swansea's rise. There seems to be this myth about him that he is an experienced football man - he was chairman of Swansea for 3 years, a lot less time than Higgs was chairman here, and although Swansea gained promotion under him, they were immediately relegated back (after he left, to be fair).
Swansea's rise didn't start until 2004, triggered by Lee Trundle.
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Post by gasshole on May 25, 2016 8:07:47 GMT
If Dc goes ,then i cannot see that Stewie would even contemplate the offer somehow, to me he seems more happy "in the wings" doing what he is relatively good at... would be someone who Hamer is confident of bringing in and that he probably already knows If not Stewie, then a potential successor needs to be lined up now. Someone to replicate what we are doing well. Someone who can be mentored by DC, over the course of a season or two. It may be too late now. I think this approach used to be the Liverpool way.
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Post by simonj on May 25, 2016 8:24:49 GMT
If's, but's, maybe's, should's shouldnt's, heard this and that, rumour and whisper. Its only been a couple of weeks of total euphoria, the reaction to the winner and the hearing of the Accy result says it all - not me, but DC. I am still enjoying it, so this comes too soon, not Leeds trying to poach our manager but the speculation of who knows best and most. His stock is pretty high, he will weigh up his future, without our rumours. I know the forum is for discussions but it gets on my nerves when there are views on personal feelings and relationships, how the hell does anybody know what he personally feels, unless he tells you. I know CJelf very well, he used to say things to me, and honestly most of it didn't happen, and I thought I had insider knowledge. If DC feels he now has enough experience to turn around a bigger club, good luck to him and thanks for everything, but if he sees us as a journey, he has already made a huge contribution to the foundations of success and hopefully sees us the same way as we see him. (frankly talks that he doesn't hit it off with the new owners I find this difficult to comprehend).
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Post by fanatical on May 25, 2016 9:02:54 GMT
Whether DC stays or goes I don't think he would be able to blame job insecurity at BRFC post Al-Qadi ownership. Obviously as a fan I read what I am fed, I don't claim to have any insider knowledge, but the Board have not interfered in the playing side over the 4 months. What they have made are Board appointments that are a clear statement of the ambition. A chairman who has steered the rise of Swansea. We need a new stadium - we get the man who project managed Wembley. 2 immediate post purchase statements were- we don't need the Sainsburys deal for a new stadium. We will tackle each division we are in but there are no 3 or 5 year plans -They sought to take pressure off the manager and team. They have publicly backed DC 110%, not in the usual manager under pressure gets Board support, but when he was under no pressure. In summary DC appears to have the dream job with the dream backers - a well financed club with ambition and a new stadium on the way. A club that had its worst nightmare 2 years ago and is now shooting up because of the managers skill and judgement to date. A chance to build on the foundations you have laid, with the love of the fans and players. A club that has seen its attendance figures literally double in 12 months. I am not sure DC would throw away the golden ticket but he might use the approach to strengthen his position. A very good summary - and DC will be well advised to heed our new owners words - evolution not revolution - Leeds are in the hands of someone who thinks revolution and I am sure there are more problems at Leeds than a 'manager' can solve.
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Post by LPGas on May 25, 2016 10:18:33 GMT
No one thinking that Marcus Stewart would step up?
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Post by Westcountry Gas on May 25, 2016 10:45:15 GMT
No one thinking that Marcus Stewart would step up? Would be a crazy decision if Marcus was given the job. The last thing we need going into a league 1 season is a manager with no managerial experience, it would be like 2010/2011 all over again. I would fully expect an appointment like MS if Higgs & co were still in Box 1, but i think the new owners won't be short of quality applicants or ideas of new managers if the worse was to happen and DC were to leave.
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Post by ivybridgegas on May 25, 2016 10:51:48 GMT
Leeds website states that rovers have refused permission to speak to Darrell - Leeds owner now in Italy seeking a new candidate.
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Post by Finnish Gas on May 25, 2016 10:55:09 GMT
Leeds United owner Massimo Cellino has told David Anderson, a football reporter for the Daily Mirror, that he is meeting a potential new manager in Italy.Yesterday, an approach was made to Bristol Rovers to discuss the vacancy with Darrell Clarke. Steve Evans, who is still employed by Leeds as their head coach, is expected to return to work today. About the potential individual in question, Cellino claims it is someone who is not Italian but does speak very good English. That indicates the person isn’t in fact English, but quite likely European-based. Cellino stated that he finds it difficult to work with English managersApproximately a month ago, Cellino stated that he finds it difficult to work with English managers, but yesterday’s approach for Clarke and the recent discussion with MK Dons boss Karl Robinson hints at a mixed agenda with the Italian. Cellino clearly isn’t sure on who to appoint as the new manager of Leeds United Football Club. He is going through potential candidates very quickly, and ironically it is possibly tghat reason why the job is less appealing. However is approached now will know that they are probably not even first, second or maybe even third choice. Steve Evans appears to be ranked even lower in that spectrum! One more name which has started to appear out of nowhere is Roberto Stellone. He managed Frosinone in Serie A last season, but was sacked a day after the season ended, which culminated in their relegation back to Serie B. It is understood that Crotone manager Ivan Juric isn’t under consideration, although he has supposedly stated that he has turned down the role already. the72.co.uk/55050/cellino-meeting-managerial-candidate-in-italy/Roberto StelloneOn 16 May 2015 he led Frosinone to second place in Serie B and direct promotion to Serie A with a game to spare, with victory against Crotone 3–1. On 7 March 2016, Stellone won the Panchina d’Argento for the previous 2014–15 season. On 8 May 2016, Frosinone were relegated back to Serie B after one season in Serie A. One day after Frosinone's last match of the Serie A season, on 15 May, Stellone was relieved of his managerial duties. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Stellone
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