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Post by markczgas on May 21, 2016 14:24:38 GMT
The SC needs some younger, enthusiastic supporters to lead it and bring it to life/up with the times. It also needs some younger, open-minded SC Directors who are good communicators and willing to ALWAYS put SC members views across to the board earnestly and forcefully when appropriate. I don't know how it should be done - but there really needs to be a new leaf turned at the club to ensure a strong relationship can be formed and bridged between the fanbase and the owners. Perhaps the owners could invite SC members and non-members to form a new fans' committee - elect some members ?? Nothing to do with age, what's needed is to try to replace people of the calibre that resigned way back in 2006. They can be 26 or 106 years old, it matters not. Oh come on !! I'm 52 and am doing ok but I know I have less drive and hunger to do things than when I was 32 ! Not saying that is how everyone feels but surely you get my drift ??
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on May 21, 2016 15:16:33 GMT
First of all, I have the utmost respect for the time and effort JC puts in as BRSC Chairman. That said, I find the post a little confusing - I was not contacted as a member of BRSC for my opinion regarding the lack of a bus tour/stadium visit like we had last season, so JC doesn't speak for all members of BRSC. My own view is that it may have been "nice" but certainly not something which bothers me - I would have come to the stadium if the bus tour had been arranged, but am not overly worried either way.
In terms of the BRSC helpers being thanked, I can only say that at each AGM I have attended, NH and BB have made a point of thanking them for their efforts and I would imagine SH will do so at the next AGM.
I think for all JC's good work, he has come across a a bit petulant in this post which is a shame, but does not warrant some of the vitriolic comments on this thread - I would just say he "screwed up" this time, not suggest he resigns of f*cks off.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 15:21:31 GMT
First of all, I have the utmost respect for the time and effort JC puts in as BRSC Chairman. That said, I find the post a little confusing - I was not contacted as a member of BRSC for my opinion regarding the lack of a bus tour/stadium visit like we had last season, so JC doesn't speak for all members of BRSC. My own view is that it may have been "nice" but certainly not something which bothers me - I would have come to the stadium if the bus tour had been arranged, but am not overly worried either way. In terms of the BRSC helpers being thanked, I can only say that at each AGM I have attended, NH and BB have made a point of thanking them for their efforts and I would imagine SH will do so at the next AGM. I think for all JC's good work, he has come across a a bit petulant in this post which is a shame, but does not warrant some of the vitriolic comments on this thread - I would just say he "screwed up" this time, not suggest he resigns of f*cks off. whos posted he should ;f**k off ; ?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 15:23:43 GMT
the first post ive ever seen on here from jim chappel, as someone else said how come he kept quiet while higgs ran us aground ? theres always one He's a very quiet bloke - really !! but why would someone pipe up during a general feeling of euphoria to have a dig while sitting quiet during the last 16 years of absolute turmoil ?
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Post by Bridgeman on May 21, 2016 15:53:38 GMT
He's a very quiet bloke - really !! but why would someone pipe up during a general feeling of euphoria to have a dig while sitting quiet during the last 16 years of absolute turmoil ? Presumably because the status quo is being challenged by the new regime ?
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Post by Nailsea Gas on May 21, 2016 16:24:51 GMT
I think they are right save the bus tour until we win the league. I don't need one to celebrate promotion because I was there with the other 12,000 as I was at every other game. Fans and supporters are not the same thing look it up. 30,000 at Wembley 5-12k at home games. Apart from supporters that couldn't make it for various reasons, the rest just jump on the bandwagon of success with no intention of supporting the club. I understand that there are those who cannot go for a variety of reasons , but there are also many thousand who WILL not go because they can't be bothered unless it's to Wembley or any other big games To be fair, even if 30000 wanted to go to a home game then we would still only get under 12000. Not a fair comparison when one stadium is at capacity and the other is not. Totally understand that but we are not sold out every week are we even with 10k capacity. So where are they, not there because they can't be bothered. That is my point and I'm only talking about the people that never go who claim to be supporters of which I know quite a few. My answer to them is quite clear. you're a fan not a supporter
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Post by harrybuckle on May 21, 2016 16:31:27 GMT
the BRSC funds much of the work of the Rovers Academy. Someone on here wants younger representation on the BRSC committee ..so why don't they actually volunteer to help....doubt they will ...because they will miss valuable drinking time.
Still agree an open top bus tour should have been arranged ....not often we celebrate many promotions.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 16:52:11 GMT
Nothing to do with age, what's needed is to try to replace people of the calibre that resigned way back in 2006. They can be 26 or 106 years old, it matters not. Oh come on !! I'm 52 and am doing ok but I know I have less drive and hunger to do things than when I was 32 ! Not saying that is how everyone feels but surely you get my drift ?? In all seriousness, there's a balance between youthful enthusiasm and experience. It doesn't matter how much energy you have, that won't enable you to make better decisions.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 17:02:58 GMT
the BRSC funds much of the work of the Rovers Academy. Someone on here wants younger representation on the BRSC committee ..so why don't they actually volunteer to help....doubt they will ...because they will miss valuable drinking time. Still agree an open top bus tour should have been arranged ....not often we celebrate many promotions. We will never have a unanimous agreement but I believe that you are in a minority who feels aggrieved by the decision. Most don't care one way or another and a few are glad there was no bus tour.
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Post by Bridgeman on May 21, 2016 17:19:33 GMT
the BRSC funds much of the work of the Rovers Academy. Someone on here wants younger representation on the BRSC committee ..so why don't they actually volunteer to help....doubt they will ...because they will miss valuable drinking time. Still agree an open top bus tour should have been arranged ....not often we celebrate many promotions. We will never have a unanimous agreement but I believe that you are in a minority who feels aggrieved by the decision. Most don't care one way or another and a few are glad there was no bus tour. I'm in the camp that if there had been one I would have turned up for it as I'm sure would many others but maybe like many others I don't feel aggrieved there wasn't one and describing it as a PR disaster is completely over the top.
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Post by pirate49 on May 21, 2016 17:21:27 GMT
If Nick Higgs is going to take credit for signing those players then he needs to take 'credit' for a few other things which happened during his tenure. I can't be bothered to start a list..............
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 21, 2016 17:32:44 GMT
the first post ive ever seen on here from jim chappel, as someone else said how come he kept quiet while higgs ran us aground ? theres always one Pretty sure you'll find that Jim Chappell hasn't posted on this forum, Kevin Spencer has just copied this (presumably) from the BRSC website.
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on May 21, 2016 17:36:44 GMT
First of all, I have the utmost respect for the time and effort JC puts in as BRSC Chairman. That said, I find the post a little confusing - I was not contacted as a member of BRSC for my opinion regarding the lack of a bus tour/stadium visit like we had last season, so JC doesn't speak for all members of BRSC. My own view is that it may have been "nice" but certainly not something which bothers me - I would have come to the stadium if the bus tour had been arranged, but am not overly worried either way. In terms of the BRSC helpers being thanked, I can only say that at each AGM I have attended, NH and BB have made a point of thanking them for their efforts and I would imagine SH will do so at the next AGM. I think for all JC's good work, he has come across a a bit petulant in this post which is a shame, but does not warrant some of the vitriolic comments on this thread - I would just say he "screwed up" this time, not suggest he resigns of f*cks off. whos posted he should ;f off ; ? You're right - those "f off"comments were on Gaschat, but there are a couple of "should resign" comments in this thread, not needed - he fouled up, that's all.
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Post by Curly Wurly on May 21, 2016 17:45:33 GMT
the BRSC funds much of the work of the Rovers Academy. Someone on here wants younger representation on the BRSC committee ..so why don't they actually volunteer to help....doubt they will ...because they will miss valuable drinking time. I am afraid that an attitude like this is why many of the younger generation would not go near the Supporters Club, just as Jim decided to mock those that were celebrating on the Gloucester Road, there is a 'my club not yours' attitude that is just out of touch. I vehemently disagree with much of the argument presented in this Jim's jottings, but I am pleased that it has revived the debate about the role of the supporters club in this new era for Rovers. Time to get out of the 1950s in my opinion.
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Post by Bridgeman on May 21, 2016 17:59:42 GMT
the first post ive ever seen on here from jim chappel, as someone else said how come he kept quiet while higgs ran us aground ? theres always one Pretty sure you'll find that Jim Chappell hasn't posted on this forum, Kevin Spencer has just copied this (presumably) from the BRSC website. BRSC are never going to post on here as an organisation particularly as they have their own section on Gaschat so if some of their forum members are posting for JC to f...off that isn't going to go down too well with some of their other members. I don't think anyone deserves to be told to f....off anyway particularly a long serving supporter of the club.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 18:03:08 GMT
whos posted he should ;f off ; ? You're right - those "f off"comments were on Gaschat, but there are a couple of "should resign" comments in this thread, not needed - he fouled up, that's all. Well, my phrase was 'jog on'. As for resign, I think he's put himself in a difficult position. An apology isn't really the thing, as he was clearly speaking his mind, so that cat's out of the bag: he doesn't like that there's been a takeover, that the new owners are popular, that Steve Hamer disgareed with him about a bus ride (as if it mattered), or that Nick Higgs's legacy isn't being celebrated. He sounds sulky and petulant. In all of that, and in seeming to resent the club's owners and direction, he's hugely out of line with the overwhelming sentiment of supporters. As chairman of the supporters club in that position, I think he either needs to rethink and row back considerably, or he would seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He needn't say 'I was wrong to say...'; he could say 'While I regret there wasn't a bus ride, and believe that Nick's contribution to the club should be honoured, I'd like to applaud the contribution so far by the new board in ..... and look forward with great excitement to what lies ahead.' Until then he just seems like a sulky and contrary dead weight.
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Post by Cheshiregas on May 21, 2016 18:33:32 GMT
I know Jim and wholeheartedly agree with his comments. Was a staggering PR disaster not to celebrate promotion via a bust our or a meal to thank the many unpaid volunteers who sustain the Club.The new owners came in and took the glory but Higgs and co paid for the wages of the players who obtained promotion. Supporters need to be recognised not disregarded. Harry obviously you are entitled to your opinion but did Higgs and Co pay for the wages out of their own pocket the last two years. According to the accounts that we can see they were paid by the football club. DC's budget was parred back so credit should go to him and the playing management for cutting their cloth accordingly and still getting back to back promotions. And what about the Wonga style loan. If Higgs had still been in charge now following the defeat to Sainsbury would he have paid off the debt to save the club or continued to pursue Sainsbury? Much of that debt resulted from the persistent pursuit of Sainsbury even though they lost time and again? Harry perhaps you can answer this genuine question. Why does there seem to be so much bitterness coming out from people like Jim and other Higgs supporters towards the new Board even though we are in the best position we have been for years? Do Jim and those others believe the new Board are going to disappear?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:15:51 GMT
whos posted he should ;f off ; ? You're right - those "f off"comments were on Gaschat, but there are a couple of "should resign" comments in this thread, not needed - he fouled up, that's all. im one saying he should resign if he really feels what hes written he cant represent the fans imo
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Post by harrybuckle on May 21, 2016 19:46:42 GMT
I know Jim and wholeheartedly agree with his comments. Was a staggering PR disaster not to celebrate promotion via a bust our or a meal to thank the many unpaid volunteers who sustain the Club.The new owners came in and took the glory but Higgs and co paid for the wages of the players who obtained promotion. Supporters need to be recognised not disregarded. Harry obviously you are entitled to your opinion but did Higgs and Co pay for the wages out of their own pocket the last two years. According to the accounts that we can see they were paid by the football club. DC's budget was parred back so credit should go to him and the playing management for cutting their cloth accordingly and still getting back to back promotions. And what about the Wonga style loan. If Higgs had still been in charge now following the defeat to Sainsbury would he have paid off the debt to save the club or continued to pursue Sainsbury? Much of that debt resulted from the persistent pursuit of Sainsbury even though they lost time and again? Harry perhaps you can answer this genuine question. Why does there seem to be so much bitterness coming out from people like Jim and other Higgs supporters towards the new Board even though we are in the best position we have been for years? Do Jim and those others believe the new Board are going to disappear? I personally have not heard or seen much evidence to suggest bitterness towards the new board. I do know Dc still consulted Nick Higgs in the early months following the takeover. I do find that since Feb the credit appears to have been directed towards the new board....forgetting the previous six months when Higgs and co were at the helm. To many the promotion was a direct result of the takeover. I must admit I feel that is not fair to the previous board. Agreed the chasing of the appeal was unwarranted but that was the advice given by their lawyers.
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Post by lostinspace on May 21, 2016 20:22:56 GMT
Harry obviously you are entitled to your opinion but did Higgs and Co pay for the wages out of their own pocket the last two years. According to the accounts that we can see they were paid by the football club. DC's budget was parred back so credit should go to him and the playing management for cutting their cloth accordingly and still getting back to back promotions. And what about the Wonga style loan. If Higgs had still been in charge now following the defeat to Sainsbury would he have paid off the debt to save the club or continued to pursue Sainsbury? Much of that debt resulted from the persistent pursuit of Sainsbury even though they lost time and again? Harry perhaps you can answer this genuine question. Why does there seem to be so much bitterness coming out from people like Jim and other Higgs supporters towards the new Board even though we are in the best position we have been for years? Do Jim and those others believe the new Board are going to disappear? I personally have not heard or seen much evidence to suggest bitterness towards the new board. I do know Dc still consulted Nick Higgs in the early months following the takeover. I do find that since Feb the credit appears to have been directed towards the new board....forgetting the previous six months when Higgs and co were at the helm. To many the promotion was a direct result of the takeover. I must admit I feel that is not fair to the previous board. Agreed the chasing of the appeal was unwarranted but that was the advice given by their lawyers. when it comes to listening to lawyers the Higgs and co should have taken a backward step and looked at the scenario with a clear mind,it's not often Lawyers fail to make money, and here was an opportunity for them to make relatively easy money from someone chasing a dream!! Sainsbury would have chased this till the money ran out at BRFC .....and the majority of "unlearned " on this forum could see this was the case... how come experienced businessmen were unable to see it too? ..... Lawyers and their "experienced advice" along with loads of this ..£££££ at the end of the day!! thats why ......... thankfully some guy on a white horse rode into town and saved the day, has brought some "togetherness" to this club and all[well nearly] are reaping the benefit.. now hopefully its a steady progression to a higher standard of football ,larger gates, and eventually a new stadium[before i die]
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