warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on May 20, 2016 14:48:33 GMT
This is a terrible idea all round. I like watching my team play football. Why would I want fewer matches? Quality goes up? How?
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on May 20, 2016 15:02:52 GMT
On the face of it seems an idea to think about. But I am against it because I see it as a back way into getting PL reserve teams into our league. It will not be organised to benefit the League 1/2 or National League teams. It will be done under the heading of "best for English football." I wouldn't think many Championship clubs are going to vote for cutting the size of the division they are in, it's a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas. No doubt the PL would pay a lot if money to "persuade" some clubs to agree. It may generate more money because the PL will pay millions to the Football League to let their teams into ours. I would imagine something along the lines of those teams in the Champions League or those teams in the Elite Group of PL Clubs having their teams in the bottom division or something similar. However they do it, teams at the bottom will have it done to them rather than choosing to do it. I am very cynical about things like this, if they want to create conditions to help the English national team I think the changes have to come from the Premier League not by screwing us in the FL by cutting our income (4 less home matches). Some of these people must think we are stupid not to be able to see through them! UTG!
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strung out
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Post by strung out on May 20, 2016 15:03:01 GMT
This is a terrible idea all round. I like watching my team play football. Why would I want fewer matches? Quality goes up? Are you saying the quality of matches is worse when the players play more matches? Makes sense actually, as I was bored s**tless in the final few matches of this season.
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Post by faggotygas on May 20, 2016 15:11:05 GMT
A 5000 gate at say £15 per head x 4 games equals £300000. Can't see many lower league clubs being able to cope with this loss of revenue. Of course its not a simple as that - VAT, cost of staging the games, travel, player bonuses etc to be take off your income. Also, I doubt season tickets process will be reduced - more likely frozen, and it would give a good excuse for match day prices to go up in line.
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Post by lostinspace on May 20, 2016 18:14:54 GMT
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Post by 4figga on May 20, 2016 19:01:46 GMT
Unsuprising to see the teams more likely to end up in the new league are the ones that seem to be in favour so far.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 20:44:51 GMT
Why do we want to lose eight matches a season? Utter nonsense.
Its not a case of "nothing must change" at all. Just not the number of games or number of midweek games or number of teams in the League. There's no problem with any of them as it is.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 20, 2016 21:35:17 GMT
Surely NL clubs can have any opinion they want, much like Europeans they don't have a vote.
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strung out
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Post by strung out on May 20, 2016 22:25:31 GMT
Two of them will.
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Post by bs14gas on May 21, 2016 9:00:09 GMT
Are you saying the quality of matches is worse when the players play more matches? Makes sense actually, as I was bored s***less in the final few matches of this season. [ What do you think is the logic behind the proposal?
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Post by basel on May 21, 2016 11:15:02 GMT
There is no need for this suggestion,so is there an alternative motive other than pretending to stop fixture congestion and pretending save clubs money?
I am worried this could be devalueing of the lower divisions, so there will be less protest against the top clubs reserve teams playing in the say bottom two divisions. Are the Premier pulling a few strings here?
I am completely against this plan and if the day comes when the fixture list shows eg Cheltenham Town v Arsenal Reserves,i will walk away from supporting the professional game.
I don't trust these people who run our game.
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Post by topman on May 21, 2016 12:26:10 GMT
There is no need for this suggestion,so is there an alternative motive other than pretending to stop fixture congestion and pretending save clubs money? I am worried this could be devalueing of the lower divisions, so there will be less protest against the top clubs reserve teams playing in the say bottom two divisions. Are the Premier pulling a few strings here? I am completely against this plan and if the day comes when the fixture list shows eg Cheltenham Town v Arsenal Reserves,i will walk away from supporting the professional game. I don't trust these people who run our game. Completely agree with the above The FL claim they want to reduce fixture congestion but want to bring in additional games for JPT? They want to make the England team stronger? Then get the P L to reduce number of overseas players in our top clubs! The FA and FL have done absolutely NOTHING to reverse the playing participation at grass roots level This is a ploy all about marketing and money without the FL understanding what most fans want to improve our game ..... better officiating / bringing respect to the game / stepping on professional fouls / gamesmanship and the financial ability to attend games to support their clubs They are pricing us out! I would put supporting Rovers above England anytime and like the above poster have no interest in our team to be canon fodder to improve the strength of PL clubs I will NOT attend any games against teams that are PL reserves
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Post by bs14gas on May 21, 2016 14:56:37 GMT
Are you saying the quality of matches is worse when the players play more matches? Makes sense actually, as I was bored s***less in the final few matches of this season. I am not saying anything. I have a question mark which means I am asking a question, not making a statement.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 15:04:49 GMT
But hopefully less football league games that don’t matter. Wonder what the internet would have said with the creation of a second division, or the League Cup being created, or the play-off system? Why did they never change the 4 division to 3 up 3 down the same when the divisions merged? Things change and have done over 130 years.. don’t think it should be rubbished out of hand None of those changes meant there would be less matches to go to, did they?
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Post by Angas on May 21, 2016 19:21:00 GMT
So, if it had happened this season, would we still have been promoted or would we have stayed in the 'new' league 2?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:10:01 GMT
So, if it had happened this season, would we still have been promoted or would we have stayed in the 'new' league 2? We finished 51st in the league which would have put us in the 3rd out of 4. them would have been in the 1st!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:34:43 GMT
Let me quote that again. Nothing to add. Thank you. Makes sense actually, as I was bored s***less in the final few matches of this season.
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Post by irishrover on May 24, 2016 13:19:53 GMT
I think this is interesting and I actually believe the Football League itself has over the years gotten more things right than it has wrong so I'm inclined to listen to the rationale.
The idea of a 24 team league is quite arbitrary - I don't see any particular reason to be wedded to that number. If 24, why not 32?
I've always thought there was a decent case for a 5th division in the football league especially as the number of professional clubs has expanded. I also think there is an element of striking while the iron's hot about this. We're not the only lower league team to be of interest to foreign investors - it's something of a boom area, so I guess part of this is to expand the number of potential clubs that could be purchased and protect investments at the lower end.
I've always thought the number of teams going up and down should be higher (keeps things fresh, keeps clubs interested but also makes relegation itself less of catastrophe for club) so if it was 20 team leagues with 4 going up and down (and 4 dropping out) I think I would back that.
What I would not support is a mechanism to bring in Premiership 'A' teams via the back door - that should be resisted at all costs. I wonder if that is what the expansion of the Football League Trophy is actually about....
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 16:34:42 GMT
I don't want to swap my 23 game season ticket for a 19 game one. I don't care if its arbitrary, I'd rather go to more games than less. I'd back an idea to increase it to three divisions of 32 teams!
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Post by biggsy on May 24, 2016 20:33:08 GMT
I don't want to swap my 23 game season ticket for a 19 game one. I don't care if its arbitrary, I'd rather go to more games than less. I'd back an idea to increase it to three divisions of 32 teams! This!!
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