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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 1, 2014 23:06:27 GMT
Mr Mildenhall's agent, for reasons unknown to me, is circulating showreels of his fairly successful season for Bristol Rovers. As I am sure he is totally committed to you for the rest of his life I have no idea why this is. Possibly a failure of communication?
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Post by swissgas on Jun 2, 2014 0:20:04 GMT
Mr Mildenhall's agent, for reasons unknown to me, is circulating showreels of his fairly successful season for Bristol Rovers. As I am sure he is totally committed to you for the rest of his life I have no idea why this is. Possibly a failure of communication? Are you sure you are not really a mischievous Rovers fan ? I hope this information (if true) wakes my fellow Gasheads up. Ironically, those who questioned the direction we were taking way back in 2009 were told everything is fine at the club and the only criticism you could possibly level at the board would be for "a failure of communications".
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Post by davehuddscousin on Jun 2, 2014 0:32:35 GMT
Funny how all but one contributor are slagging JJ off. How many were on forums last summer urging him to sign for us. He may have had a poor end to the season, but without his goals we'd probably have been relegated by Easter. I've enjoyed watching his good performances, and I'm sorry to see him go, though not surprised.
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Post by empirebaypete on Jun 2, 2014 0:54:30 GMT
Mr Mildenhall's agent, for reasons unknown to me, is circulating showreels of his fairly successful season for Bristol Rovers. As I am sure he is totally committed to you for the rest of his life I have no idea why this is. Possibly a failure of communication? You can't really blame him. He obviously doesn't fancy a season or ? seasons in the conference. You would think that DC is aware of this. Maybe discussed after the season finished. I was a bit bemused why they got rid of Connor Gough so quickly. Maybe he was too expensive. Perhaps DC has another keeper lined up. Who knows?
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 2, 2014 5:03:25 GMT
A "relegation get out" is very common place both from players and clubs. The standard model contract of the PFA which all FL players have to join - in effect a closed shop union - contains a standard clause giving the player the right to release himself if the club he is playing for is relegated or the new terms at relegation level are not acceptable to him. By the other side of the coin the vast majority of football clubs reserve the right, sometimes specified by percentage amounts, to reduce the wages of players under contract if they are relegated during the terms of the contract. Indeed there have many angry arguments on message boards the length and breadth of Britain after supporters found out that their club had NOT included this clause and were left paying League One/Championship money/to players they were left with in a lower division. JJ would have get a get out at Colchester I am sure and probably will have wherever he goes. The club he goes to are likely to have the same percentage cut in wages get out (or should do if they know what they are doing). I find these get outs in any other walk of life entirely acceptable. If your employer wants to cut your wages having fallen on hard times you have two options a) take the pay cut or b) find another company who will at least pay your current rate and then tell your current employer to bugger off. Why should football - it's a job although one coveted by supporters - be any different? All well and good and I understand. All we hear at Rovers is though he has activated a clause in his contract or x player has actioned an option for another yea. Rovers said they wont do appearance based contracts, but players seem to excercise contract extensions every year When we went down to league two, NH said about how the players all had % cuts in wages and i can understand players having options to go, its just more annoying when the bloke couldnt be arsed. Incidentally i wonder if Mildenhall, McChrystal, Parkes have had to take pay cuts? I guess Harrold hasnt and if Smith or Brown have been offered deals, that must be the same or more money
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jun 2, 2014 6:20:09 GMT
JJ got dropped late in the season when we needed him to stand up most. You don't drop your best player (even for one game) at that stage unless some thing's amiss. So it's hard to conclude from that that he was putting in 100% for us.
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 2, 2014 6:54:35 GMT
Mr Mildenhall's agent, for reasons unknown to me, is circulating showreels of his fairly successful season for Bristol Rovers. As I am sure he is totally committed to you for the rest of his life I have no idea why this is. Possibly a failure of communication? Perfectly natural for agents to send out showreels of all of their clients to clubs, regardless of whether they want to leave or not. I believe it was Ollie who said he had over two thousand dvd's sent to him a couple of seasons ago and that they were stacked up in his office. Even Andy doorman had a showreel that was on Youtube at one point!
Don't read too much into it, i'm betting most of the Lincoln squad have their showreels in other clubs managers office as we speak...
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Post by LJG on Jun 2, 2014 8:42:43 GMT
JJ got dropped late in the season when we needed him to stand up most. You don't drop your best player (even for one game) at that stage unless some thing's amiss. So it's hard to conclude from that that he was putting in 100% for us. There is of course the slim possibility that the guy who dropped him isn't quite the footballing genius saviour some make him out to be and is, in fact, a clueless clueless clueless mug ... sorry I take that back ... they weren't his players ... you can't use common sense if they're not your players.
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Post by Gasheadtom on Jun 2, 2014 8:49:27 GMT
Yes he scored goals and won us a couple of games but when you look at it as a whole it wasn't enough, plus he was a sulking little school boy at times. It is worth stating he didn't say thanks to the board i wonder why? ..........
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 2, 2014 8:52:16 GMT
It was a tough decision for me to make," said O'Toole, who has been linked with moves to Chesterfield, Crewe Alexandra, Shorpe United and Southend United in recent weeks. "I know that some people will not believe that, but, at the end of the day I have to do what I feel is the best thing for my career. "I do feel bad about the fact that I am leaving the club just after we have been relegated and it was in the back of my mind to want to put things right. Things aren't always that simple though. "And after thinking about it long and hard I reached a decision that playing in the Conference, unfortunately, was not going to be right for me. "I want to thank everyone for the way they have treated me during my time at the club. "And I also want to wish everyone the best in the future. "I hope the majority of the supporters will understand that I am just trying to do the right thing for myself and my family. "I know that some of the supporters will be disappointed that I have decided against staying and there will be some bad feeling towards me. "That's fair enough. I can understand that, too."
No, I don't believe it was hard John-Joe. You are a tosser
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Post by Captain Jayho on Jun 2, 2014 8:59:26 GMT
JJ got dropped late in the season when we needed him to stand up most. You don't drop your best player (even for one game) at that stage unless some thing's amiss. So it's hard to conclude from that that he was putting in 100% for us. There is of course the slim possibility that the guy who dropped him isn't quite the footballing genius saviour some make him out to be and is, in fact, a clueless clueless clueless mug ... sorry I take that back ... they weren't his players ... you can't use common sense if they're not your players. Yes, that is absolutely a possibility LJH, no doubt. But you can only base your assumptions on the way people have come across to you so far. And on that basis JJ has spent his time making youtube videos telling us how great he is and then writing articles disparaging his team-mates and the club on the eve of the most important game in our history. Darryl on the other hand has talked honestly and openly throughout his time and has shown a heap of passion and empathy for the job at hand - albeit without getting the results we all wanted. It doesn't make him a football genius by any stretch but I'd back him in if he wants to drop players if and when he thought it was warranted. Opinions of course will differ on this!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 9:04:21 GMT
Waa, waa, waa, no one likes O'Toole any more.
O'Toole was not the problem last season, unfortunately he wasn't the answer either but come on half of this stuff is just guff. A similar thing happened with Hoskins who took a lot of the blame for being the stand out performer that couldn't keep us up.
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Post by Lazza on Jun 2, 2014 9:23:07 GMT
Well he's a bright spark ain't he?
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 2, 2014 9:25:26 GMT
Well he's a bright spark ain't he? The only disappointment is that he came here in the first place. I wonder if he can understand that from behind his massive ego.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 2, 2014 9:31:54 GMT
It's the bit about it being a hard decision to leave. He already told us he didn't really want to drop to League Two, so I don't see it as this really hard decision he says it is.
I'd rather he just f**k off without saying anything
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 2, 2014 9:57:35 GMT
Mr Mildenhall's agent, for reasons unknown to me, is circulating showreels of his fairly successful season for Bristol Rovers. As I am sure he is totally committed to you for the rest of his life I have no idea why this is. Possibly a failure of communication? Perfectly natural for agents to send out showreels of all of their clients to clubs, regardless of whether they want to leave or not. I believe it was Ollie who said he had over two thousand dvd's sent to him a couple of seasons ago and that they were stacked up in his office. Even Andy doorman had a showreel that was on Youtube at one point!
Don't read too much into it, i'm betting most of the Lincoln squad have their showreels in other clubs managers office as we speak... Everything you say is right and agents/players are, naturally enough, always up for a better deal. I'm just making the point - and I have no idea how much it will affect you - that it is hard to hang on to decent players in the Conference and hard to attract League players into it. As the Luton CEO said very recently there is unfortunately a sort of stigma attached to it. If your club has enough money to give it a big blast you may be fortunate.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 2, 2014 10:09:38 GMT
If Mildenhall is on also expected to take a 25% pay cut I can't blame him asking his agent to look for another club, Hereford's goalie, who was their POTY, has just informed them that he's leaving as he's fed up of their broken promises and I doubt he earns anything like Mildenhall's salary.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 2, 2014 11:20:45 GMT
I know and understand why you don't like JJ but he was quite liked by the lads in the dressing room at Colchester - he's actually quite quiet and reserved as they go and certainly not a noise machine in the dressing room. JW liked him at Colchester but insisted on playing him out of position (when he was fit which wasn't that often) which was hardly helpful. I know it wasn't enough but I thought that was a useful number of goals for you. I stress that I fully understand why he's not flavour of the month but I think there is a reasonable footballer there. He certainly doesn't help himself but the other side of the coin (can't say about your lot) are the players who can talk a wonderful game in the local paper but then completely fail to deliver. I think they annoy me more than JJ-type people but I'm old and it might just be my age. In the latter category fall those interviewed prior to an important game who say: "The lads all know how important this game is and we are all well up for it" which causes Old Person to reflect when you are 2-0 down at home after 10 minutes to incidents often described as schoolboy errors. Do you have insider knowledge from every dressing room and every boardroom in the land, or just most of them?
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Post by brizzle on Jun 2, 2014 14:21:15 GMT
Returning to the subject of John-Joe O'Toole, and his quite amazing disappearing act, does anyone know how BRFC stand regarding the ''undisclosed'' fee that they paid Colchester United for his services?
I quite understand that the club will not have to pay him for the remaining two years of his contract (and that will be a healthy saving in itself), but what about the fee? Is It just gone, like O'Toole? The Bristol Post is reporting that there was a relegation release clause inserted into his contract, but it does seem a funny way to run a business, it seems that someone was contemplating failure even then. I just hope that the ''undisclosed'' fee wasn't too eye-watering, but somehow I doubt it.
Looking on the bright side, it could be that the money that BRFC will receive as a result of Rickie Lambert's transfer will offset the loss on the O'Toole fiasco. I really would love to know how much we paid Colchester for him, but I don't suppose that I ever will.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 2, 2014 14:33:18 GMT
Returning to the subject of John-Joe O'Toole, and his quite amazing disappearing act, does anyone know how BRFC stand regarding the ''undisclosed'' fee that they paid Colchester United for his services? I quite understand that the club will not have to pay him for the remaining two years of his contract (and that will be a healthy saving in itself), but what about the fee? Is It just gone, like O'Toole? The Bristol Post is reporting that there was a relegation release clause inserted into his contract, but it does seem a funny way to run a business, it seems that someone was contemplating failure even then. I just hope that the ''undisclosed'' fee wasn't too eye-watering, but somehow I doubt it. Looking on the bright side, it could be that the money that BRFC will receive as a result of Rickie Lambert's transfer will offset the loss on the O'Toole fiasco. I really would love to know how much we paid Colchester for him, but I don't suppose that I ever will. This years accounts might give us an idea
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