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Post by gasheadnaboo on Jun 1, 2014 12:27:40 GMT
Attitude problem most definitely but imagine him playing for us in the skrill. He would tear teams apart. Glad to have the wage space though. laughing4 He is a dreadful player.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 1, 2014 12:37:54 GMT
Did he "tear" one team apart this season? Admitted, he got some useful goals but I can't recall one game where he dominated midfield.
As far as him thinking he's better than Div 2 how come only Southend seem interested in signing him?
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Post by GasMan on Jun 1, 2014 13:08:42 GMT
Thanks for your effort, shame you have a big attitude problem
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Jun 1, 2014 13:14:33 GMT
Oh dear, reading the Southend forum they seem to have the same approach to JJ as many rovers fans did last season.
They seem to believe that a player is entitled to have an attitude as long as they do the business on the pitch.
Southend are a good club with what seems like a tight bunch of players working for each other. They are going to have a hell of a shock if they sign JJ.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jun 1, 2014 13:42:43 GMT
£400k saved in wages for a player who blows cold colder and occasionally hot
Never wanted us to chase him in the summer, never wanted us to break budget and never ever wanted (if known ) a relegation clause
Imagine situation
Player not happy, knows he can get out if relegated, and has a free header in front of goal in last few minutes
Does he score, or does he miss
(clue he missed)
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Post by buckrippers on Jun 1, 2014 15:32:48 GMT
£400k saved in wages for a player who blows cold colder and occasionally hot Never wanted us to chase him in the summer, never wanted us to break budget and never ever wanted (if known ) a relegation clause Imagine situation. Player not happy, knows he can get out if relegated, and has a free header in front of goal in last few minutes Does he score, or does he miss (clue he missed) Yeah, took us down deliberately. Shocking allegation. I guess stupid relegation clauses leave you open to these kind of allegations, though. Should never have been written into his contract. He knew if he played well for us he would probably earn a move anyway, so totally unneccessary. If his agent talked Nick Higgs into this one then more fool our chairman (again...)
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Post by brizzle on Jun 1, 2014 15:44:08 GMT
Are we going to receive any money from this? Good question, and I'm certain that someone has the answer. My understanding is that O'Toole signed for an undisclosed fee, so he must have cost BRFC something. Were we daft enough to allow him (through his agent) to insert a clause in his three-year contract that he could leave for an undisclosed fee after one year, which he appears to have purchased himself? I'm clearly missing something here, nothing seems to add up. Explanations on a postcard please, to . . .
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 1, 2014 15:51:49 GMT
£400k saved in wages for a player who blows cold colder and occasionally hot Never wanted us to chase him in the summer, never wanted us to break budget and never ever wanted (if known ) a relegation clause Imagine situation Player not happy, knows he can get out if relegated, and has a free header in front of goal in last few minutes Does he score, or does he miss (clue he missed) Did he score? Edit: Never mind, I remember now.
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Post by GasPanic! on Jun 1, 2014 15:55:14 GMT
"Not arsed"
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Post by cagastrophy on Jun 1, 2014 16:09:54 GMT
limited umber of characters on Twitter
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jun 1, 2014 20:38:05 GMT
There were some warning that we should not have chased JJ O'Toole's signature before the start of this season, but I think most of us should remember the prolonged campaign by many fans to get him here (myself included). I'll be honest, I thought his "I should be playing higher up the league" attitude was just part of his quirky character, but it cannot have helped in what appears to be a pretty fractured dressing room last season.
John Ward only knows why he felt he could tame this wayward soul for the benefit of the team. He couldn't and it wasn't.
Good luck wherever he goes - I mean it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 20:47:04 GMT
I think continually berating O'Toole is futile. Like him or not, he was our best player for 2/3rds of the season and not the worst for the remaining third. If all the players had achieved as much as he did, in terms of goals and performances (before he got unpopular it was acceptable to admit that O'Toole did have some good games this season), we wouldn't have been anywhere near the bottom.
He strikes me as being a bit too honest off the pitch and probably not the brightest, but I actually don't mind that. If he thinks he's up to more than where he was with us, I'd rather hear that than endless platitudes about how great the fans are and what a big club we are.
The idea he missed that header towards the end of the Mansfield game on purpose is laughable.
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 1, 2014 20:49:15 GMT
I know and understand why you don't like JJ but he was quite liked by the lads in the dressing room at Colchester - he's actually quite quiet and reserved as they go and certainly not a noise machine in the dressing room. JW liked him at Colchester but insisted on playing him out of position (when he was fit which wasn't that often) which was hardly helpful.
I know it wasn't enough but I thought that was a useful number of goals for you. I stress that I fully understand why he's not flavour of the month but I think there is a reasonable footballer there. He certainly doesn't help himself but the other side of the coin (can't say about your lot) are the players who can talk a wonderful game in the local paper but then completely fail to deliver. I think they annoy me more than JJ-type people but I'm old and it might just be my age.
In the latter category fall those interviewed prior to an important game who say: "The lads all know how important this game is and we are all well up for it" which causes Old Person to reflect when you are 2-0 down at home after 10 minutes to incidents often described as schoolboy errors.
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Post by gashead1979 on Jun 1, 2014 21:20:46 GMT
Are we going to receive any money from this? Good question, and I'm certain that someone has the answer. My understanding is that O'Toole signed for an undisclosed fee, so he must have cost BRFC something. Were we daft enough to allow him (through his agent) to insert a clause in his three-year contract that he could leave for an undisclosed fee after one year, which he appears to have purchased himself? I'm clearly missing something here, nothing seems to add up. Explanations on a postcard please, to . . .
I find it hard to believe players at out level would have a relegation release clause, surely the pessimistic of gasheads would not have thought about that in the summer.
Could it not be a non-promotion release clause??
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 1, 2014 21:29:47 GMT
Good question, and I'm certain that someone has the answer. My understanding is that O'Toole signed for an undisclosed fee, so he must have cost BRFC something. Were we daft enough to allow him (through his agent) to insert a clause in his three-year contract that he could leave for an undisclosed fee after one year, which he appears to have purchased himself? I'm clearly missing something here, nothing seems to add up. Explanations on a postcard please, to . . .
I find it hard to believe players at out level would have a relegation release clause, surely the pessimistic of gasheads would not have thought about that in the summer.
Could it not be a non-promotion release clause??
Sounds like that was one of the reasons that it ensured he agreed to come here that he had the relegation release clause included.
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Post by Jester on Jun 1, 2014 21:44:03 GMT
In the last match, we saw him confront the ref and argue about a decision in such a way that it looked like he wanted to be sent off. Fortunately the ref decided against it, but it looked liked he 'wanted out' and I believe he did. He didn't want to be on the field at the end, knowing the reaction that the fans would give. I said this this at the time and stand by it................He was leaving us before the last game was played!
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 1, 2014 21:57:39 GMT
A "relegation get out" is very common place both from players and clubs. The standard model contract of the PFA which all FL players have to join - in effect a closed shop union - contains a standard clause giving the player the right to release himself if the club he is playing for is relegated or the new terms at relegation level are not acceptable to him.
By the other side of the coin the vast majority of football clubs reserve the right, sometimes specified by percentage amounts, to reduce the wages of players under contract if they are relegated during the terms of the contract. Indeed there have many angry arguments on message boards the length and breadth of Britain after supporters found out that their club had NOT included this clause and were left paying League One/Championship money/to players they were left with in a lower division.
JJ would have get a get out at Colchester I am sure and probably will have wherever he goes. The club he goes to are likely to have the same percentage cut in wages get out (or should do if they know what they are doing).
I find these get outs in any other walk of life entirely acceptable. If your employer wants to cut your wages having fallen on hard times you have two options a) take the pay cut or b) find another company who will at least pay your current rate and then tell your current employer to bugger off. Why should football - it's a job although one coveted by supporters - be any different?
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Post by lincolnfan on Jun 1, 2014 22:00:12 GMT
In the last match, we saw him confront the ref and argue about a decision in such a way that it looked like he wanted to be sent off. Fortunately the ref decided against it, but it looked liked he 'wanted out' and I believe he did. He didn't want to be on the field at the end, knowing the reaction that the fans would give. I said this this at the time and stand by it................He was leaving us before the last game was played! Cannot say about your match but he has a history of confronting refs and lino's. In some quarters it was briefly seen as a curious form of football passion. I understand all of you but I don't think JJ is going to work as the entire scapegoat for your current misfortune. I could of course be entirely wrong about this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 22:23:28 GMT
In the last match, we saw him confront the ref and argue about a decision in such a way that it looked like he wanted to be sent off. Fortunately the ref decided against it, but it looked liked he 'wanted out' and I believe he did. He didn't want to be on the field at the end, knowing the reaction that the fans would give. I said this this at the time and stand by it................He was leaving us before the last game was played! He was doing that all season. It's who he is. Bloody idiot bookings were tolerable when he was scoring goals though.
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Post by brimmers on Jun 1, 2014 22:52:46 GMT
On a good day could be quite brilliant but he didn't have many. As Manc has said a £400k saving over the next 2 years. Good riddance
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