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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 19:57:09 GMT
Then Plan A is still "more viable" than Plan B, isn't it. Not necessarily, plan A would be more viable to Higgs and co and plan b would be more viable to any would be consortium Yes, and Higgs was still in charge last time I looked.
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Post by bs5 on Jan 30, 2016 20:25:53 GMT
Higgs is indeed in charge 10/10 for your observational skills in which case plan B seems much more viable especially when you take into consideration Higgs past record
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 20:32:25 GMT
Higgs is indeed in charge 10/10 for your observational skills in which case plan B seems much more viable especially when you take into consideration Higgs past record If Higgs either "wins" £30m from Sainsburys or the so-called consortium, it doesn't make sense to be fighting a losing battle in court. He might as well just sell up?
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Post by bs5 on Jan 31, 2016 0:58:57 GMT
In his and his solicitors eyes they don't see it as a lost cause though do they ?
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Post by pressuredrop on Jan 31, 2016 12:00:34 GMT
Then Plan A is still "more viable" than Plan B, isn't it. Not necessarily, plan A would be more viable to Higgs and co and plan b would be more viable to any would be consortiumAnd And therein lies the problem. But which option is more beneficial to BRFC and the fans?
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 31, 2016 12:39:54 GMT
it sounds to me like £30m has got to be the first choice. As someone else put it, £30m for something which is worth £15m
given that the Appeal is on a no win/no fee basis, I can see why NH persisted with it. There will have been some costs, but if they are, say, £100k for the chance to win £15m it sounds worth a pop (the law is famously an ass)/odds worth taking
odd that the other directors wouldn't contribute though - maybe they have lost a bit of faith
and all the while prep for Plan B could go on quietly in the background maybe
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Post by fanatical on Jan 31, 2016 14:01:38 GMT
Not necessarily, plan A would be more viable to Higgs and co and plan b would be more viable to any would be consortiumAnd And therein lies the problem. But which option is more beneficial to BRFC and the fans? But plan B is not acceptable to SouthGlos Council or UWE and the Consortium offer is not a plan B - it is a positive alternative to Plan A
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Post by pressuredrop on Jan 31, 2016 15:20:03 GMT
And therein lies the problem. But which option is more beneficial to BRFC and the fans? But plan B is not acceptable to SouthGlos Council or UWE and the Consortium offer is not a plan B - it is a positive alternative to Plan A I was only surmising that the Consortium bid could be Plan B. I fully accept that it might not be - if it isn't then what is it and why is it not acceptable to South Glos Council or the UWE if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 31, 2016 16:04:03 GMT
And therein lies the problem. But which option is more beneficial to BRFC and the fans? But plan B is not acceptable to SouthGlos Council or UWE and the Consortium offer is not a plan B - it is a positive alternative to Plan A I wish someone would break cover on this offer. I am not going to be drawn into posting the stuff I've been told as I have learned, the hard way, people can get angry if they think you know more than they. What I don't understand is that IF this offer is real, I believe it is btw, why doesn't NH take it and be done ? Life really is too short and the stress he must be feeling, well, I personally don't believe it's worth going through. Here hoping to hear some positive news very soon. UTG
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Post by LPGas on Jan 31, 2016 16:14:12 GMT
I really don't think there is a consortium. I think that there are a couple of people who want to invest in the club if we get the money from Sainsburys. If we don't then I think we will be tenants at the UWE
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Jan 31, 2016 16:42:07 GMT
Sextoy has disappeared, along with the prospect of our over due new stadium; taxi for higgs and boycie. utg
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Post by matealotblue on Jan 31, 2016 17:02:11 GMT
But plan B is not acceptable to SouthGlos Council or UWE and the Consortium offer is not a plan B - it is a positive alternative to Plan A I wish someone would break cover on this offer. I am not going to be drawn into posting the stuff I've been told as I have learned, the hard way, people can get angry if they think you know more than they. What I don't understand is that IF this offer is real, I believe it is btw, why doesn't NH take it and be done ? Life really is too short and the stress he must be feeling, well, I personally don't believe it's worth going through. Here hoping to hear some positive news very soon. UTG More chance of some one breaking wind!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 31, 2016 17:04:36 GMT
Sextoy has disappeared, along with the prospect of our over due new stadium; taxi for higgs and boycie. utg Are you saying he is no longer a non executive director?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 17:14:37 GMT
But plan B is not acceptable to SouthGlos Council or UWE and the Consortium offer is not a plan B - it is a positive alternative to Plan A I wish someone would break cover on this offer. I am not going to be drawn into posting the stuff I've been told as I have learned, the hard way, people can get angry if they think you know more than they. What I don't understand is that IF this offer is real, I believe it is btw, why doesn't NH take it and be done ? Life really is too short and the stress he must be feeling, well, I personally don't believe it's worth going through. Here hoping to hear some positive news very soon. UTG Come on KP. The club is worth the value of its landholding minus its debts (say £8 million). NH owns just over half the club. Until the courts say that there isn't, there might be a contract that makes the land worth £30 million. Therefore, the value of the club is £22 million (of which £11 million and a bit goes to NH in any outright sale). Without that contract, the land's worth £12m to £15m (probably at the lower end of that because we'll be in fire sale mode given the financial mess we'll be in). That values the club as low as £4m (£2m and a bit to NH: he's £9m down). I think you have a little longer to wait.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 17:28:13 GMT
I'd forgotten, or never noticed, the Ed Ware / Chris Jelf lead on this, with the implication that it was brought to Nick Higgs as a suggestion.
Could this be like the PR advisor, where it looks like help and advice were offered, accepted, and announced, but never taken up?
Maybe we should open a new file labelled 'great new starts and promises that things will be improved, but which were never heard of again'. We could include the top to bottom review as well.
Then again, maybe Colin Sextone's currently dotting the Is and crossing the Ts on a fabulous new way of working*. Fingers crossed.
* No-one mention Mike Turl and what happened the last time internal pressure for change was fobbed off by allowing someone to do that.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 31, 2016 17:31:17 GMT
I wish someone would break cover on this offer. I am not going to be drawn into posting the stuff I've been told as I have learned, the hard way, people can get angry if they think you know more than they. What I don't understand is that IF this offer is real, I believe it is btw, why doesn't NH take it and be done ? Life really is too short and the stress he must be feeling, well, I personally don't believe it's worth going through. Here hoping to hear some positive news very soon. UTG Come on KP. The club is worth the value of its landholding minus its debts (say £8 million). NH owns just over half the club. Until the courts say that there isn't, there might be a contract that makes the land worth £30 million. Therefore, the value of the club is £22 million (of which £11 million and a bit goes to NH in any outright sale). Without that contract, the land's worth £12m to £15m (probably at the lower end of that because we'll be in fire sale mode given the financial mess we'll be in). That values the club as low as £4m (£2m and a bit to NH: he's £9m down). I think you have a little longer to wait. Yes, I understand that but I will never understand the bullish attitude and seeming denial of any chance that Justice proud man may have got it right. IF this offer is for the taking then it's a definite thing whereas the court route is not & is open to a never ending series of appeals. If it were me, I would hope I would have the humility and dignity to take the offer and get back to enjoying being a real fan. When I say real fan, look at Darryl Eales, the same one that made an offer of investment in us. He was on the terraces with the Oxford fans. Nick used to stand on the tote end. I know it's much easier for me to pass comment when not in battle per se but surely, you only have to look at him to see he is not handling this well. He has aged and doesn't look well Each to their own fella, maybe the battles are what sustain him ?
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Post by bs5 on Jan 31, 2016 17:53:02 GMT
And therein lies the problem. But which option is more beneficial to BRFC and the fans? But plan B is not acceptable to SouthGlos Council or UWE and the Consortium offer is not a plan B - it is a positive alternative to Plan A Have you inside information ? If you have share plan b's outline please for the benefit of the audience
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Post by bs5 on Jan 31, 2016 18:37:20 GMT
Silence is deafening
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Jan 31, 2016 18:46:38 GMT
Or it could be 'folklore' and 'gas mythology' to gloss over another failure and to create a so - called new vision. Will a point come when fans will finally accept there is 'nothing doing'. This is now the 5th project in 20 years and a record breaking fact that we haven't built a seated stand since 1959.
I would of thought a sensible approach would be to evaluate pass failures and find ways to repay the millions lost on poor decisions. Perhaps if we are open and honest about this we could in 5 years time consider plans F G H. But I don't buy these 'pipe dreams ' and green pastures anymore...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 18:48:11 GMT
Or it could be 'folklore' and 'gas mythology' to gloss over another failure and to create a so - called new vision. Will a point come when fans will finally accept there is 'nothing doing'. This is now the 5th project in 20 years and a record breaking fact that we haven't built a seated stand since 1959. I would of thought a sensible approach would be to evaluate pass failures and find ways to repay the millions lost on poor decisions. Perhaps if we are open and honest about this we could in 5 years time consider plans F G H. But I don't buy these 'pipe dreams ' and green pastures anymore... What blind bit of difference does it make if fans accept there is nothing doing or not?
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