LPGas
Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Oct 21, 2015 21:20:59 GMT
Did anyone else think he looked totally lost against Notts Cheaty? He was on 10 minutes before he got a touch, and that was a bad one. My own opinion is that he just isn't good enough for the league and that he is no better now than he was when he joined us.
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Blisset
Oct 21, 2015 21:29:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 21:29:57 GMT
He didn't have a great game but a striker not getting a touch for ten minutes is surely more to do with supply than anything else?
He needs to toughen up, I think.
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Alfie Biggs
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 21, 2015 21:52:03 GMT
Did anyone else think he looked totally lost against Notts Cheaty? He was on 10 minutes before he got a touch, and that was a bad one. My own opinion is that he just isn't good enough for the league and that he is no better now than he was when he joined us. I rather think DC is of the same opinion, although couldn't comment on last nights game as I wasn't there. Must admit I do feel sorry for the guy as clearly by loaning him out from the beginning of the season it's been made rather obvious we'd like him to move on but assume we've had no offers. I would much rather we recalled Jamie Lucas back from his loan and put him on the bench, seeing him in preseason and from his brief 2nd half cameo against Plymouth I thought he was ready to go into the squad for this season. |
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Oct 21, 2015 21:57:46 GMT
He's not being played in his position of running at defenders like he did when he played for Kiddy against us; he upset the defence and that's why we got him, then did not play him that way - stuck record I know, so I'll shut up.
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Alfie Biggs
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 21, 2015 22:07:17 GMT
He's not being played in his position of running at defenders like he did when he played for Kiddy against us; he upset the defence and that's why we got him, then did not play him that way - stuck record I know, so I'll shut up. I entirely agree with you, but unfortunately he just doesn't have the skill to hold the ball up in play, that's been obvious from the start but I remember his finish away to Chester last season when he was running onto balls played into the goal mouth or preseason as well but we aren't going to play or adapt to his strengths now are we. I don't know whether it is now purely a confidence attitude affecting his ability to control the ball but he appears to be woefully inadequate in that skill set now but of course he's also said that he doesn't have a nasty streak in him to play the aggressive front man either so it appears it would be better for all concerned that he moves on and finds a club that can accommodate the ability he does have but I can't help feeling sorry for him that it hasn't worked out for him here because he is such a nice bloke, so I'll also shut up too. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2015 22:46:00 GMT
I agree with the salient points made above (which don't conflict).
The irony is, we have struggled to score goals in clusters of matches since his arrival, and he still hasn't fully been given an uninterrupted run of games.
It isn't good to spend a season not starting when you're young, hungry and in your prime, and I fear that by dithering (about making mind up about his future) much longer, is going to viewed later as a waste of everyone's time signing him in the first place.
After his wonderful show versus us at the Mem, it would never surprise me it was on the table our hand was forced to sign him, if not for any other reason he could be potentially devastating for one of our promotion rivals.
I like the lad. I hope we can find a place for him.
It's just such a shame at the moment he hasn't fulfilled his potential. But then, over the years, I'm guessing we can all feel like that about lost players..
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 21, 2015 23:04:34 GMT
I agree with the salient points made above (which don't conflict). The irony is, we have struggled to score goals in clusters of matches since his arrival, and he still hasn't fully been given an uninterrupted run of games. It isn't good to spend a season not starting when you're young, hungry and in your prime, and I fear that by dithering (about making mind up about his future) much longer, is going to viewed later as a waste of everyone's time signing him in the first place. After his wonderful show versus us at the Mem, it would never surprise me it was on the table our hand was forced to sign him, if not for any other reason he could be potentially devastating for one of our promotion rivals. I like the lad. I hope we can find a place for him. It's just such a shame at the moment he hasn't fulfilled his potential. But then, over the years, I'm guessing we can all feel like that about lost players.. There are some moments when I actually think we signed the wrong player from Kiddiminster, a bit like when AC Milan signed Luther Blissett from Watford when most people thought that it was John Barnes they were really after  Who else was playing up front that day with him from Kiddiminster, anyone know, could there have been a mistaken identify ? |
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Alfie Biggs
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 21, 2015 23:08:58 GMT
Did anyone else think he looked totally lost against Notts Cheaty? He was on 10 minutes before he got a touch, and that was a bad one. My own opinion is that he just isn't good enough for the league and that he is no better now than he was when he joined us. Against Wycombe in the JPT he waited that long on the touch line before he even got on the pitch, the poor lad, we were offering our coats to him at one stage, it was becoming that embarrassing making him wait that long. I think he was on in the end for 2 or 3 minutes at most before the final whistle went. |
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Blisset
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 23:15:20 GMT
I agree with the salient points made above (which don't conflict). The irony is, we have struggled to score goals in clusters of matches since his arrival, and he still hasn't fully been given an uninterrupted run of games. It isn't good to spend a season not starting when you're young, hungry and in your prime, and I fear that by dithering (about making mind up about his future) much longer, is going to viewed later as a waste of everyone's time signing him in the first place. After his wonderful show versus us at the Mem, it would never surprise me it was on the table our hand was forced to sign him, if not for any other reason he could be potentially devastating for one of our promotion rivals. I like the lad. I hope we can find a place for him. It's just such a shame at the moment he hasn't fulfilled his potential. But then, over the years, I'm guessing we can all feel like that about lost players.. There are some moments when I actually think we signed the wrong player from Kiddiminster, a bit like when AC Milan signed Luther Blissett from Watford when most people thought that it was John Barnes they were really after Who else was playing up front that day with him from Kiddiminster, anyone know, could there have been a mistaken identify ? I'm sure you don't mean it to be, but that comes across as kind of offensive. However am I alone in thinking he didn't have an especially great game against us for Kidderminster last season? He scored a header from a corner, but his all-round play wasn't that great. He got the ball and ran with it a bit, looked scary at first but we soon learnt he wasn't going anywhere with it. Having said that, I like him and reckon he's a natural finisher. He doesn't miss many, but the service to him has been abysmal since he's been here for the most part. |
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Alfie Biggs
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 21, 2015 23:31:29 GMT
There are some moments when I actually think we signed the wrong player from Kiddiminster, a bit like when AC Milan signed Luther Blissett from Watford when most people thought that it was John Barnes they were really after Who else was playing up front that day with him from Kiddiminster, anyone know, could there have been a mistaken identify ? I'm sure you don't mean it to be, but that comes across as kind of offensive. However am I alone in thinking he didn't have an especially great game against us for Kidderminster last season? He scored a header from a corner, but his all-round play wasn't that great. He got the ball and ran with it a bit, looked scary at first but we soon learnt he wasn't going anywhere with it. Having said that, I like him and reckon he's a natural finisher. He doesn't miss many, but the service to him has been abysmal since he's been here for the most part. If I called him 'bl**dy useless' that would be offensive but i) I don't think he is, ii) he is a really nice young man and iii) my comment about the mistaken identity was purely tongue in cheek comparatively to the Blissett/Barnes signing. Isn't he related to Luther, I thought I heard someone comment about that when we signed him ? |
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Blisset
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 23:37:05 GMT
He is Luther's nephew, but I was thinking more along the lines that the idea he was so bad we must've signed him by mistake was offensive.
The AC Milan John Barnes thing is a myth anyway, based (I reckon at least) on a 1980s attitude to black people all looking the same. It was a s**t joke then and it certainly hasn't improved with time.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 22, 2015 1:47:47 GMT
Has had barely one or two really decent performances for us since he joined. I actually want the lad to be a total star for us, but I just don't think it is going to be. How much longer can we keep up with the 'give him a chance' or 'he will come good eventually'.
Certainly can't afford passengers in this squad. Would like to see a bit more of Jamie Lucas from the bench in the second half of the season, fully trust DC for knowing when the best time will be for that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 6:48:46 GMT
I can't see anything wrong with continually saying "give him a chance" until he's been given one.
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Post by simonj on Oct 22, 2015 8:57:38 GMT
Hmm, he could have touched the ball a little earlier, apart from the fact he cant compete in the air with the centre half for balls played up. Both Taylor and Harrison can win and protect the ball better. So that's not his strength, but unfortunately due to has stature you will expect him to be an outlet to balls played up. As for waiting 10 minutes coat on and off, so what, it wasn't cold, hes a professional and should be warmed up at will. No issues there. Does he have potential, probably. He has a lot of work to put in and playing in the first team, even for half an hour must help him develop, but I'm not seeing to much of it. More reserve games pronto, listen and learn from coaches.
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Post by severnbeachline on Oct 22, 2015 9:00:23 GMT
He should be kept on purely for meme capital.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 22, 2015 9:31:01 GMT
Unfortunately we can't afford to give him a run of games. That should have been done in pre season when he looked on decent form against the non league teams but then was not given a chance even then against the decent teams. The same can be said of Montano It might sound stupid but it is not easy to come off the bench with no regular games behind you and then do enough to get a place in the side. Ellis and in some ways Matty taylor are the only two who can do it but are completely different cases because they both do get plenty of game time.
The unfortunate thing with Montano is that when he does get brought on ,other than Plymouth when I thought he did well (wide right) he has been brought on not out wide but it would appear to be sort of in the hole with Brown bombing forward similar to what Monkhouse played. In two of the games he has been brought on he actually has found space to get a chance but was offside the other night.
It must be very frustrating for both players and we as supporters should perhaps be a little more understanding of their predicament as I do feel there is almost a "you are in or you are out" with DC. Balanta was very similar last season.
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Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Oct 22, 2015 10:22:02 GMT
Unfortunately we can't afford to give him a run of games. That should have been done in pre season when he looked on decent form against the non league teams but then was not given a chance even then against the decent teams. The same can be said of Montano It might sound stupid but it is not easy to come off the bench with no regular games behind you and then do enough to get a place in the side. Ellis and in some ways Matty taylor are the only two who can do it but are completely different cases because they both do get plenty of game time. The unfortunate thing with Montano is that when he does get brought on ,other than Plymouth when I thought he did well (wide right) he has been brought on not out wide but it would appear to be sort of in the hole with Brown bombing forward similar to what Monkhouse played. In two of the games he has been brought on he actually has found space to get a chance but was offside the other night. It must be very frustrating for both players and we as supporters should perhaps be a little more understanding of their predicament as I do feel there is almost a "you are in or you are out" with DC. Balanta was very similar last season. I agree with you. I felt we didn't make the most of Balanta but having said that we don't see them in training |
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Oct 22, 2015 10:37:00 GMT
We saw him in the penalty shoot out!
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 22, 2015 13:31:23 GMT
Regretfully he was a panic buy ..when everyone said in Conference you need a big guy upfront
He has proven to be a poor signing and not up to FL standard.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 22, 2015 14:33:56 GMT
Regretfully he was a panic buy ..when everyone said in Conference you need a big guy upfront He has proven to be a poor signing and not up to FL standard. agree it is looking that way. He does show sparks though, and is a little bit of a crowd-pleaser I think, and there is still room to hope that it will turn around |
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