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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 12:06:15 GMT
Sorry, KP, but that is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen on here..... I'm sat here with mouth wide open at what you are saying. "A shameful human being"? Wow, what an over exaggeration. He's a professional sportsman with a reasonably short career, he is entitled to attempt to get the best deal possible along the way. I'm not a fan of players having agents or holding clubs to ransom either (if that's what even happened here) but shameful? Bloody hell. Save your ire for the likes of Lee Hughes, Luke McCormick, David Pipe etc who really HAVE committed shameful behaviour. And comparing it to someone who suffers from mental illness and suggesting he might have bipolar disorder is doubly disrespectful. Disresepctful to O'Toole for the reason I have already stated and disrespectful to those who really do suffer from mental illness. I have a good few friends who suffer from either or both and they will simply love being compared to a footballer who is maybe guilty of being selfish. From someone who claims that the forums made him ill but doesn't like to mention it (then proceeds to mention it yet again), you have a downright cheek to throw a slur like that at a footballer. No wonder a lot of players these days don't read forums or social media..... with crap like that on there, who blames them.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 20, 2015 12:44:17 GMT
Sorry, KP, but that is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen on here..... I'm sat here with mouth wide open at what you are saying. "A shameful human being"? Wow, what an over exaggeration. He's a professional sportsman with a reasonably short career, he is entitled to attempt to get the best deal possible along the way. I'm not a fan of players having agents or holding clubs to ransom either (if that's what even happened here) but shameful? Bloody hell. Save your ire for the likes of Lee Hughes, Luke McCormick, David Pipe etc who really HAVE committed shameful behaviour. And comparing it to someone who suffers from mental illness and suggesting he might have bipolar disorder is doubly disrespectful. Disresepctful to O'Toole for the reason I have already stated and disrespectful to those who really do suffer from mental illness. I have a good few friends who suffer from either or both and they will simply love being compared to a footballer who is maybe guilty of being selfish. From someone who claims that the forums made him ill but doesn't like to mention it (then proceeds to mention it yet again), you have a downright cheek to throw a slur like that at a footballer. No wonder a lot of players these days don't read forums or social media..... with crap like that on there, who blames them. I don't know why you have taken it so personally ? I mention the bipolar because I know a bit about it and I made an educated guess as to why he would act in such a manner that it actually hurts him. Why would someone, who knows the media are on him, act like he did and then do interviews such as he did and the timing of certain interviews. You and I have a different opinion on that, that's no big deal as, after all, aren't forums about opinions ? I don't expect others to agree with me and I can actually enjoy it when someone has a different opinion and it actually ends up educating me. I don't claim to be right or have all the answers but I'll try and put it another way for you. Look at others who were at the club, when we got relegated, many stayed and wanted the chance to put right what went wrong, Smith, Brown and Parkes turned down offers and I believe a couple of others did too but I will stick to who I know did have offers. I feel honour is now a word that seems to lack meaning in many and I think JJOT certainly lacked that and also did himself and the team no favours at all, by some of the remarks he made and in the way he played, lacking self control and getting booked & sent off when the team needed him. I read up on his past while at previous clubs and also now, at Northampton and I don't see a guy that is doing more or anything at all, to change that. I find that disrespectful and shameful, if you are ok with that then that is of course your prerogative. I then can't help but wonder why a guy, who has capability but doesn't seem to be able to be consistent, I ask myself why ? I draw my own conclusions, as do we all, in the final analysis. I didn't make a statement that was definitive and I am not a psychiatrist to say, for definite, that he is bipolar but I can't help but wonder if he does in fact suffer. There are many that do and it's a great shame that there is still that stigma that surrounds mental illness. BTW please do tell me where I have ever said that I don't like talking about it as that would be interesting. I can't help but talk about things from my perspective, as do we all. The fact that I am ill has never been a secret nor have I ever implied that I want it to be. What I have said, in the past & I still feel this way, is that I don't want any pity because it makes me soft and I can't allow myself that luxury. JJOT, a little bit selfish. I couldn't help but laugh at that one. Sorry if you find that offensive but he has shown himself to be consistently selfish and to have an awful attitude. You only have to do very little research to see this and how other team mates and managers have viewed him. To try and turn this into me showing disrespect to those of US with mental illness is a bit low mate but, as I have said, it's your prerogative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 13:04:13 GMT
I've no issue with what KP has posted at all, but I do take issue with the idea that talking about mental illness is a "slur".
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Post by strung out on Oct 20, 2015 14:17:59 GMT
I've no issue with what KP has posted at all, but I do take issue with the idea that talking about mental illness is a "slur". I take issue with the statement that O'Toole is a shameful human being while speculating that he might suffer from a mental illness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 14:32:21 GMT
I've no issue with what KP has posted at all, but I do take issue with the idea that talking about mental illness is a "slur". I take issue with the statement that O'Toole is a shameful human being while speculating that he might suffer from a mental illness. Good point. But the discussion of mental illness isn't wrong, and O'Toole does seem to struggle with motivation for some reason. He's not a shameful person by any stretch though. Just a footballer.
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Post by strung out on Oct 20, 2015 14:35:05 GMT
Yep, totally agreed.
If you're a shameful human being for being a bit lazy at work and trying to make a decent living with minimal effort, then I'm probably the most shameful human being of them all.
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Post by strung out on Oct 20, 2015 14:36:25 GMT
And if my boss reads this, I'm definitely on a tea break.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 20, 2015 15:35:35 GMT
Yep, totally agreed. If you're a shameful human being for being a bit lazy at work and trying to make a decent living with minimal effort, then I'm probably the most shameful human being of them all. Just taken out of context I think. What I maybe should have said was that his behaviour was shameful and I stand by that. I think that the team we have now, mainly due to DC's work ethic, are an example of the other end of that spectrum. Pits fantastic to have players who now show the fight and will to battle up until the final whistle. Leadbitter is a great example of a young player who is progressing through the ranks and is showing a determination to do his best, in every way. Somerimes, you can have a team that has not got star quality on paper but overcome that with sheer effort. This team we have now really reminds me of the Twerton period where the desire to win overcame any doubts over ability of any single player
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Post by brizzle on Oct 20, 2015 16:03:46 GMT
Yep, totally agreed. If you're a shameful human being for being a bit lazy at work and trying to make a decent living with minimal effort, then I'm probably the most shameful human being of them all. Just taken out of context I think. What I maybe should have said was that his behaviour was shameful and I stand by that. I think that the team we have now, mainly due to DC's work ethic, are an example of the other end of that spectrum. Pits fantastic to have players who now show the fight and will to battle up until the final whistle. Leadbitter is a great example of a young player who is progressing through the ranks and is showing a determination to do his best, in every way. Somerimes, you can have a team that has not got star quality on paper but overcome that with sheer effort. This team we have now really reminds me of the Twerton period where the desire to win overcame any doubts over ability of any single player Well said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 23:38:29 GMT
I've no issue with what KP has posted at all, but I do take issue with the idea that talking about mental illness is a "slur". Sorry, Astafjevs, maybe "slur" was the wrong word to use in that context. It wasn't intended to come out as a negative. Of course the discussion about mental illness isn't wrong and I agree with that But to say that you believe a player may have a mental illness just because he acts in a different way than most other players would/ do react is demeaning those who genuinely suffer from it.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 21, 2015 3:06:04 GMT
Was this thread applauding Leadbitter? How it's digressed!!
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 21, 2015 10:47:42 GMT
Was this thread applauding Leadbitter? How it's digressed!! Yeh, they should have started a new thread titled 'Deluded ex Bristol Rovers players' !
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 21, 2015 12:08:18 GMT
I've no issue with what KP has posted at all, but I do take issue with the idea that talking about mental illness is a "slur". Sorry, Astafjevs, maybe "slur" was the wrong word to use in that context. It wasn't intended to come out as a negative. Of course the discussion about mental illness isn't wrong and I agree with that But to say that you believe a player may have a mental illness just because he acts in a different way than most other players would/ do react is demeaning those who genuinely suffer from it. I have and do suffer with it though, unlike you, I don't feel I am a spokesman for all of the others who deal with it. I have explained why I said what I said in anycase, when someone constantly "seems" to not only not perform as expected but then "seems" to have a destructive side to them then I think it's fair to wonder why that is. I don't know why you have taken it so personally but there you go. Sorry to the OP that this went the wrong way as I did try to steer it back to the topic in hand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 14:44:08 GMT
Sorry, Astafjevs, maybe "slur" was the wrong word to use in that context. It wasn't intended to come out as a negative. Of course the discussion about mental illness isn't wrong and I agree with that But to say that you believe a player may have a mental illness just because he acts in a different way than most other players would/ do react is demeaning those who genuinely suffer from it. I have and do suffer with it though, unlike you, I don't feel I am a spokesman for all of the others who deal with it. I have explained why I said what I said in anycase, when someone constantly "seems" to not only not perform as expected but then "seems" to have a destructive side to them then I think it's fair to wonder why that is. I don't know why you have taken it so personally but there you go. Sorry to the OP that this went the wrong way as I did try to steer it back to the topic in hand. Firstly, I have lived with someone with a mental illness so I do feel reasonably educated to speak on it. I'm not a spokesman as you so crassly suggest, merely someone who understands a little about how the mind works. Secondly, I haven't taken it personally and I'm not the only one who took issue with your comments. The other person, probably wisely, made his comments and left it there rather than take your poor comments up with you. Finally, and to genuinely put it back on topic, Leadbitter really impressed me when you won at Huish Park earlier this season. I'd have him in our team and play him further up the flank because for all our problems this season, our right sided defender isn't one of them. It's the other ten that I have issues with.....
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Post by brizzle on Oct 21, 2015 15:15:28 GMT
I have and do suffer with it though, unlike you, I don't feel I am a spokesman for all of the others who deal with it. I have explained why I said what I said in anycase, when someone constantly "seems" to not only not perform as expected but then "seems" to have a destructive side to them then I think it's fair to wonder why that is. I don't know why you have taken it so personally but there you go. Sorry to the OP that this went the wrong way as I did try to steer it back to the topic in hand. Firstly, I have lived with someone with a mental illness so I do feel reasonably educated to speak on it. I'm not a spokesman as you so crassly suggest, merely someone who understands a little about how the mind works. Secondly, I haven't taken it personally and I'm not the only one who took issue with your comments. The other person, probably wisely, made his comments and left it there rather than take your poor comments up with you. Finally, and to genuinely put it back on topic, Leadbitter really impressed me when you won at Huish Park earlier this season. I'd have him in our team and play him further up the flank because for all our problems this season, our right sided defender isn't one of them. It's the other ten that I have issues with..... As an old campaigner OG, I'm certain that you won't mind me pointing out to you that most teams win at Huish Park this season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 15:28:32 GMT
Firstly, I have lived with someone with a mental illness so I do feel reasonably educated to speak on it. I'm not a spokesman as you so crassly suggest, merely someone who understands a little about how the mind works. Secondly, I haven't taken it personally and I'm not the only one who took issue with your comments. The other person, probably wisely, made his comments and left it there rather than take your poor comments up with you. Finally, and to genuinely put it back on topic, Leadbitter really impressed me when you won at Huish Park earlier this season. I'd have him in our team and play him further up the flank because for all our problems this season, our right sided defender isn't one of them. It's the other ten that I have issues with..... As an old campaigner OG, I'm certain that you won't mind me pointing out to you that most teams win at Huish Park this season. Ain't that the case, Brizzle. Ten wins in our last 53 home league matches is terrible form. Still, er, best get back on topic. Please?
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