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Post by Gregory Stevens on Aug 12, 2015 6:19:36 GMT
Clarke at rb
Lockyer at cb
O Clarke at cm before Lockyer
Sincs cm only. If you need to rotate sinc and lines, so be it
Leadbetter works best in 3 5 2
3 5 2 could accommodate lines and sinc
3 5 2 is a formation we play well
Gosling is better than I thought
We clearly play better against football teams
Harrison or bliss is the partner for Easter. Taylor Easter is too lightweight unless against lightweight teams
Oh, did I say Lockyer at cb. I know mmc is good , but players get injured and lose their place, it's called meritocracy. If Lockyer doesn't start there sat then it's madness. Except.....mmc is older and stronger so big lumps might be better suited to parkes mmc.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 12, 2015 6:29:44 GMT
Easter looked unfit again last night
When Taylor came on Harrison Was a far better player
Leadbetter won't be at the club much longer if he keeps playing like that
Tom Lockyer - best game for a long while
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Aug 12, 2015 8:04:00 GMT
Easter looked out of touch, will need a few more games to get his sharpness back. Tom Lockyer played well at the back in a three, which is only real position, I don't know what DC is thinking ever playing in midfield or at full back, the kid like the ball coming on to him. Same for Sinclair he is best as a central midfielder, wasted on the wing.
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Post by Richard on Aug 12, 2015 8:28:04 GMT
3 5 2 is a formation we play well When? We played the majority of last season using a 4-4-2 so why change it when promoted? It is not just you by any means but I don't understand the clamour for 5-3-2. Can you name the last team that achieved anything playing that way? By my reckoning nobody of any note has used it since the 90's. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 8:34:57 GMT
Last night wasn't a strict 3-5-2, there was a fluidity to it. When players from the back went forward (all the back line did at times but mainly Leadbitter & Brown) we reverted to a 4-4-2. 3-5-2 worked last night as it allowed us to flood the midfield with Clarke & Sinclair holding and breaking up play.
Easter missed the first two or maybe three pre-season matches? He's a couple of weeks behind everyone else IMO, we have to remember last night he was up against good opposition.
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Post by vaughan on Aug 12, 2015 8:42:47 GMT
City used 5-3-2 last season and won the League.
Unfortunately, they were very good as the League Table reflected.
You need excellent attacking wing-backs and someone in the 3 who will be a massive attacking threat.
In Little, Bryan and their key signing, Freeman, they were blessed with players who won League 1 Player accolades.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 8:44:18 GMT
City used 5-3-2 last season and won the League. Unfortunately, they were very good as the League Table reflected. You need excellent attacking wing-backs and someone in the 3 who will be a massive attacking threat. In Little, Bryan and their key signing, Freeman, they were blessed with players who won League 1 Player accolades. Bully for them! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 8:45:33 GMT
City used 5-3-2 last season and won the League. Unfortunately, they're all scum. You need excellent attacking wing-backs and someone in the 3 who will be a massive attacking threat. In Little, Bryan and their key signing, Freeman, they were blessed with scum who won League 1 Player accolades. Edited for truth |
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 12, 2015 8:50:39 GMT
3 5 2 is a formation we play well When? We played the majority of last season using a 4-4-2 so why change it when promoted? It is not just you by any means but I don't understand the clamour for 5-3-2. Can you name the last team that achieved anything playing that way? By my reckoning nobody of any note has used it since the 90's. possibly because it suits and accommodates the better players we have?
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Leaditter J.Clarke Lockyer Parkes Brown
Lines Mansell Sinclair
and a front two of the options we have looks pretty decent to me and we can always switch to 4-4-2 when necessary.
Gos and Ollie give options/back-up in the middle 3 which accommodates arguably are 3 best midfielders without leaving one out or playing them out of position, we have options upfront. We have McChrystal for cover at the backl and can easily go 4 if we have injuries there
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Post by toteend on Aug 12, 2015 9:00:36 GMT
I was agreeing with Greg Stevens, until I got to the bit about Gosling, then I started laughing. The guy is hopeless
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Post by bs14gas on Aug 12, 2015 9:02:18 GMT
I can't think of any top club in world football that plays 442 as the default formation?
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Post by Richard on Aug 12, 2015 9:12:57 GMT
When? We played the majority of last season using a 4-4-2 so why change it when promoted? It is not just you by any means but I don't understand the clamour for 5-3-2. Can you name the last team that achieved anything playing that way? By my reckoning nobody of any note has used it since the 90's. possibly because it suits and accommodates the better players we have?
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Leaditter J.Clarke Lockyer Parkes Brown
Lines Mansell Sinclair
and a front two of the options we have looks pretty decent to me and we can always switch to 4-4-2 when necessary.
Gos and Ollie give options/back-up in the middle 3 which accommodates arguably are 3 best midfielders without leaving one out or playing them out of position, we have options upfront. We have McChrystal for cover at the backl and can easily go 4 if we have injuries there
All that tells me really is that we've badly failed to bring in any wide players. I think at this level 4-4-2 is a formation that all players are used to and comfortable with. Maybe i'm just still scarred from Paul Trollope trying to introduce ideas from a modern European coaching manual on a group of players that clearly weren't adaptable enough to deal with it. |
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Post by Richard on Aug 12, 2015 9:16:38 GMT
I can't think of any top club in world football that plays 442 as the default formation? Similar amount to those that play 3-5-2 then? It's fairly clear that the consensus among top clubs is some sort of 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 hybrid but in our wisdom we completely lack the key players to make that workable. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 12, 2015 9:49:15 GMT
I can't think of any top club in world football that plays 442 as the default formation? Similar amount to those that play 3-5-2 then? It's fairly clear that the consensus among top clubs is some sort of 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 hybrid but in our wisdom we completely lack the key players to make that workable. thing is why did the 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-2-3-1 variations come about. probably to accommodate and counter the opposition playing a 'conventional' formation for the time.
why did 2-3-5, become 4-4-2?
Now so many clubs play a certain way, someone will come along and try something different.
at our level yes 4-4-2 is easy to understand, but can also say to me, we won't bother trying to do anything different. just get the players working in a role they should know if they have barely kicked a football in their life
We could have signed two s**t hot wingers. then you have to leave out one of Lines/Mansell/Sinclair.
playing 4 at the back means either playing Lockyer out of position or dropping him or Clarke or Parkes or MyChrystal
yeah not everyone can play, but make use of what you do have in the best way possible. To me it suits what we have and there is no reason it shouldn't work.
4-4-2 is ok, a back to basics formation, doesn't always make it the best option
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 12, 2015 10:01:31 GMT
I can't think of any top club in world football that plays 442 as the default formation? Similar amount to those that play 3-5-2 then? It's fairly clear that the consensus among top clubs is some sort of 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 hybrid but in our wisdom we completely lack the key players to make that workable. 4-3-3 is hard to play at our level unless you have an exceptional team (and exceptional budget), because you can't just bang it forward to a lone striker, too easy to defend.
It works higher up the levels because teams can either work it forward, giving the wingers time to catch up; have wingers who can get up and down faster; and have defenders who can play the ball forward with more accuracy than at our level.
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Aug 12, 2015 10:41:48 GMT
Easter missed the first two or maybe three pre-season matches? He's a couple of weeks behind everyone else IMO, we have to remember last night he was up against good opposition. So was everyone else, but they all contributed more than Easter. A lot more. I hope I`m wrong, but Easter`s problem looks more serious than just a lack of fitness. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 10:46:49 GMT
Easter missed the first two or maybe three pre-season matches? He's a couple of weeks behind everyone else IMO, we have to remember last night he was up against good opposition. So was everyone else, but they all contributed more than Easter. A lot more. I hope I`m wrong, but Easter`s problem looks more serious than just a lack of fitness. Something at home maybe? Maybe he has an issue with a neighbours overgrown Clematis spewing over his garden fence? Maybe they Barbecue when Jermaine has just put out his washing so then it all stinks of bloody smoke.
When will the madness end? I think we should protest his neighbour.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 12, 2015 11:58:27 GMT
Easter missed the first two or maybe three pre-season matches? He's a couple of weeks behind everyone else IMO, we have to remember last night he was up against good opposition. So was everyone else, but they all contributed more than Easter. A lot more. I hope I`m wrong, but Easter`s problem looks more serious than just a lack of fitness. Probably is biggest problem, apart from his fitness, is that he's never played Div 2 football before, I hope he just needs time to adjust as I sense he's on good money if DC's starting him in every match. Assuming Bliss is well out of favour/possibly leaving I'd start with Harrison & Taylor, unless the latter is going to continue missing sitters. |
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Post by bs14gas on Aug 12, 2015 14:25:12 GMT
I can't think of a top club that plays 442, but should add that I don't really care what formation we play, as long as we get results.
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Post by strung out on Aug 12, 2015 14:38:55 GMT
I can't think of a top club that plays 442, but should add that I don't really care what formation we play, as long as we get results. Manchester City and Athletico Madrid both play (or played until very recently anyway) in a 4-4-2 formation |
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